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OPTIMISTIC thread: My Off-season Master Plan to get us back on top

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by FrankRizzo, Jan 8, 2014.

  1. FrankRizzo

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    That's some great inside info right there.

    Not only is this a good and potentially stud player, young, at a position we could use upgrading, but taking him away from the Vikings, for once! Payback.

    He only made $490K last year. I threw $13 million at him, perhaps it takes more, who knows.
     
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    And getting him out of Minnesota - thereby taking his toddler son away from my daughter - is a huge plus in my book! :) One fewer guy to worry about in the future! ha.
     
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    Griffin will probably receive a big contract from someone based on similar guys receiving big paydays in the past.

    Honestly I think this team make tremendous progress if it, God willing, just stays healthy. Some of us have wondered if we would have won against SF if Sam Shields doesn't go down. How about if Clay Matthews was healthy and playing as well?
     
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    Oh I hear that.
    Do you know his momma?
     
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    No. But our two kiddos have had play dates. And, like I said, from what I've heard, he does seem like a good dude.
     
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    First of all, I thought this was a reference to Dom Capers...not the salary cap! :D

    Frank - this is one of the best posts that you've ever done. I know that you called it the "optimistic" thread but IMO it's the realistic thread. You've got a pretty good handle on TT's style and you've laid out a good plan. Certainly there are more splashy ways of address the Packers' needs, but this is a good guess at our likely path.

    Compliments out of the way, I'm not sold on Ra'shede Hageman. I've seen the highlight tapes, but as always they don't really measure up with the actual output. To me he's a slimmer BJ Raji in the sense that he disappears all too often in games. I went to every Gopher home game this year and watch almost all of the games on TV. I'm not sure that he will be the impact player that we all want, but more like Worthy - who was more of a disruptive player in college than Hageman.

    I do really like the Griffen idea. The kid has played well and I'm sick of hearing Paul Allen (the worst announcer in pro/amateur sports) call his name. Allen says Griffen's name all of the time because he's been a solid contributor on that defense. He would add good value to our team.

    As for TT's drafting strategy, he's done pretty well in the 3rd and 4th rounds compared to his predecessors. He's averaging close to 10 picks per draft which to me indicates that he's a believer in quantity versus perceived quality in terms of player acquisition. One interesting stat about Thompson is that he's been horrible in the 5th round. He's struck out on every pick unless you count Andrew Quarless - a serviceable backup who flashes potential but has yet to figure out the game.
     
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    I agree with Hageman. I'm not a ticket holder and didn't watch every game, but my general sense from watching a lot of them was similar to this take. He just didn't dominate the way you would want from a first-rounder. I just have my worries about him. But, he could pan out well too.

    TT balances his 5th round failures with a stellar 4th round: Sitton, Lang, and Bak.
     
  9. FrankRizzo

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    Thanks El Guapo

    I have not gone to every -or any- Gophers home game this year like you have, so you have more insight than I do there.

    I have listened to and read a lot about him from various scouts and analysts.
    He's not a perfect player, at that size he would be rated above JaDaveon Clowney if he was. Sure-fire top-3 pick.

    Let's look at some analysis of the player:
    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1664241/rashede-hageman
    Here's a really good break down of Ra'Shede from Dan Hope over at B/R, prior to this past season.
    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1729956-breaking-down-2014-nfl-draft-prospect-rashede-hageman


    I like his maturity in this article quote from last year after he decided to stay in school and not enter the NFL Draft:
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/183656151.html
    "I feel like I'm not fully ready to take that next step." "Five sacks is OK, but I feel like I can do a lot better, especially in the running game. My pad level [needs work], so I can stop the run. And going full speed every play, too."
    "Most kids come out early without a degree. I have one more year, so I might as well take advantage of that to graduate. That was definitely important."
    "Five years ago, I was a knucklehead. I really didn't care [about academics]. But in my five years here, I've definitely matured."



    He doesn't have eye-popping production, but he has some solid numbers. And remember, he's always double teamed when lining up in the middle like this. [​IMG]
    When he's been one-on-one on the edge, he can be dominant.

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    2012 Highlights - Junior Season


    Quick words from Russe Lande


    More from NFL.com BUCKY BROOKS
    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...m-dt-rashede-hageman-is-a-boomorbust-prospect
    Film Room: DT Ra'Shede Hageman is a boom-or-bust prospect
    Now here we see some info that suggests the STEELERS would LOVE to get him with their pick, at #15, but there's doubt whether he will be available by then.
    http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co.../2014-nfl-mock-draft-steelers-rashede-hageman
    NFL Draft Scout has him rated the #1 DT, and #24 overall pick.
    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=90219&draftyear=2014&genpos=DT
     
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    We NEED to resign Shields and I think the O-line needs to be addressed earlier in the draft OR in F/A. Also, I think we are pretty set on W/R with Walker and White on the practice squad to go with Nelson, Cobb, Boykin, and maybe Jones if he is retained. Other than that I thought it was pretty solid... I would also be willing to bay Byrd the kind of money he wants if that means a Super Bowl. Call me crazy, but Ted needs to put the coffee down and spend the money on at least one quality F/A.
     
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    #1- He himself mentioned PAD LEVEL needs to improve.
    I think that got McCarthy's attention already.

    #2- Bucky Brooks doesn't LOVE him, but he sees a lot of Calais Campbell in him and he thinks he has Pro Bowl potential in our type of scheme.
    Campbell had no sacks his rookie year.
    But in the 5 seasons since, gets at least 7 every year.
    Plus with that heighth and long arms and athletic ability, he's going to swat some passes down, maybe lead to some interceptions.

    I bet he rises though thru the combine and workouts, and is gone before we pick at 21. Hope not.
     
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    This is probably the one that always got to me. Our best DL wasn't playing three downs and it wasn't because of scheme. He was often on the sidelines and yet wasn't playing 100% on every play.

    That was one of the big knocks in comparison to Clowney and others, was that he doesn't go full bore despite getting more rest than others.

    I'm certainly not a college football scout and rarely pay attention to guys until they get into the NFL. When Eric Decker came out of the UofM, you could tell he would succeed in the NFL. Maybe Hageman will grow into the player that everyone sees, IDK. He certainly has a good life story and is a quality guy, but all I hear on these forums is essentially 'screw upstanding citizens lets get impact studs.'

    Hageman would benefit from sitting on the bench and learning from guys like Pickett and Jolly. I actually hope that's what's happening with Worthy.
     
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    Worthy seems so short..... never even notice him.
    Doesn't get in passing lanes, affect the QB.... I like Hageman because like Watt, Peppers, Calais Campbell, he's a tough guy to have those arms swatting balls around for a passer.
     
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    I think we will have to lose a few more guys to afford Cobb and Nelson.
     
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    What about this guy at 6'4" and 315lbs, virtually the same as Hageman?

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    Oh wait, that's Justin Harrell. They all look good in the highlight photos!
     

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    That's partly why I had to make the difficult choice to let Shields go, even though everyone wants to keep him.
    It's not always about this year; have to keep an eye out for next year as well.
     
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    Yeah good old Justine.
    He was thicker, but not the athletic specimen Ra'Shede is. Nor as tall.

    Ra'Shede is a much cooler name too.
     
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    Justin Harrell was an amazing athlete. He was also very tough and dedicated. If it wasn't for an injury he would have been a tremendous player for the Packers. He unjustly gets a lot of flack for being a 'bust'.
     
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    Dude got dealt a bad hand with his back problems. I feel bad for the guy, he never really got his chance to shine and then got ragged on for being a bust.
     
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    We all want Sam back.
    I'm just predicting some other teams want him worse than we do and they push his price tag up higher than Fiscally conscious Teddy is willing to pay.

    The good news is we still were good enough to beat -almost- San Francisco without Shields. And A) We will get Casey Hayward back and B) We didn't have Matthews.

    The other good news is the money saved on Shields will be able to pay a few other players instead of losing them.
     
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    Re-sign Shields because he's my favorite player, resign some other guys, develop young players, sign free agents who could help without overpaying, address needs in the draft while still picking for value (see trading down for Lacy), and keep the cap happy.

    There is not a free agent, trade, or amount of money that can guarantee a title. Keep the team a contender for years, make the playoffs again and again, and hopefully get hot and win it all a couple times.
     
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    Rumor has it he got hurt 2nd season playing Wii...Or some other gaming system? No joke
     
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    LOL. He got hurt lifting weights. He was doing power squats trying to outdo some of the other players. Something Rock Gullickson encouraged and probably led in part to his downfall.
     
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    Clay was perfectly healthy for 3 out of our 4 losses to the Niners.
     
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    First game of the season we lost by less than seven with a rook left tackle making his first start and missing our only decent safety. Last game we lost by three despite missing Clay Matthews, and the deciding moment happened because a 5 string cornerback gave up outside contain and then a gimpy 4 string OLB couldn't get to the sideline in time to force Kaep out of bounds. The last two games were close, don't pretend they weren't.
     
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