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What would you give up for Revis?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by ivo610, Jan 23, 2013.

  1. HardRightEdge

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    I'm clearly not stumping for Revis, but to be fair the reason he doesn't make a lot of big plays is that teams don't throw at him. In the 2011 season, for example, his target count was astoundingly low...something like 30. It's the same reason Asomugha's pick counts were so low when he played almost exclusively man D in Oakland.
     
  2. ivo610

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    You made the blanket statement, not me. I just proved its not something you can say with certainty :)
     
  3. Oshkoshpackfan

    Oshkoshpackfan YUT !!!

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    In order to recover from such an injury the way adrian peterson did and have the level of success that he did in such close time proximity to the injury is amazing. Not many can recover fully and quickly from such a thing. A lot of the time that is either a career ender, or the start of a career decline. The work ethic of AP and his youth and his freakish physical condition helped him out. Revis strikes me as someone not of the same caliber, so I am willing to bet he wont be the same type of shut down guy he was.
     
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  4. adambr2

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    Sure, let's go the Philly Eagles route, that seems to be the blueprint for success these days. Asomugha has been a godsend for them.

    I wouldn't want anything to do with Revis. Our corners are fine. Those who think Tramon played like a UDFA this year are forgetting some good games against premiere WR's, Marshall, Johnson, etc. He can't tackle worth a damn, the coverage is not the problem.

    Shields, Hayward, and House all have tremendous upside and Shields is already a good starting corner.

    Improve that interior pass rush and tackling and the coverage (which was #11 in the NFL, not the problem) will look a lot better.
     
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  5. El Guapo

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    Good points adambr2.

    The article below also provides some good analysis of the Revis conversation: (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-Revis-roller-coaster-continues.html)
     
  6. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    Just give it up. It's not worth it, and it's not happening. Let somebody else pay for a clown from the Jests Circus.
     
  7. Oshkoshpackfan

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    ^ that is absolutely amazing......a 1 million $$ bonus for reporting to training camp. lol Gimmie a fu*king break. That right there says a lot about who he is and who the organization thinks he is......No thanks, the guy is a Grade A, first class TOOL.
     
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  8. ivo610

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    Its just a way to spread out money in the contract as far as bonuses and total money goes. Dont take it personally. Its actually not uncommon.
     
  9. ivo610

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    Im sick of Megatron getting 160 yards and calling it a success for Tramon Williams.

    As far as your comparison to Nnamdi, you couldnt be more off. Nnamdi never played zone and couldnt handle it. Revis has played and does play both. With success. Think Champ Bailey trade.

    Revis is one of the best corners of all time. Deion like in coverage.

    Is Ted going to trade for him? 95% chance No.
     
  10. HyponGrey

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    Think Torrey Smith abused Bailey.
     
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  11. ivo610

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    For your sake I hope that was a joke. That your argument of the bailey trade is that he got beat in a playoff game once. You ignore the 5 all pro years he has had in Denver because of one game? SMH.
     
  12. HyponGrey

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    No fear, it was.
     
  13. cupacker

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    Well he does have a 100 yd INT return on his resume... and i would say he doesn't get as many picks as others because the ball doesn't come his way very often. And how well did all those INTs work out for us in 2011?
     
  14. cupacker

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    I'm really confused as to why they think Tramon had a bad year, I was apparently not watching the same games. Coverage was MUCH improved over last year overall, but Tramon was better too.

    As for your question... Idk what I would give up but I would love to have Revis. I'm not fond of giving up 1st round picks for anyone (other than a great QB maybe), so I would say... Finley and someone else.
     
  15. cupacker

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    Maybe I should remind everyone that Charles Woodson was considered a headache, had missed the majority of the 2005 season with the Raider, and didn't even want to come to Green Bay...
     
  16. cupacker

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    Lol yeah, I'm sure TT would love to spend that kind of money on someone sitting on the bench... I don't think he's as bad as y'all think, he's no Randy Moss and plenty of people were begging to have him...
     
  17. adambr2

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    Fine. How about 2 catches for Marshall in the first game?

    And you completely missed the point on Nnamdi. It's not his zone coverage abilities vs. Revis. It's the point that going the FA route like that, for an extremely high priced one and potentially tying up 1/6th of your payroll in that shutdown corner, is not going to pay off in the long run, especially when you open up a lot of holes elsewhere.

    We can barely afford to keep most of the guys we have. There are extensions needed for Rodgers and Matthews. We are not acquiring an extremely pricey veteran such as Revis, and giving up a high draft pick to do it to boot.

    And cornerback is not even a position of need. If we're going to go back to the Mike Sherman GM aftermath days of salary cap hell, I'd at least like to do it for an impact player at a position we sorely need.
     
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  18. Forderick

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    with the way the defence has played the last 2 years, any help would be good even at a position we don't really need. Just because we have a lot of guys with potential doesn't mean you shouldn't pass on a guy like revis, at a decent price that is. I think a first rounder would be worth a look but if they could get him for a 2nd I think you take that chance even if it doesn't work out because the upside is too good to pass up.
     
  19. ivo610

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    1. Revis isn't a FA.
    2. Nnamdi didn't work for the eagles bc he cost too much.
    3. Yes tramon had 1 good game against marshal.
    4. Shouldn't tie up money in a shut down corner? Where is the rest of the division tying up their money? Oh in high prices WRs
     
  20. adambr2

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    I wasn't implying that Revis was a FA, it's the same point, we take on a huge contract for a player that wasn't developed from within our system, and it's actually worse than a FA because we have to give something up.

    No we shouldn't tie up money in a shut down corner. We should develop our own that we can actually afford. Acquiring Revis is completely against our approach and philosophy. There is not a 5% chance of this happening, there is a Lloyd Christmas and Mary Swanson chance of this happening.

    And again....for those who want Revis so badly, please, I've yet to hear an explanation of how we are going to pay him. Just him being worth a 1st or 2nd rounder isn't enough, we still have to actually PAY HIM. Rodgers and Matthews are pretty much due extensions THIS offseason. We build through the draft, we aren't even going to be able to afford to keep Jennings. Shields is an RFA, and Jones, Nelson, and Cobb all have 2 years or less on their deals. Where is this magical pile of salary cap space/money to pay Revis coming from?
     
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  21. ivo610

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    You know who else was against our philosophy? Charles Woodson and Reggie White. Im not saying make a habit of it but when a top 10 player is available you gotta take a close look at it.

    Fair point on how to pay him. You are talking an extension for a player who will command big money. solution? Give Rodgers a 10 yr contract and Matthews a 7 yr contract. Space out the bonus that way and lower the overall cap hit from those two players. I personally feel confident in investing in our long term future with each of those players. Thats not something I would do with any other player on the roster.
     
  22. Stevie DK

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    The Jets is expecting a 1st and 2nd rounder, wouldn't even think of giving that up, rather select a CB in round 1 (Xavier Rhodes could be there), and for the 2nd round pick a ILB or D-line man.

    And try to go after Jarius Byrd, maybe the best safety in the league, he's a FA and wants to leave the Bills.
    Byrd may not come cheap, but he probably won't demand the kind of money Revis does, and when Revis hit's the FA market in 2014, there won't be any GB discount.
    I personally wouldn't take a risk on a player, (even tho he may be the best at he's position) coming of that kind of injury and one year left on he's contract, so many factors are speaking against it.
     
  23. AmishMafia

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    Disagree on White and Woodson comparison. They were both considered elite players AND high character. Makes a huge difference.

    I go by this statement: In iteself, the signing Revis will effectively decrease the ranking of the Packer defense.
     
  24. ivo610

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    Woodson was high character? Are we talking about the same player?

    You know Woodson and McCarthy didnt get along very well early on and Woodson was one of the most team fined players on the team right?

    I won't mention his Oakland days. But he has grown and matured during his time in GB. But to say he was high character is just not accurate
     
  25. adambr2

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    Another point is that shutting down a team's #1 WR is worthless if you don't take care of the other ways they can beat you and address those needs first. So we can shut down Marshall and Johnson, thats great. How does that help us when we face the 49ers again in the playoffs? Big picture, it doesn't. Matching up well against the teams in your division is one thing, getting to the Super Bowl is another.

    Neither the 49ers or the Ravens are in the Super Bowl because of their #1 wide receiver and Revis wouldn't have made an ounce of difference for us 2 weeks ago against the 49ers.
     
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