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It is very difficult to make the NFL playoffs 7 consecutive seasons

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Favre3132, Jan 4, 2016.

  1. Favre3132

    Favre3132 Cheesehead

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    Considering the disappointing and difficult season we have all witnessed this year with our beloved Green Bay Packers, there is one positive that I take away from this season – call it a silver lining if you will.


    For the past 7 years, 2009-15, only 2 teams have made the playoffs each season – the Green Bay Packers and the New England Patriots. When you consider how difficult it is to make the playoffs 7 straight years in the NFL, it is a major accomplishment. The Packers with the great Brett Favre made the playoffs for 6 consecutive seasons from 1993-1998, but could not do it for 7 straight seasons.


    How would you like to be a Chicago “the Bears still suck” fan? Since 2009, they have made the postseason only once – the 2010 season when the Packers defeated the Bears in the NFC Championship on their way to Super Bowl 45. One playoff appearance in 7 years for the Bears – that would really suck! Since 2009, the Detroit Lions have made the playoffs twice and the Vikings have now made the playoffs for the fourth time.


    How about those Dallas Cowboys – 2 playoff appearances, 2009 & 2014, in 7 years. Or how about the teams that have not even sniffed the playoffs – Buffalo, Cleveland, Jacksonville, Miami, Oakland, St. Louis, Tampa Bay and Tennessee. I am so thankful that I am a fan of the Green Bay Packers.


    Yes, this has been a very disappointing season and a deep run by the Packers in the playoffs seems very unlikely, but it is so difficult just to make the postseason, and even more difficult to make it 7 consecutive seasons.


    Here are all 32 teams and how many times they have made the playoffs the last 7 years, from 2009-2015:


    7 Playoff appearances

    Green Bay Packers (2009-15 – 1 Super Bowl Win)

    New England Patriots (2009-15 – 1 Super Bowl Win)


    6 Playoff appearances

    Cincinnati Bengals (2009, 2011-15 / 0-5 record in the playoffs, not counting 2015)


    5 Playoff appearances

    Baltimore Ravens (2009-12, 2014 - 1 Super Bowl Win)

    Denver Broncos (2011-2015)

    Indianapolis Colts (2009-10, 2012-14)

    Seattle Seahawks (2010, 2012-2015 - 1 Super Bowl Win)


    4 Playoff Appearances

    Pittsburgh Steelers (2010-11, 2014-15)

    New Orleans Saints (2009-11, 2013 - 1 Super Bowl Win)


    3 Playoff Appearances

    San Francisco 49’ers (2011-13)

    Philadelphia Eagles (2009-10, 2013)

    Atlanta Falcons (2010-12)

    Arizona Cardinals (2009, 2014-15)

    Carolina Panthers (2013-15)

    Minnesota Vikings (2009, 2012, 2015)

    Houston Texans (2011-12, 2015)

    Kansas City Chiefs (2010, 2013, 2015)


    2 Playoff Appearances

    San Diego Chargers (2009, 2013)

    NY Jets (2009-10)

    Dallas Cowboys (2009, 2014)

    Detroit Lions (2011, 2014)

    Washington Redskins (2012, 2015)


    1 Playoff Appearance

    NY Giants (2011 – 1 Super Bowl Win)

    Chicago Bears (2010)


    X Playoff Appearances

    Buffalo

    Cleveland

    Jacksonville

    Miami

    Oakland

    St. Louis

    TampaBay

    Tennessee


    Be thankful we are Packers fans!
     
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  2. RRyder

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    Holy crap. You mean TT and MM have been as successful as any team in the league?

    I call shenanigans cause if message boards have taught me anything about the Green Bay Packers is that this team settles for mediocrity
     
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  3. Favre3132

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    RRyder - great post and I am very impressed with your "sarcasm" and writing skills.

    I know what you mean about many of the posters on this forum and other Packer forums that tell us how bad MM and TT are, that both need to be fired, and how mediocre the entire Packers organization is.

    And there will be some on this forum that will try and explain that making the playoffs for 7 straight years is no big deal and is in fact, a mediocre and 2nd rate accomplishment.

    Have I been frustrated over the past several years with MM, TT, AR, etc. - absolutely. And I admit that I have at times, because of my frustration and disappointment, contributed to the whole "mediocre" belief. But 7 straight playoff appearances - that is pretty impressive and is in no way, shape or form, mediocre.
     
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  4. Half Empty

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    Expectations. 7 playoffs, 1 SB when it should have been 3, followed by this year. '70s and '80s, expectations were to upset the team they were playing that week, to beat the Bears, to knock somebody out of the playoffs, and they often succeeded.
     
  5. C-Lee

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    We're very spoiled.
     
  6. JBlood

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    Yes, it's an accomplishment to be in the playoffs year after year. But to have 2 Championships with over 20 years of HOF quarterbacking is nothing to brag about after winning 5 Championships with Starr. Maybe it was the coaching?
     
  7. thisisnate

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    We are so so so so spoiled and the expectations set by some of our fans and some of the forum posters here are totally out of touch with reality.

    But, I must admit, 1 Superbowl out of Aaron Rodgers is going to feel like an enormous letdown if that's what it ends up being.
     
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  8. azrsx05

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    Different era. The players union wasn't complaining about how the players practiced and how much. Free agency wasn't really a thing, competition wasn't as close. It's hard to compare those eras, because it was just a completely different game. It's all about timing, maybe if Lombardi coached in today's game he might not have been as successful?
     
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    In addition to what azrsx said, you have to look at how many teams were in the league back then. When the Packers won it all in 61, 62, and 65, there were only 14 teams in the NFL. Even with winning the first two Super Bowls in 66 ad 67, there were only nine teams in the AFL, meaning only 24 teams in the league (the Falcons became an NFL team in 1966). Also, the playoffs were vastly different. There was no playoff system until 1967, so the first four championships came under the old format, which was just a playoff game between the winners of the Eastern and Western division of the NFL. Not the same kind of opportunities for upsets like there are today.
     
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    Not that difficult when you play in the NFC North. During the past 7 years, the Bears, Vikings, and Lions have each had very few winning seasons.
     
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    you could say that about any division. 3 -4 years ago the NFC west was weak. The Rams, Hawks, and Cards were jokes. The NFC Least comes to mind. reputations are earned. You think the Pats have had a tough division over the past decade+? the NFC south, did they even have a winning record in it last year?
     
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  12. Favre3132

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    I knew that this would be the case with many of the posters on this forum. Even if the Packers had won 3 Super Bowls in the last 7 years, you would still hear from some on this message board the following; "Fire McCarthy", "Rogers Sucks", "Thompson is an idiot", etc., etc. Unreal.
     
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  13. Sunshinepacker

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    These arguments always baffle me. Because there are bad teams in the league the Packers should be ok with not being great all the time? Since when is "well, the Packers are better than the Browns" the measuring stick for fans' happiness? I have the same issue with people who proclaim that today's fans are spoiled because "they don't know what the 80s were like"; why should fans be content if the Packers don't just stink? Sorry, this team has a top-5 QB, the bar should not be one-and-done in the playoffs.

    So, yes, let's all be happy that the Packers are better than the Bears and Browns.
     
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  14. Mondio

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    well obviously they've been a lot better than a lot of teams for a long period of time, including, but not limited to, the Bears and Browns. 1 team has equaled their sustained and continued success in a league that is built to make it harder on teams that win with salary cap and draft implications. Of course we all want this team to be better this year, but our Top 5 QB is as much to blame as anyone else. So if it isn't good enough for him, he should stop throwing INT's when there is a TD there for the taking. Nobody is without blame. But not not be able to recognize what this team has accomplished in the past decade is incredibly short sighted.
     
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  15. RRyder

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    Or you could understand the Packers have been as good as anyone in the league over the course of the last 7 years. It's not just the Browns.

    And yes Packers fans today are spoiled
     
  16. TJV

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    What always baffles me is fans who believe the Packers should be "great all the time" but then insist they aren't spoiled. Of course I wanted more titles since Wolf arrived - remember his "fart in the wind" comment? So it's fair to say he expected at least one more under his tenure. And IMO for the all the criticisms of Thompson (some of which I agree with), he provided the talent to get to, and win the Super Bowl last season. But just having a top 5 QB isn't enough. And BTW, our top 5 QB isn't playing like one this season.
     
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    When expectations are low fans will ride the storm, just expect the worse, and can dwell on the past accomplishments. In contrast, when expectations are high and this team plays like they did after the "bye week," it doesn't matter what we accomplished in the past, most fans just want this team to go all the way.
    Don't get me wrong I don't want to be a spoiled brat and whine that this team should have won every game but, when we lose consecutively to teams(bears, detroit, etc) that had the worse records, I'd say we have a problem and fans will start to express themselves in such ways that we have seen in the Shoutbox.

    If we emerge victorious, all the frustrations we experienced after the bye will be worth it! Which makes this season all that more exciting.
     
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  18. Un4GivN

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    Hmmm... Odd

    But your second highest playoff team is the Bengals... One of the biggest disappointments of this decade in professional sports. Making the playoffs means NOTHING. You are just another loser.

    Brady:
    14 years (one year injury) - 13 playoff appearances - 6 super bowl appearances - 4 championships. All time Playoff record: 21-8 or 72% win percentage.

    Rodgers:
    8 years - 7 playoff appearances - 1 super bowl appearance - 1 championship. All time playoff record 6-5 or 54%... With 4 of the 6 coming in 1 year.

    Look at those... Seriously, tell me who is doing more with their talent? This isn't Brady vs Rodgers.... This is what are the Patriots doing with a HoF quarterback vs what the Packers are.

    Many could argue Aaron has a vastly superior arm, mobility, and intelligence and yet has very little to show for it.

    I think everyones characterization of "entitled" or "spoiled" is a ******* joke... We aren't spoiled, up to this point to have those numbers given that you have one of the all-time great quarterback is disturbing at best.

    Green Bay fans are wise enough to know when they have a winning team or a losing team. They stayed with them through many hard times. And just because they get on them when they aren't living up to their potential doesn't make them spoiled. Makes them smart enough to know something is array. That talent is being wasted and soon we could be in the years of no franchise QB and stuck in years of mediocrity without anything much to show for it.
     
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  19. TJV

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    IMO you are a spoiled and entitled fan, as indicated by your ******* overreaction ;). If you don't think so, compare the Packers to a team other than the Patriots. To me it would be like a fan of a team during the 60s whining that his team isn't as good as the Packers. IMO Vince Lombardi was the greatest HC in NFL history, but Bill Belichick is not far behind. So compare the Packers organization since Bob Harlan took over to today to any of the other 30 teams in the league. And if you think just having a great QB is enough, check the history of the NFL: Great QBs like Marino can spend 17 years in the league without winning a title and crappy QBs like _______ (fill in the blank) have Super Bowl rings.
     
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    An interesting post, particularly from the standpoint of a spoiled fan. I was set to jump on the first paragraph and go through the relativity/subjectivity/expectation recital again. Then, at the end of that first paragraph, there's another item to address. If you really think that expecting a 15-1 team, or one that was five comfortable minutes from the Super Bowl to get there is totally out of touch with reality, I think we've reached the point where added discussion is fruitless.

    The other point is that your second paragraph is what I normally would use to refute the first.

    Ah, the joys of sports forums. :)
     
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    Why since Harlan, why does that matter? Compare with any good team in the last 30 years. The Packers should be that good if not better considering they have one of the most prolific passer of his generation. At that point it is up to the coaches and front office to put the tools in to help. And the coaches to make sure they win.

    How about the 2000's Giants, 90s Cowboys, 90s 49ers, 2000's Patriots... That's just the beginning of the list. Lets be real. the 2010's Seahawks have a better track history than the Packers. They have accomplished more in the past 3 years than the Packers have in 8 with Rodgers. There is probably more. Just off the top of my head.

    You are right... Marino got shafted, I don't think anyone would disagree with that. It's one the biggest disappointments or feel bad moment in NFL history that he didn't get a title. He was let down by his organization and it is a shame. I feel bad for the Dolphin fans.
     
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    I'm just saying I think 1 title over the career of a great quarterback is pretty decent, and I'd be happy if we won 2 or 3 more titles over my lifetime. That's like 1 every 15-20 years. I think that's realistic.

    But I don't think we can apply normal expectations to Aaron Rodgers. He's got a skillset at a level I don't think we've seen before. He should be able to do more with it than meet standard expectations.

    So yeah, I think expecting greatness and a title shot every year is out of touch with reality as a general rule. I don't think that general rule holds when your quarterback is Aaron Rodgers.
     
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    I used Harlan as the benchmark because that marked a significant change in the organization. Any starting date for comparison purposes is arbitrary so if you prefer acquisition of "the most prolific passer of his generation" as a starting date, use 1992. Or don't. But again, you are putting way too much emphasis on the position of QB as I wrote in the last sentence of that post. In sum, crappy QBs win titles too.
     
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    I put more emphasis on it because I believe a prolific passer significantly increases your chances at a title. I am just wondering, as other have, if management is correctly making use of this advantage. It's a short window in the NFL, and nothing is guaranteed. We don't even know with certainty that Aaron will be able to play next year. Year/career ending injuries happen all the time.

    I guess my main point is... Do we really believe that this team is doing all it can, at a high level to win championships? Is MM the best coach for that? Is TT getting the best talent, and filling the gaps to win right now. Or are we being just competitive enough to make you believe we are on the right track?

    New England signed Revis/Browner last year knowing it was likely only for one year. To fill a gap that was needed to contend for a championship that year. With no regard to them being staples of the defense for long term. And it paid off big time.

    I can't say that I have enough experience in personnel choices to make an educated opinion on the subject. But looking at the result of this have been lackluster... I stand firm in my belief that playoffs mean nothing. Just another loser.
     
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    The only way to survive in this league is by constantly and continuously improving. After every goal we reach and target we achieve we need to keep raising the bar higher.

    I certainly don't get this 'entitled' and 'spoilt' tags. Don't really get why we should be happy we made previous 7 play off's when we currently lost the division title. No athlete worth his salt would be happy after losing irrespective of previous records.

    It is quite true that we can't always be on top, but I certainly do not see the need to 'rationalize' a loss with an historical excuse. And I don't get the "we made the playoff's" stats at all. If you consider the post-Lombardi era Super Bowl stats, I'd doubt we'd rank within the Top 5 in NFL (appearances/wins)
     
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