Woodson was high character? Are we talking about the same player?
You know Woodson and McCarthy didnt get along very well early on and Woodson was one of the most team fined players on the team right?
I won't mention his Oakland days. But he has grown and matured during his time in GB. But to say he was high character is just not accurate
We also had "interest" in Tebow Lynch and Moss. This will end the same way.
IMO: The odds of Thompson signing a big name UFA are slim. The odds of his giving up a first rounder, let alone more than a first round pick, for a big name player is slimmer. Finally the odds of his doing so for a big name player coming off an injury and requiring a blockbuster extension are microscopic.
(I think it was) HardRightEdge made what I think is the most salient point early on this thread. If he’s healthy of course Revis would upgrade the CB position but that’s not the weakest part of the D, so why incur an extraordinary cost to upgrade a position of relative strength? If Thompson is going to venture into UFA I hope it would be for a pass rusher or a safety. I’m higher on Perry’s potential than some here but even so the need for another effective pass rusher is obvious. If Thompson veers away from his MO by acquiring a veteran pass rusher that would mean more to the D than Revis IMO. The need for a safety may not be as apparent but it’s a close second IMO. Burnett was fine last season. McGinn gave him a B- and noted he was one of two players in the league on D that played every snap from scrimmage. But he has not been the consistent playmaking safety many of us were hoping for. Perhaps it’s because he hasn’t had a dependable partner at the other safety spot. If the Packers could acquire that player not only would that instantly improve the D from that spot but Burnett’s value would also increase: As McGinn notes he was the top blitzer among DBs with one pressure every 4.3 snaps. Another dependable safety would free up Capers to send Burnett more.
BTW, as I remember it one of the reasons only two teams seriously pursued Woodson was injury concerns. The other was his character. He was a malcontent in Oakland and actually went nose-to-nose with McCarthy shortly after arriving in Green Bay until they came to an understanding. Woodson became the leader he is in Green Bay.
Yes he did but 1) he didn’t give up a single precious draft choice to do so and 2) he did not get involved in a bidding war: When he acquired Woodson only the Buccaneers and Packers were interested and the Bucs wanted him as a safety. Only the Packers were willing to sign him as a CB.So Ted has taken a chance on a talented corner with injury concerns and character concerns before.
Correct, plus Thompson had cleared out a ton of cap space in the previous year, and he had money to spend. Remember, Teddy first tried to purchase Lavar Arrington for about $50 million, but the ****** only used us to get more from the NFC East team..... he never had any intention of coming to Green Bay.Yes he did but 1) he didn’t give up a single precious draft choice to do so and 2) he did not get involved in a bidding war: When he acquired Woodson only the Buccaneers and Packers were interested and the Bucs wanted him as a safety. Only the Packers were willing to sign him as a CB.
IMO: The odds of Thompson signing a big name UFA are slim. The odds of his giving up a first rounder, let alone more than a first round pick, for a big name player is slimmer. Finally the odds of his doing so for a big name player coming off an injury and requiring a blockbuster extension are microscopic.
(I think it was) HardRightEdge made what I think is the most salient point early on this thread. If he’s healthy of course Revis would upgrade the CB position but that’s not the weakest part of the D, so why incur an extraordinary cost to upgrade a position of relative strength? If Thompson is going to venture into UFA I hope it would be for a pass rusher or a safety. I’m higher on Perry’s potential than some here but even so the need for another effective pass rusher is obvious. If Thompson veers away from his MO by acquiring a veteran pass rusher that would mean more to the D than Revis IMO. The need for a safety may not be as apparent but it’s a close second IMO. Burnett was fine last season. McGinn gave him a B- and noted he was one of two players in the league on D that played every snap from scrimmage. But he has not been the consistent playmaking safety many of us were hoping for. Perhaps it’s because he hasn’t had a dependable partner at the other safety spot. If the Packers could acquire that player not only would that instantly improve the D from that spot but Burnett’s value would also increase: As McGinn notes he was the top blitzer among DBs with one pressure every 4.3 snaps. Another dependable safety would free up Capers to send Burnett more.
BTW, as I remember it one of the reasons only two teams seriously pursued Woodson was injury concerns. The other was his character. He was a malcontent in Oakland and actually went nose-to-nose with McCarthy shortly after arriving in Green Bay until they came to an understanding. Woodson became the leader he is in Green Bay.
Woodson was a gift on a silver platter to us because nobody else thought he had it left, he'd been injured a lot.
Other gifts on silver platters offered to us: Barry Sanders, Randy Moss, Aaron Rodgers.
Yes, it was me who commented on the relative strength of the CB position.
I would add a few notes regarding the safety position. One of the weaknesses of this defense going back to last season is a lack of physical presence in the middle of the field, made more acute with Bishop's injury. The young #2 safeties are typical of several positions on this team...they have some strengths but are not well rounded, 3 down players. Jennings seems reasonably decent in coverage, but is not particularly effective in run support and is hardly a physical presence. McMillan is more physical and decent in run support, but often looks clueless in zone coverage.
Then we have the Woodson conundrum. Even if we set aside the money issue, I don't see him as a good compliment to Burnett. And with gambling in his nature coupled with eroded physical skills, he may have crossed the fine lie from "playmaker" to "undisciplined" which, after all, are differentiated by the proof in the putting. Gambling and winning is energizing; gambling and losing more often than you win hurts unit cohesion. With Hayward emerging as a very good nickel corner, I'm having a hard time seeing Woodson's place in 2013. I had hoped his presence at safety at least for this season's playoffs would provide some energizing leadership, but all we got was undisciplined confusion, regardless of Caper's culpability. A renegotiation would help solve some unrelated issues, but wouldn't do anything for defensive improvement.
A solid 3 down safety who is assignment-sure and can lay some wood from time to time would be a valuable addition.
The problem with Revis, besides the injury, is that he'll want $14M - $16M/year. I can understand why the Jets want to trade him. A team with no quarterback or playmakers has no room for a $16M/year cornerback. I would love to have the guy, but it's not feasible. If the Jets would like Charles Woodson and Tramon Williams, the cap room might add up.
Correct, plus Thompson had cleared out a ton of cap space in the previous year, and he had money to spend.
I have no argument with your post. I just want to add that it seems to me we have a # of needs. That safety you mentioned. An inside LB to compliment Bishop. Hawk just isn't athletic enough at this point though he had a decent year. But he isn't the answer.
Then on the DL we have Worthy coming off an acl and may see little of him. Even what we saw didn't excite me. So we then fall back to CJ who is good against the run, and Neal who is really too small too be an every down player. As McGinn said he's a small man in a big man's game. Pickett is getting long in the tooth. We really need some big bodies there.
Then there's the outside LB. Is Perry the answer there? All I saw out of him was a bull rush. He didn't demonstrate to me he could play without his hand down. And that's just defense.
Over on the offensive side we have question marks with Bulaga and Newhouse. I like what I saw out of Barclay but I remain dubious that we have a left tackle on the squad. Lang is decent but a better player sure would help. I think EDS is a backup at center.
All those positions are question marks in my opinion, and improvement at any of them would be a valuable addition.
I believe the amount of money that it's going to take to lock up Matthews, Rodgers, and perhaps Raji is going to take the bulk of those dollars.Which brings to mind the following idea: if Jennings, Woodson AND Finley are gone, and you throw in Saturday (who is retiring) and Driver (who will retire), that's about $28 mil lopped off this season's salary cap...that would indicate TT is teeing up for a major free agent signing, probably for a defensive playmaker/leader to fill Woodson's role (or Collins' role if you prefer), Rodgers/Matthews future contracts notwithstanding.
I have a very hard time seeing Revis as that guy for the previously stated reasons.
We'll just have to get further along toward the start of the league year in March when roster bonuses come due and free agency signings can begin...which all happens on March 12 if I'm not mistaken. Finley has a roster bonus of $3.5 mil; Woodson's is $2.5 mil. We'll know by March 12 if the intent is keep them as is (though that's hard to envision for both), renegotiate them or release them.
I believe the amount of money that it's going to take to lock up Matthews, Rodgers, and perhaps Raji is going to take the bulk of those dollars.
Don't forget, if losing Jennings and Driver aren't change enough, Sam I Am Shields is due for a nice raise as well.
I'd like to trim some $ by releasing Crosby for a better, younger, cheaper kicker.
The Vikings got Blair Walsh with pick 175 last year. A 5th round kicker is a lot cheaper than what we are paying Crosby.
He's getting paid enough that he should be closer to a Pro Bowl kicker, not the stiff that he is.
If he expects that then lot's of luck for a guy coming off an acl.