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Linsley suited up for the family night scrimmage last night for those who didn't get a chance to tune in.
Why would anyone judge a first time center on his first live one-on-one snaps in practice? There's a TON of football to be played this year folks, and we won't know exactly what Tretter is or isn't until way down the road.
you said the right thingI agree, but if he continues to struggle during the preseason it won't take long to realize the Packers made a mistake at the center position.
Did he get a chance to play (practice)?Linsley suited up for the family night scrimmage last night for those who didn't get a chance to tune in.
Why would anyone judge a first time center on his first live one-on-one snaps in practice? There's a TON of football to be played this year folks, and we won't know exactly what Tretter is or isn't until way down the road.
Judging someone's future performance on their first live snaps is silly. Plenty of guys who look great in practice never do anything in a game, so though you may wish to wring your hands immediately, it won't be a reasonable thing to do until, I don't know, the third preseason game. Does it bother you that you're basing who the starter should be on what you've read about 1-on-1s and what you've seen in college film and the coaches are basing it on a whole year working with Tretter and what they've seen/know about Linsley? Until we see Tretter turn into Allen Barbre #2, I'll trust the coaches.I'm judging him because he's the heir apparent, BECAUSE he hasn't played, and because I think the backup will and should be the starter. I'd have no problem having Tretter at Lang's spot, but not anchoring that line.
I'm judging him because he's the heir apparent, BECAUSE he hasn't played, and because I think the backup will and should be the starter. I'd have no problem having Tretter at Lang's spot, but not anchoring that line.
I'd rather he use his Ivy League education to block with his shoulders, arms and hands!... We might need him later if Tretter cant figure out how to block with his ivy league education. I guess we will see...
I hesitate to second guess TT, but I think it's a huge gamble not having an experienced center on the squad. I suppose he's of the opinion that there will be one available if needed.
You may be correct. But I think an experienced NFL center would pick things up more quickly than a rookie like Linsley; and a vet could mentor the young guys as well. I have little confidence in Campen's ability to mold a dominating offensive line, but would love to be proven wrong.I don't think there's any chance Thompson will bring in a center during camp. Even an experienced one would have a hard time getting a grasp of all the protection calls in such a short period of time.
You may be correct. But I think an experienced NFL center would pick things up more quickly than a rookie like Linsley; and a vet could mentor the young guys as well. I have little confidence in Campen's ability to mold a dominating offensive line, but would love to be proven wrong.
Yes, Tretter will know the playbook. But I think line calls are based on what the defense is showing you as much as what play is called. I assume a vet would pick up a defense and the disguises much more readily, since there's no substitute for experience. I do hope Tretter is the answer.....I agree that Linsley will have a hard time getting up to speed while only getting limited reps with the second unit.
Tretter on the other hand should be able to make all the calls cause he was able to study the playbook for all of last season as well. I´m more worried about him having the physical tools necessary to play in the NFL.
I went through the first drive against the Rams recording how Tretter did.First, I wish I had the games but I don't. But just watch the St Louis game and watch nothing but initial contact on passing downs. You'll see it.
Most of what you said doesn't actually help counter my argument. Vague statements by a coach about a player doing well doesn't really show anything. What is he supposed to say? MM says that guys are showing improvement when he's asked about any player. Also, I disagree that there is "nothing wrong" with an OL getting pushed back initially. It doesn't mean they are beat, but there is an initial contact battle and Tretter is losing that. There is then a recovery/finish battle and Tretter is winning that battle. But let me ask you this: Would you rather an OL can pushed back initially on a passing play or hold his ground? If you said hold his ground than you have just shown that there is something wrong with being pushed back initially, as it is less ideal than an OL holding their ground initially.
Now I'm not saying Tretter sucks, which almost seems to be the angle you're trying to corner me into. I'm saying he has stuff to work on, he's certainly no Scott Wells, and he's obviously a question mark. Lets not forget that Scott Wells signed a 4-year $24 million contract because of how well he played.
No I don’t “agree to disagree” dude. You don’t know what you are talking about – just as what you said about Daniels having “issues”. I challenged you on that too and you didn’t respond.Lets just agree to disagree, dude. I think Tretter has some stuff to work on, and I don't think he is what Wells was, which is what the argument started out as. When I watched Tretter I saw him taking steps back on initial contact in 1-on-1 situations in pass blocking, so I don't know why you are including combo blocks and running downs.
He struggled early in practice and has been improving since. It was not just one game – I mentioned the Titans game too in the thread. I also talked about the second drive in that game – while the first team was on the field, not just the first drive. And finally, I had nothing to do with the closing of that thread – your childishness certainly contributed. And it continues: A listing of what I observed on every play of the first drive of the Rams game is not “old”. You childishly used that rating because you were shown to be demonstrably wrong in the Tretter discussion.I do think the hype has gone too far for Tretter after just one game speaking how much he has struggled in practice. And I noticed you only did the first drive, which was an up-tempo drive that the defense clearly wasn't ready for and was on their heals the entire drive. They'll be more ready in the regular season and I think Tretter is going to have issues. Time will tell. Instead of getting another thread locked lets just agree to disagree.
When I watched Tretter I saw him taking steps back on initial contact in 1-on-1 situations in pass blocking, s
Tretter is not as good as Scott Wells.
Again, this is what I was responding to: "C is very questionable (Tretter recovers well, but if you watch him he gets thrown back almost every snap on first contact, although I do like the rest of the OL)" I even underlined the important part so you can follow along. Nowhere do you talk about pass blocking, you wrote "almost every snap on first contact". And 1) that's just plain wrong as I demonstrated, and 2) those who understand OL play realize OL can give ground and still do their jobs. In my review of the first drive of the Rams game, Sitton and Lang do that. (You understand they're pretty good, don't you?)Actually I did specifically talk about pass blocking, although I didn't specifically talk about 1-on-1's. If you're going to cross threads at least get your facts straight. So far you've taken some of my comments out of context and now you've gotten facts wrong. This is why crossing threads, especially from a closed thread, is a terrible idea.
Actually I did specifically talk about pass blocking, although I didn't specifically talk about 1-on-1's. If you're going to cross threads at least get your facts straight. So far you've taken some of my comments out of context and now you've gotten facts wrong. This is why crossing threads, especially from a closed thread, is a terrible idea.
Oh, and btw, Tretter did HORRIBLE in practices this year in 1-on-1 drills. I wonder why that is since you seem to think he's not even a question mark.
I brought this up again because I thought you were wrong about Tretter and took the time to prove it. I also posted it because I thought observations of what Tretter did on every play in the first drive against a good DL may be of interest to other posters. Perhaps the ratings received on that post, other than yours of course, indicate it was? I posted it on this thread because the previous thread was closed and the subject of this thread is Tretter. You seem very sensitive about what you posted on that other thread. I wonder why that is?If people want to read about it they can read it on that thread. Why are you starting up this big argument on this thread that has become about what was and wasn't said on the locked thread?
It's completely unreasonable to think that Tretter is not going to have things he needs to work on. He's in his first weeks of playing center. Of course he's not as good as Wells, but then, Wells wasn't very good his first three years in the league and neither was Lang. The coaches think he's the best option and that's good enough for me.As I said before, this doesn't mean Tretter is a terrible player. It means he has stuff to work on. And when you put it in context of what we were talking about, Tretter is not as good as Scott Wells.