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The Case for Paying Aaron Jones

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by Dantés, Mar 25, 2020.

Should the Packers Extend Jones (assumes he would accept contract comparable to the one mentioned)

Poll closed Apr 24, 2020.
  1. Yes

    73.7%
  2. No

    26.3%
  1. Heyjoe4

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    Thanks for the analysis and yeah, at $7 mil/year on a 4 year deal with a year 2 out, that would be a good deal. He is an underrated receiver, and as you point out, he can go deep and produce. That’s rare, and the Pack needs all the receiving help it can get.
     
  2. Heyjoe4

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    HRE, just to clarify - are you saying GB can’t keep Jones, Clark, AND Bak next year? The tough one to figure out is Bak. He’s 30 or will be soon, has chronic back problems, and is also one of the best LTs in the NFL. He’s gonna get a 3 year deal. The question is where.
     
  3. Pkrjones

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    Bakhtiari has been a steal at $12Mil/yr. The 10th highest paid LT right now is averaging $13Mil/yr. so Bak is due a raise on his next contract. We aren't going to find a better pass blocker on the left side but I also don't think GB can/will pay Bak what he is due... but this draft needs to hit on his eventual replacement.

    To stay on topic I also don't think GB will pony-up $7+Mil/yr. on Aaron Jones. He's good/great but RB's just aren't worth that 2nd contract $$, IMHO.
     
  4. HardRightEdge

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    Extensions now for all three are out of the question, and I don't believe all three can be signed after the season for next year unless there's going to be a big bump in the cap. Knowing what we know now I'd have to say all three will not be on the roster next year.

    It's easy to concoct scenarios where there is bountiful cap next season. But if you look at this year and where it's gone, without securing an impact player, it does have a habit of getting spent piece by piece as things move along. A killer draft and some other guys progressing, like Gary who amounts to another 1st. round pick this year given how little he played last year, there's a better chance of signing these vets, if they are the first choices at the end of the season, without doing any other spending in free agency.

    Since you mention it, I think I'll hop over to the 2020 Salary Cap thread in the near future to show where cap this offseason's cap has has been spent.
     
  5. Passepartout

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    Yeah as they are going to either cut one player to keep two as Aaron Jones seems to be Aaron Rodgers go to guy there now that Jordy Nelson retired.
     
  6. Heyjoe4

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    Wow, thanks. Based on that, Bak should be in the $15 mil to $16 mil/year range, Clark’s gotta be worth around $16 mil per, and if Jones is extended at a “reasonable” $7mil/year....... Well, that adds up to a lot just to keep our own. And even with his back problems, GB would be nuts to let Bak walk. And yes, his replacement, as well as help at RT, needs to be addressed (if possible) in the draft. No wonder Gluten has been so careful in FA.
     
  7. Sunshinepacker

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    Sorry, how about I just say that he's not worth $20m+ per year?
     
  8. Heyjoe4

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    That begs the question - if they can’t keep all three, who do they keep? Well, maybe we should defer that discussion once we know we’ll actually have a season this year. Thanks.
     
  9. Dantés

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    Ok, what about 17M?
     
  10. Heyjoe4

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    That’s close. $16 mil is what I was thinking. But what’s $1 mil between friends?

    The bigger issue is how do they keep Clark, Bak, AND Aaron Jones? They probably have to let one of those guys walk. That’s what they pay Gluten to figure out. And we need to see if there will even be an NFL season this year, so table that discussion.
     
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    no. Clark is not that good. Let some other overpay for him in FA. We shouldn't overpay for a mediocre player simply because we have no replacement for him currently on the roster. Draft a DL in the first this year. Let Clark go. Resign AJ and DB.
     
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    Who is landed in the draft would be a factor. What if Gutekunst has his eye on an OT in the first round with the idea he'll let Bakhtiari play out his contract, but then that guy is off the board?

    I'm not sure Gutekunst could answer that question right now.
     
  13. Heyjoe4

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    I don’t think that Clark is a mediocre player. Talent is somewhat subjective, but at 24, he seems to be doing an outstanding job, and his improvement from year to year has been steady. I certainly welcome other opinions.

    My opinion - Clark is the anchor on a mediocre DL. I’d be OK with a $16 mil/salary. The bigger issue is getting him help. Not everyone needs to be at that level, but we certainly need more talent than is on this roster. I’m guessing Gluten will look for cap casualties for immediate help, and then look for depth in the draft.

    It would also help if Gary could live up to his 1st round selection. I don’t see him as ONLY an edge rusher. He could be deployed along the DL, or coached to do so. That would certainly help. The guy is a gifted athlete.

    Your suggestion of drafting a DL in the 1st round is interesting, and maybe it plays out that way. My guess is that the 1st round pick will be a WR or OT.
     
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    Good point. There’s such a need at WR, it’s hard for me to see them taking anyone buy a WR. Then again, if the line can’t keep Rodgers upright, all the great WRs in the world won’t matter. And Bak is a unique talent. I expect he’ll pluck a RB somewhere in the 3rd or 4th round. That might make it easier to let Jones go. And then there are cap casualties. At any rate, I wouldn’t be disappointed if a guy like Wirffs dropped to 30 and we took him, and then maybe trade up in rd 2 for a WR. Too many needs, too few options. Same as it ever was....
     
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    with another good season jones is going to get $10m+ (probably $12+). that's too much. the rebuild needs to get started after this 2020 season. trade him now and start accumulating draft picks. draft another back. jmo.
     
  16. Heyjoe4

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    Couldn’t agree more. And with Zeke getting $15 mil, it’s not out of line to think Jones’ market value jumps to $10 mil plus.

    As you point out, that’s too much for a RB. To me, it’s analogous to BB teams overpaying pitchers. The position just invites injury. Draft another RB this year in round 2 or 3. I’m underwhelmed with the FAs available.
     
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    yup. cowboys wrecked the market for RB's. totally stupid. now they're about to compound an already wrecked market for QB's by paying close to $40m for dak. insane. no SB's for them for the foreseeable (which is perfectly fine with me) lol.
     
  18. Dantés

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    The idea that we would be better off not paying Clark because you could use that money better elsewhere strikes me as merely misguided.

    But this-- that he is a "mediocre player"-- reveals a level of ignorance on Clark that is pretty astonishing.
     
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    You do it by being very limited in your FA acquisitions, getting out of some current contracts, and not resigning anyone else (e.g. Kevin King).
     
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    Agreed on Kevin King. I’ll give him another year, but with injuries and inconsistent play, well I don’t see him as a long-term member of the Pack.
     
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    That’s $55 mil/year for two players. That is NOT a formula for getting to the SB. Zeke is way overpaid, and I’m a little surprised Jerry caved on his demands. Then again, who cares? It’s the Cowboys.
     
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    Yeah calling Clark a “mediocre” player set me back as well. GB is fortunate to have him given all the other problems, specifically run stopping, on that DL.
     
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    If King has a fantastic year, I would still feel like signing him to a lucrative extension is entering a minefield. He's managed 30 games in three seasons and his play has been uneven throughout. So if 2020 is a stupid healthy, consistent season, then is will be the outlier. And when you pay for the outlier, you regret it most of the time.
     
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    I mean, the list of interior defensive linemen that are clearly better than him right now isn't very long.

    Aaron Donald is an obvious one.
    Deforest Buckner is for sure as well.
    Chris Jones is a 3rd one.
    He's probably passing Fletcher Cox this year, but I wouldn't quibble if someone put him above Clark.
    I would essentially say the same thing about Cam Heyward.
    Grady Jarrett is one you could make a case for.

    That's really about it. And two of those guys are entering age 30+ seasons, while Clark is 24.

    "Mediocre"... lol.
     
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    I'd love to hear the case for the claim Clark is a mediocre player. Appreciate it when you get a chance.
     

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