Fire Matt LaFleur

How many wins does MLF need to keep his job?

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adambr2

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I will say Packers could keep MLF, cut Rich entirely and then offer Hafley more money and give him the position as assistant head coach...truthfully it likely buys you just one year...but keeps Hafley here "maybe"
Maybe, I don’t think it is a slam dunk that Hafley gets a HC gig just yet. Yes the Titans want to interview him, but they’re just doing their due diligence as are most teams with vacancies this time of year. It doesn’t mean he’s their top choice.

Harbaugh is the only slam dunk to have a job if he wants one.

Flores, Saleh, McDaniel, Stefanski, Spagnuolo, Nagy, even MM are all possible candidates, before you even get into the first time dark horses.
 

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Maybe, I don’t think it is a slam dunk that Hafley gets a HC gig just yet. Yes the Titans want to interview him, but they’re just doing their due diligence as are most teams with vacancies this time of year. It doesn’t mean he’s their top choice.

Harbaugh is the only slam dunk to have a job if he wants one.

Flores, Saleh, McDaniel, Stefanski, Spagnuolo, Nagy, even MM are all possible candidates, before you even get into the first time dark horses.

I concur on the slam dunk for Harbaugh being the only one.
 

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1> Would MLFs offense work better with a seasoned team instead of year-after-year being one of the youngest teams in the league?
2> Assuming Harbaugh is on the radar would keeping Hafley be necessary? Isn't Harbaugh a defense minded coach?
3> Would trading MLF to say Atlanta or LV for a few high picks be an option to open up for a Harbaugh or Hafley HC position?
4> Who's available to be OC in scenarios 2 & 3?
 

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He actually was most recently a special teams coordinator before becoming head coach.
John Harbaugh was ST coordinator from 98-06 with the Eagles, then was DB coach with the Eagles in 07, then became HC for the Ravens in 08. I think the only person in NFL history to go from ST coordinator straight to head coach was Joe Judge.
 

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1> Would MLFs offense work better with a seasoned team instead of year-after-year being one of the youngest teams in the league?
2> Assuming Harbaugh is on the radar would keeping Hafley be necessary? Isn't Harbaugh a defense minded coach?
3> Would trading MLF to say Atlanta or LV for a few high picks be an option to open up for a Harbaugh or Hafley HC position?
4> Who's available to be OC in scenarios 2 & 3?
Trading draft picks for coaching is a very rare scenario. Why would a GM or owner give up precious draft capital for a coach when there's a pool of coaches to draw from, all with pro's and con's?

The coach in a trade scenario would need to stick out above the crowd and be extraordinarily successful. In that case, his current employer would want to hang onto him. The idea is intriguing but I just don't see teams parting with their draft picks for non-players very easily.
 

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Trading draft picks for coaching is a very rare scenario. Why would a GM or owner give up precious draft capital for a coach when there's a pool of coaches to draw from, all with pro's and con's?

The coach in a trade scenario would need to stick out above the crowd and be extraordinarily successful. In that case, his current employer would want to hang onto him. The idea is intriguing but I just don't see teams parting with their draft picks for non-players very easily.
Sean Payton plus a 3rd brought back a 1st and a 2nd.

Not sure what the market would be for MLF. Two 2nds?
 

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Maybe, I don’t think it is a slam dunk that Hafley gets a HC gig just yet. Yes the Titans want to interview him, but they’re just doing their due diligence as are most teams with vacancies this time of year. It doesn’t mean he’s their top choice.

Harbaugh is the only slam dunk to have a job if he wants one.

Flores, Saleh, McDaniel, Stefanski, Spagnuolo, Nagy, even MM are all possible candidates, before you even get into the first time dark horses.
A week from now it should become clearer.
 

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I dont know, maybe Harbaugh takes the defense coordinator job for the Chargers...the brothers are getting older. Might just be a little like heaven to them.
It depends how much stress you want. Both of them have made the $$$ already.
 

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Sean Payton plus a 3rd brought back a 1st and a 2nd.

Not sure what the market would be for MLF. Two 2nds?

MLF is proven to be very good at developing QB’s (getting Rodgers back on track, Love, and Willis reclamation) so I’m sure he’d be worth at least as much as Payton since that’s the most valuable skill for most teams.
 

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Everyone's been saying this is his last contractual year? Is that not accurate?
He's under contract for the 2026 season and so is Gute. But what people keep repeating is that Policy does not like "lame ducks". So, the narrative is that something has got to be done before the start of next season.
 

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Everyone's been saying this is his last contractual year? Is that not accurate?
2026 is. I know I've made the comment before, but looks like now that the Dolphins have Jon-Eric Sullivan as a GM I like even more the potential of MLF being traded to the Dolphins and Willis on their radar. Dolphins could trade some draft capital in 2026 and get some Packer's capital back in 2027 (early compensation for the Packers. Give you our 3rd in 2026 for MLF and your 2027 5th.. something along those lines). Jon-Eric Sullivan definitely would know what the Packers are thinking on MLF.
 

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Last I heard there are now eight HC vacancies. That's a full quarter of the NFL! If the Packers were to fire MLF (which I doubt happens, honestly - although maybe we should watch tomorrow's playoff game first), they may not get a good choice of a new HC. They might be better off standing pat.

1> Would MLFs offense work better with a seasoned team instead of year-after-year being one of the youngest teams in the league?
I like the youth movement, but there are pros and cons to it. At some point it might be nice to see what that "youngest team" looks like when it has matured.
 

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He is though, and even though it’s only through 2026, whatever team that would be trading for him I’m sure would be giving him a long-term extension as a condition of the deal.
Yeah I assumed based off what some had posted it was only through the year. Few above also confirmed he has until end of 2026. In that case...in truth I'd place his value at like two 3rd maybe at the bottom of value to a single first rounder as the top.
 
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I like the youth movement, but there are pros and cons to it. At some point it might be nice to see what that "youngest team" looks like when it has matured.
Funny I had just seen a pros and cons article about this matchup and I skimmed it but can’t find it. It spoke the packers experience as the key to this matchup.

We shall see shortly if they live up to that or not
 

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I really would be surprised if there's anything to the notion of trading LaFleur, but even if there were I'd suspect you could see that pretty quickly turn into a bit of a chess match...

Even assuming that the team taking him on in trade would only do so with it being contingent on a long-term deal... It wouldn't be surprising if you had a team interested in LaFleur but willing to say "We're not desperate enough to give up any draft capital for him, next year we can make the best offer for him in free agency" and just hold off. In that case then we're effectively stuck continuing with LaFleur and just watching him walk for no compensation in just a year's time

Coaches rarely have explicit "no trade" clauses but practically speaking they kind of do. Especially in LaFleur's shoes... if GB tries to play hardball and force a trade out, MLF can just tell the other team involved that he won't sign a contract with them. They aren't going to offer anything meaningful for a one year coach rental so our hands are basically tied.

But on the flip side, in that same situation GB could be looking around the coaching landscape and thinking "There's already 8 openings this year and we could see these ones opening up next year". If they want a guy like Harbaugh (for example. Or anyone else currently available) they know they can't afford to wait until next season. In that case, they're incentivized to try and get a trade deal done now (if that's the course of action they want to pursue) rather than go another year with LaFleur, see him leave for free, and have your preferred target(s) signed elsewhere by next year.

I would also wager that Payton trade as a comp is almost certainly better than you could expect for LaFleur. Payton had some "baggage" but he also comes with a Super Bowl ring, a great record in the regular season (not quite as good as Lafleur's to be fair, but nearly 2x as many games overall) and a better record of playoff success. That plus LaFleur's contract situation probably sets a lower-than-Payton ceiling in a MLF trade.

So in the event that GB is considering trading LaFleur, possibly pushing his value up:

+ still under contract until 2026
+ solid record of developing QBs
+ excellent regular season record
+ teams consistently make the postseason
+ many teams with coaching openings (i.e. high demand and limited supply)

And possibly driving it down:
- team trading for him will need to negotiate long-term deal
- some teams may prefer to wait and sign as FA rather than give up draft capital
- GB potentially motivated to "sell" quicker if they have a particular replacement in mind
- LaFleur basically controls where he goes = less leverage for GB

SO, I don't know. I don't see it as very likely but if we lose this weekend I would think a team like the Dolphins will at least make some calls...

But it will be moot when we beat Chicago and continue onward, so it's all good
 

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Oh, and that doesn't even address LaFleur's potential contract demands. He is making something like 8m now, last I heard? The rumor today was that it would take 12-15m to get an extension agreed. I don't think it's out of the question that the team may be theoretically interested in continuing with LaFleur but looking at it and thinking "We don't really want to pay him that much and can get some capital back if we move on now" as another possible factor for a trade
 

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Funny I had just seen a pros and cons article about this matchup and I skimmed it but can’t find it. It spoke the packers experience as the key to this matchup.
I was thinking that the Packers have playoff experience, whereas the Bears don't. That's one thing we have going for us, at least. Although it might make it more embarrassing if we lose.

I'm a little concerned about the four game losing streak. Winning gets to be a habit, but so does losing.
 

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Random related thing I saw - LaFleur is somehow the oldest coach in the NFC playoffs.

Matt LaFleur (Packers) - 46
Kyle Shanahan (49ers) - 46
Dave Canales (Panthers) - 44
Nick Sirianni (Eagles) - 44
Ben Johnson (Bears) - 39
Sean McVay (Rams) - 39
Mike McDonald (Seahawks) - 38

LaFleur is about a month older than Shanahan. :p
 

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