Packers vs Browns Studs n Duds

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just in case people reading this thread are thinking: "Where were you people after the last 2 games when the Packers won?" I will say this. I don't think the Packers are a bad team, despite how you may interpret what I have said. I don't think MLF is a terrible coach. What I do think is that if the Packers want to improve and the Packers want to make a serious run at a Super Bowl, they have things that they definitely need to clean up and yesterdays game highlighted some of them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

So what you are telling me....is that there isn't a chance.....we see the Cheddar push anytime soon?

While I don't think the Packers will be able to copy the Eagles Tush Push anytime soon, I do think we as a forum need to derive a clever name for it if they do.


I will throw out a few, but want to hear from others:

- Cheddar Push

- Cheese Grate

- Mozzarella Mash

- Packin' The Parmesan

- Gratin' The Gouda

- The Brat Melt

- The Smoked Gouda Shove

 

[milani]

I think I mentioned it last season or maybe it was this season, but I agree that Bisaccia needs to be on the hotseat. While I really liked him when he first came to Green Bay, the last few seasons, HIS special teams have been the opposite of "Special." They have been inconsistent, penalty ridden and rarely make a largely positive impact. It just came back to me, it was last year that I mentioned it, because I noticed him always standing next to MLF when the offense was out there. I wondered if MLF was using him for advice during the offensive play calling. Whether it was for advice on the play calls themselves, the situational aspect, the game clock, etc. it was obvious that Bisaccia was there for a reason.

MLF is wearing too many hats and Bisaccia is too.

Rich Bisaccia Looks Even Worse After Packers Specialist's Comments

The Green Bay Packers were criticized by some for the talk of going undefeated after their Week 2 victory over the Washington Commanders. While it isn't the rea

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And when you have an opponent that has a history of blocked kicks you better prepare. Someone said the first FG was nearly blocked. The PAT had no issues. There are only seconds, maybe a full minute if there is a timeout, for the ST coach to speak to the unit because they could be on the field continuing the drive. So the preparation has to be done during the week. And if there was a problem with protection on the first FG Biassacia should have watched the video. He had 2 quarters to make an adjustment and address it at halftime or on the sideline.

 

[OldSchool101]

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I understand this if it was 1 QTR and trying to settle down their D.

There is no excuse to have 1 shot in
4-quarters of football past 10 yards. Especially once we got up 2 scores.

 

[milani]

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Love was unable to take shots because of the poor pass protection. To combat that you either have to get out on the edge or go under center and use play action especially on 1st down. The long toss to Golden was a bright spot but it was in desperation since we had 3rd and long around our goal.

 

[tynimiller]

Just in case people reading this thread are thinking: "Where were you people after the last 2 games when the Packers won?" I will say this. I don't think the Packers are a bad team, despite how you may interpret what I have said. I don't think MLF is a terrible coach. What I do think is that if the Packers want to improve and the Packers want to make a serious run at a Super Bowl, they have things that they definitely need to clean up and yesterdays game highlighted some of them.

MLF is one of the best and accomplished coaches in his tenure in the NFL - Fact
MLF still has room to progress - Fact

Only a fool thinks otherwise...now some might of course disagree with how high up the best list he is...but he really is.

Our team is really good and talented - Fact
Our team still has room for progression - Fact

See above comment in bold LOL

Just incase folks run with @Poker's comments like a fool outlined above.

 

[DoURant]

The offensive line was definitely offensive yesterday.

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[milani]

MLF is one of the best and accomplished coaches in his tenure in the NFL - Fact
MLF still has room to progress - Fact

Only a fool thinks otherwise...now some might of course disagree with how high up the best list he is...but he really is.

Our team is really good and talented - Fact
Our team still has room for progression - Fact

See above comment in bold LOL

Just incase folks run with @Poker's comments like a fool outlined above.

Fact is that he inherited a team with a HOF QB that still had a little fuel left in the tank. He recreated an antiquated offense that once was very polished. But would he have had that successful of a record in years 1-4 with just an average run of the mill at QB?

 

[gopkrs]

While I don't think the Packers will be able to copy the Eagles Tush Push anytime soon, I do think we as a forum need to derive a clever name for it if they do.


I will throw out a few, but want to hear from others:

- Cheddar Push

- Cheese Grate

- Mozzarella Mash

- Packin' The Parmesan

- Gratin' The Gouda

- The Brat Melt

- The Smoked Gouda Shove

Nothing about Swiss

 

[tynimiller]

Fact is that he inherited a team with a HOF QB that still had a little fuel left in the tank. He recreated an antiquated offense that once was very polished. But would he have had that successful of a record in years 1-4 with just an average run of the mill at QB?

Again make whatever excuses you want…it is NOT easy to win in this league.

 

[OldSchool101]

Nothing about Swiss

The Luscious Limburglar

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Just incase folks run with @Poker's comments like a fool outlined above.

Why the nerve...Who was it, who was it?

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[DoURant]

While I don't think the Packers will be able to copy the Eagles Tush Push anytime soon, I do think we as a forum need to derive a clever name for it if they do.


I will throw out a few, but want to hear from others:

- Cheddar Push

- Cheese Grate

- Mozzarella Mash

- Packin' The Parmesan

- Gratin' The Gouda

- The Brat Melt

- The Smoked Gouda Shove

The Tuck-er n' Roll

 

[Pugger]

@Pokerbrat2000 in truth I think Gute would love to see Luke start to show something though, because he for sure is NOT in GB future plans - he just lacks any real diverse abilities needed in our TE room. If GB got offered a 6th for him today...I'd honestly probably say yes....which sucks. BUT he is so athletically gifted I think you let this season play out and if you trade him it is next year NOT THIS year. I'm only saying this because of how concerning it is that he simply doesn't seem to be able to tackle this level of TE play.

Maybe we should have him slim down and make him a big WR like Lazard? Of course he can't block like Lazard can...

 

[tynimiller]

Maybe we should have him slim down and make him a big WR like Lazard? Of course he can't block like Lazard can...

I just think Musgrave is what he is, an offensive weapon that is too much for a LB to cover well and a easy for a CB...IF we get to airing the ball out more his value goes up, but if the team wants to continue being run heavy and rely on play action to pass he simply doesn't fit the plan.

 

[Pugger]

For the life of me, I can't understand why MLF chooses not to call more plays where Love rolls out to his right or left? Especially when the defense is constantly collapsing the pocket like yesterday. Is Love a bad passer when on the move? Is MLF afraid of getting Love hurt by rolling him out? If MLF is afraid of injuries to Love by rolling him out and giving him a RPO, then I got news for MLF. QB's are much more suspectable to injuries, when they get sacked in the pocket, a pocket that includes 300 lb + guys on both defense and offense landing on every part of said QB's body.

This should have been MLF's game plan going into Cleveland, especially with a banged up offensive line. I blame about 90% of this loss on MLF. The defense had the game won for the Packers, but MLF was content with scoring just 10 points.

I don't think MLF was content with just 10 points but to not give his banged up OL some help and let Love be a sitting duck back there was inane.

 

[Pugger]

Now I will say Rhyan and Belton really have that knack more so and Walker isn't bad, but Jenkins has never been a bulldog strong but a technique winner. Banks is too new for me to say one or another.

Somebody should tell Gute and MLF that Jenkins is a G and not a C.

 

[tynimiller]

Somebody should tell Gute and MLF that Jenkins is a G and not a C.

Jenkins' has been fine for the most part until this last game - this last game was the first time I found myself wishing we'd kept Myers.

 

[tynimiller]

In truth, Myers is a one year signing by Jets, if he hits FA and no one takes him again - he'd be a solid low insurance policy against us having to start a rookie likely (the Monk experiment I think may be done).

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just think Musgrave is what he is, an offensive weapon that is too much for a LB to cover well and a easy for a CB...IF we get to airing the ball out more his value goes up, but if the team wants to continue being run heavy and rely on play action to pass he simply doesn't fit the plan.

After watching Sundays game, with the current OL, this team needs to stop thinking about being run heavy, unless they are playing against a weaker defensive front 7 than what the Browns have.

I know that having Josh Jacobs as your RB makes a coach like MLF want to be dominant on the ground, but sometimes you have to settle what the defense is giving you. A guy like Musgrave probably should have been in there more on Sunday, and running short routes to give Love quick options. I think it was @OldSchool101 that posted a nice break down of just how short all but 1 of Loves passes were going. I don't think that is because MLF decided it would be that way, I think it was more dictated on a front 7 that collapsed the pocket all afternoon.

Musgrave won't be cut, but MLF really needs to figure out more plays where he can use him, as a receiver.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think MLF was content with just 10 points but to not give his banged up OL some help and let Love be a sitting duck back there was inane.

While I get that sentiment, Love didn't need to be put back in the pocket all the time and become that sitting duck. Roll him out, let him get away from the traffic of 10 guys crashing in on him quickly. It wasn't like the run game was working a whole lot.

I said it yesterday and I will say it again. MLF needs to stop using the Mike McCarthy playbook and open things up a bit. Did anyone watch the Lions last night? Their offense knew how to take just about everything the Ravens defense was giving them, and they did it like assassins. "Playing conservative to protect a 2 score or less lead"? Doesn't work in the NFL

 

[Pugger]

While I get that sentiment, Love didn't need to be put back in the pocket all the time and become that sitting duck. Roll him out, let him get away from the traffic of 10 guys crashing in on him quickly. It wasn't like the run game was working a whole lot.

I said it yesterday and I will say it again. MLF needs to stop using the Mike McCarthy playbook and open things up a bit. Did anyone watch the Lions last night? Their offense knew how to take just about everything the Ravens defense was giving them, and they did it like assassins. "Playing conservative to protect a 2 score or less lead"? Doesn't work in the NFL

I will say the Browns' D is legit. I heard they bottled up Derrick Henry to 23 yards in 11 carries! The Ravens won that game because they didn't shoot themselves in the foot like we did.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I will say the Browns' D is legit. I heard they bottled up Derrick Henry to 23 yards in 11 carries! The Ravens won that game because they didn't shoot themselves in the foot like we did.

Exactly, yet MLF for some reason didn't give that front 7 enough credit and even with a banged-up OL, he chose to run the ball 31 times and only threw 25 times.

I swear sometimes I think MLF is just so caught up in his own game plan, one that he "thinks" should be working, that he doesn't know how to make in game adjustments, especially if it is a 180 from what he planned.

 

[gopkrs]

swear sometimes I think MLF is just so caught up in his own game plan, one that he "thinks" should be working, that he doesn't know how to make in game adjustments,

That may be hitting the mark

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That may be hitting the mark

I'd rather it hit the Matt, but if Murphy is still reading our forum, that works too.