Packers vs Browns Studs n Duds

[DoURant]

For as good as Parsons is, he needs to get his offsides plays in order. I saw he had 2 more today, that is at least 3, maybe 4, in the first 3 games.

 

[RockyRaccoon]

For as good as Parsons is, he needs to get his offsides plays in order. I saw he had 2 more today, that is at least 3, maybe 4, in the first 3 games.

One was an attempt to jump the count. I don't mind one or two of those a game (although this was in a critical spot). The other, he was lined up in the neutral zone. That's an unacceptable mental error.

 

[tynimiller]

FTR having rewatched some already, the thing with Morgan is I just don’t see the fluid pass protector he is whenever he is on the right side…I think he is proving he is a left side only type guy.

This isn’t unheard of at all in the league but dangit that sucks

 

[rmontro]

It's nice that we beat two playoff teams in the first two weeks, and looked like a Super Bowl team doing it.
But here's a little nugget: Jordan love career record on the road is 8-14.

 

[OldSchool101]

It's nice that we beat two playoff teams in the first two weeks, and looked like a Super Bowl team doing it.
But here's a little nugget: Jordan love career record on the road is 8-14.

I just counted. He has not played started 22 games thus far. He’s played He’s 9-11 on the Road including postseason since taking over as a starter in 2023. I counted KC in 2021 also

 

[rmontro]

I just counted. He’s 9-10 on the Road including postseason since taking over as a starter in 2023. If you want to go back and count KC in 2021 he’s 9-11.

According to this site, he's 8-15 including today's game. But he's been 8-9 since becoming starter in '23, and that leaves him at 9-10 including the playoffs, as you said.

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/jordan-love-career-win-loss-record-on-the-road

 

[Magooch]

Studs:
Gary had a great game

Quay continues to look much improved

Overall, the defense was excellent

I was pleased to see Golden start to get more involved, and again in limited involvement I liked what I saw from Savion

Duds:
OL was getting dominated all day long and it didn’t seem to really matter who played where or who they lined up against. 6 different browns defenders had a sack or partial sack

Love had one of those games where mentally he was just WAY off imo. The numbers weren’t bad but he was not having a good day in my view. A few boneheaded decisions (his pick, or I believe it was right at the end of 3Q taking the most bewildering snap) and generally seemed locked in pre-snap on one read a lot of plays.

Finally, I said it a few weeks ago that I think that MLF has a bit of a reputation as a “soft” coach who isn’t prepared to get punched in the mouth and doesn’t know how to get his team to respond when that happens. We often seem to be kind of like “front runners” - if we can jump out early we do fine. Get into a slug fest and we often fold. Credit for the first two games but on the whole he hasn’t done much to dispel that reputation imo. We’re going into our 7th year with him and still asking when (if?) he’s ever going to be able to get his team playing disciplined and focused football in tough games…

 

[Magooch]

Love had one of those games where mentally he was just WAY off imo. The numbers weren’t bad but he was not having a good day in my view. A few boneheaded decisions (his pick, or I believe it was right at the end of 3Q taking the most bewildering snap) and generally seemed locked in pre-snap on one read a lot of plays.

To expand on this somewhat.. overall I’m still keen on Love, but he has to be better in these type of games. Yes the browns have a good defense but look at just last week: they completely shut down the ravens rushing attack and Lamar lit them up for 225 yards, 4TD and no INT.

Maybe it is down to play calling to some degree, maybe it is not fair to expect Love to put up the type of performance like a MVP in Lamar, but that is the kind of salary we are giving him, so…

 

[rmontro]

OL was getting dominated all day long and it didn’t seem to really matter who played where or who they lined up against. 6 different browns defenders had a sack or partial sack

Not counting tonight's game, which is currently at halftime: Every team in the NFL outscored us today, except the Bengals, who also had 10 points (against Minnesota's 48).

 

[milani]

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Duds:

Love: dumb INT, took too many sacks, overthrew receivers. Let's hope he got it all out of his system.

O-line. Patchwork, I understand, but it was pretty ugly.

MLF: game plan not well thought out. Several questionable play calls. Not having the team ready to play in a hostile environment.

Penalties: over and over, the Packers shot themselves in the foot.

The Refs: some questionable calls (Nixon interference?) and a bunch of missed calls. I still see Parsons being held on nearly every down and it simply doesn't get called.

Studs:

The defense. Apart from a couple of big running plays at the end the Browns were held in check. Would have been better to notch a few more sacks.

I really hope this was a one-off. That was some ugly football.

Love failing to let the 3rd quarter clock run out. Big mental error. Had to use timeouts because of play clock earlier. Love sliding to early creating a 3rd and 1 instead of 1st and 10. 3 kickoffs, 3 holding penalties in returns.

For as good as Parsons is, he needs to get his offsides plays in order. I saw he had 2 more today, that is at least 3, maybe 4, in the first 3 games.

This is when a coach has to do more than just give a guy a look. You need a What the hell is going on around here. I liked how Andy Reid got mad at Kelce tonight and got in his face.

 

[milani]

To expand on this somewhat.. overall I’m still keen on Love, but he has to be better in these type of games. Yes the browns have a good defense but look at just last week: they completely shut down the ravens rushing attack and Lamar lit them up for 225 yards, 4TD and no INT.

Maybe it is down to play calling to some degree, maybe it is not fair to expect Love to put up the type of performance like a MVP in Lamar, but that is the kind of salary we are giving him, so…

3rd year we should expect more. More awareness of what is going on in front of him. Get on the same page with your receivers instead of " Everybody Out. "

 

[milani]

Studs:
Gary had a great game

Quay continues to look much improved

Overall, the defense was excellent

I was pleased to see Golden start to get more involved, and again in limited involvement I liked what I saw from Savion

Duds:
OL was getting dominated all day long and it didn’t seem to really matter who played where or who they lined up against. 6 different browns defenders had a sack or partial sack

Love had one of those games where mentally he was just WAY off imo. The numbers weren’t bad but he was not having a good day in my view. A few boneheaded decisions (his pick, or I believe it was right at the end of 3Q taking the most bewildering snap) and generally seemed locked in pre-snap on one read a lot of plays.

Finally, I said it a few weeks ago that I think that MLF has a bit of a reputation as a “soft” coach who isn’t prepared to get punched in the mouth and doesn’t know how to get his team to respond when that happens. We often seem to be kind of like “front runners” - if we can jump out early we do fine. Get into a slug fest and we often fold. Credit for the first two games but on the whole he hasn’t done much to dispel that reputation imo. We’re going into our 7th year with him and still asking when (if?) he’s ever going to be able to get his team playing disciplined and focused football in tough games…

I thought Golden could have got more out of that long reception. Jordy would catch those and tiptoe to regain his balance and stay in bounds. With Golden's speed he could have added a few miles to the play.

 

[gopkrs]

I thought Golden could have got more out of that long reception. Jordy would catch those and tiptoe to regain his balance and stay in bounds. With Golden's speed he could have added a few miles to the play.

I thought it was the throw that forced him towards the sideline

 

[RockyRaccoon]

I thought it was the throw that forced him towards the sideline

It did. But he had plenty of room to turn up field. He stumbled a bit.

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[gopkrs]

Where we running too much 12 personnel today? It wasn't working for the blocking and maybe another receiver out their could get someone open

 

[gopkrs]

It did. But he had plenty of room to turn up field. He stumbled a bit.

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It was close. Maybe he could have tried to turn it up. But I guess he was concentrating on the catch. At the time, I thought that play won the game. And you should have shown the route 5 steps sooner.

 

[RockyRaccoon]

And you should have shown the route 5 steps sooner.

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Here's the full play. It was a 2 deep look with the safeties shading the strong side. Looks like Jordan looked off the safety and dropped one just off the outside shoulder. Wasn't the most perfect pass ever, but that looked like a pretty good toss to my eyes...

 

[gopkrs]

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Here's the full play. It was a 2 deep look with the safeties shading the strong side. Looks like Jordan looked off the safety and dropped one just off the outside shoulder. Wasn't the most perfect pass ever, but that looked like a pretty good toss to my eyes...

It was a good toss. But it lead Golden towards the sideline to make the catch. Imo

 

[RockyRaccoon]

It was a good toss. But it lead Golden towards the sideline to make the catch. Imo

It did. I think this was intended to stay away from the converging safety. Looks like it was a little too long, rather than too wide. Golden had to stretch and lost his footing a bit, and he didn't recover. I'm just happy it looks like those two are building chemistry.

 

[lambeaulambo]

Studs:

Parsons - where were the holding flags on him. Its like he is invisible.
Quay - 14 tackles he more than did his job
Golden - good to see him being used in many different ways.
Defensive unit and Gary - they did what was needed, 13 points given up and a big zero for it.

Duds:

Tucker Kraft - if he makes his block on the fg attempt this game is an ugly W and yeah I am singling him out as the entire special teams unit blew chow.

Love - the INT sealed their fate. bonehead inexplicable. Im starting to have my doubts with him. His happy feet and lack of poise are frightening.

Morgan - please continue your undisciplined play.

Matt Lafluer - this offensive game plan was totally ineffective.


Back to earth this team comes with a thud. Here comes the injury bug. This is an uber talented team that lacks discipine big time and it starts with Matt Lafluer - rinse repeat with the special teams garbage and presnap boneheaded penalties. Its his achilles heel. No more excuses Lafluer you now have a championship D and you call this against an inferior team. These type of coaching decisions have to stop.

 

[Magooch]

Duds:

Tucker Kraft - if he makes his block on the fg attempt this game is an ugly W and yeah I am singling him out as the entire special teams unit blew chow.

Morgan - please continue your undisciplined play.

Kraft did miss his assignment (or just got beat, really), and it looked like his guy got the block on the FG, but I'm pretty sure the ball got under him untouched - I'd have to go back and watch to be sure but I think it was Morgan's man who actually got a hand on the ball

 

[RockyRaccoon]

Kraft did miss his assignment (or just got beat, really), and it looked like his guy got the block on the FG, but I'm pretty sure the ball got under him untouched - I'd have to go back and watch to be sure but I think it was Morgan's man who actually got a hand on the ball

The entire left side of the protection got absolutely blasted on both FG attempts. Rock called it out the first time, and he mentioned it again right before the block.

 

[gopkrs]

Studs:

Parsons - where were the holding flags on him. Its like he is invisible.
Quay - 14 tackles he more than did his job
Golden - good to see him being used in many different ways.
Defensive unit and Gary - they did what was needed, 13 points given up and a big zero for it.

Duds:

Tucker Kraft - if he makes his block on the fg attempt this game is an ugly W and yeah I am singling him out as the entire special teams unit blew chow.

Love - the INT sealed their fate. bonehead inexplicable. Im starting to have my doubts with him. His happy feet and lack of poise are frightening.

Morgan - please continue your undisciplined play.

Matt Lafluer - this offensive game plan was totally ineffective.


Back to earth this team comes with a thud. Here comes the injury bug. This is an uber talented team that lacks discipine big time and it starts with Matt Lafluer - rinse repeat with the special teams garbage and presnap boneheaded penalties. Its his achilles heel. No more excuses Lafluer you now have a championship D and you call this against an inferior team. These type of coaching decisions have to stop.

Yes. A lot of good reasoning imo. Kraft's block was pitiful but I don't think that's the guy who blocked it. And Bissachia needs blame. And maybe you agree with me about ending these games. No more *****footing around and playing analytics with the clock.

 

[RicFlairoftheNFL]

They pissed away a shut out, a 10 point lead and the game in the final 5:30 of the game.

Didn't watch the game, was traveling, which is probably a good thing. Hopefully this game was a wakeup call. If they lose to Dallas next week, then I'll be more concerned.

An Interception and a blocked FG in the last 3 minutes of the game, are the two plays that really kept the team from winning. An incomplete pass and you punt the ball, making Cleveland need to go the length of the field and score a TD to tie, but instead they get a 4 yd drive. Then McManus, who has missed 2 total kicks since last October, has a gimme FG blocked, you couldn't draw up any more misfortune than that.

Now, from what I'm reading on this thread, as bad as the offense played (10 pts) they held the Browns scoreless until under 4 minutes left in the game. If you count the 2 plays I mentioned above as duds 1 and 2 of the game, having 14 penalties would have to be #3, you just can't continue to shoot yourself in the foot with mental errors, and expect to win.

As for Studs, I think it's funny when people say there are no studs when the defense shuts out a team for 56 minutes, and forced a FG on a 1st and goal from the 1 yd line. Just because we lost, that doesn't mean there were guys who didn't play well. Also, you can't blame tge defense for giving up a TD after the interception that gave the Browns the ball on the 4 yd line.

Now just going but the stats, as I didn't watch the game:

1. Rashan Gary, 2 sacks, now 4.5 on the season, and probably the biggest beneficiary of Parsons on the field.

2. Quay Walker, 14 tackles, no other player has more than 6.

3. I'm going to give it to an offensive guy, Matthew Golden, 4 catches on 4 targets, 52 yds. After only having 2 catches total the 1st 2 weeks, it was a must to get him involved in the offense more, and overall, it looks like he made the most of those opportunities.

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[Thirteen Below]

For as good as Parsons is, he needs to get his offsides plays in order. I saw he had 2 more today, that is at least 3, maybe 4, in the first 3 games.

I wish the refs would pay half as much attention when he is getting held as they do when he's committing the foul.