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Mike McCarthy -- new Cowpoke coach

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by rmontro, Jan 5, 2020.

  1. TEXPAC

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    I wish MM nothing but good luck. Dealing with JJ has to be hard......
     
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    McCarthy was indeed a good coach. I don't know what PackinMSP is talking about. Favre went rogue after Holmgren left, become lazy in his approach and fundamentals. In the early 2000s the Packers relied on Ahman Green and an aging OL that Sherman neglected in the draft, and teams routinely would load the box and dare Favre to beat them. He was a shell of his former 1990s self. McCarthy made Favre accountable, and Favre became a student of the game again. Never did he prep for games and study tape as much as he did under McCarthy. That was the start of Mike's "quarterback school" that was bantered around so much. Favre talked about it in his retirement speech, that the grind of game prep sapped the fun away from the game for him. It made him better again, but he hated it. Those work habits were impressioned on a young Rodgers who puts a lot into game prep and fundamentals.

    McCarthy's strength was also his weakness. He put good assistant coaches around him and won a Super Bowl in addition to many division titles. As those coaches inevitably left for opportunities elsewhere, McCarthy replaced them with coaches of lesser ability. I'm not sure if that's because he didn't have the same connections throughout the league, someone in the front office wasn't there to make the great recommendations, etc....

    McCarthy was a good coach when he had all of the right tools. Not everyone can win a SB even with all of the tools at their disposal. Heck, even Lombardi leveraged all of the great players brought in back Blackbourn and Vanisi. He didn't turn coal into diamonds. He sorted through a big pile and correctly sorted out the gems.

    McCarthy has top quality players in Dallas. He will do well if he puts the right assistant coaches around him AND if he successfully negotiated power away from Jerry Jones (Lombardi had to do this with the Packers' board as well).

    I wish McCarthy luck except against the Packers.
     
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  3. Poppa San

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    In Santa Clara?
     
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    The bad thing is, from what I understand, the current CBA prohibited Mike from conducting his "quarterback school", or at least greatly limited it. I don't think Dak is as undisciplined or reckless as Favre was though.
     
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    I'm really surprised McCarthy didn't hire Joe Whitt as his DC. He was so close to picking Whitt over Pettine a couple years ago.
     
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    Joe Philbin and possibly Edgar Bennett....It's Packers v2.
     
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    You nailed it. MM inherits a lot of talent in Dallas, and that may be why he chose him. Personally, I’d have preferred he signed with Cleveland, a much harder gig.

    But MM isn’t stupid. His fastest way to success is in Dallas. Yeah, Jerry Jones can be a pain, but he’s pretty loyal to his guys. Anyway, good move for MM. He can’t sideline the running game (as he did in GB) with a guy like Elliott on the team, and Prescott is a very good QB.

    Which just makes it more mysterious why they didn’t at least make the playoffs this year. That I’ll put on Garrett, who seemed to be nothing more than a bystander at Cowboy games.

    A little off subject, but now what happens in Cleveland? Firing Kitchens was wise. Dorsey? He’ll find another GM gig in a heartbeat. His firing may have affected MM’s decision too. Who knows.

    Oh and yeah, I wish he had gone to the AFC. MM, at this stage in his career, is not interested in anything that looks like a rebuild.
     
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    Hey XPack, are you suggesting bringing back Philbin and Bennett. I’d be ok with Bennett. Phil in’s sun has set. IMO
     
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    Edgar Bennett is under contract to the Las Vegas Raiders as their WR coach and Joe Whitt is under contract to the Atlanta Falcons as a DB coach.
     
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    Back here? Hell no!
     
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    Jerry isn’t the same PITA as he was 20 years ago. He SEEMS more inclined to let his coaches coach and players play. I predict that if MM doesn’t AT LEAST get them to an NFCCG, his time will be limited to two years.
    Phew! Thanks XPack. They belong elsewhere, or out of football.
     
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    I'm not advocating for him back here, but Philbin's effect on the Packers offense is undeniable. The team was extremely prepared and had excellent game plans. He was at his peak in the 2011 (as was Rodgers) until his son's death. Obviously he hasn't been able to re-create the same magic from that run, but I bet he could be an effective coach again with McCarthy.
     
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    The Dallas Cowboys are tied for the fifth-best odds to win Super Bowl LV following the 2020 season
     
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    If they actually do put stuff on a bulletin board, this should be it. This week.
     
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    Don't shoot the messenger. :ninja:
     
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    This is interesting. I guess I never paid much attention to Philbin.

    What was he doing last year in the 2019/2020 season?

    Do you think he might catch on with MM in Dallas? I doubt it but I’ve been wrong before.

    Anyway, thanks for the insight.
     
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    Jason Garrett is new OC for Giants...wtf!

    This is bizarre. He could easily get another HC.
     
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    If there's anyone that won't run Elliott, it's McCarthy lol.
     
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    Jerry Jones buying another team? Only person that ever thought JG was HC material.
     
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    I'm just guessing from afar but I suspect a lot of the issues in that family stem from Rodgers' brother. They had a falling out when he was a participant in that bachelor show. I don't recall the particulars right now.
     
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    Ain't that the truth. He does love, love, love the passing game.
     
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    likely because we had one of the most prolific passers in NFL history? and who, outside of lacy rookie year did we ever at RB that was anything? and remember, AJ missed a quarter of each season he was with MM because of knee sprains. Missed an entire Training camp with injury and then had a suspension to serve. Just keep that in mind.

    So why wouldn't he have loved the passing game?
     

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