Fire Matt LaFleur

[milani]

Very nice! I didn't catch it when I first posted it.

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Well, we will be talking about the past when we face the Bears 2 times. Ancient rivalries.

 

[Guacamole]

Packers: Matt LaFleur already has been asked whether he’s coaching for his job. And for good reason. New team president Ed Policy has said that neither LaFleur nor G.M. Brian Gutekunst will get extensions until after the season. And with both signed through 2026, Policy also has made it clear he’s not a fan of lame-duck arrangements. If the Packers don’t make the playoffs, things could get interesting.

 

[lambeaulambo]

How do you lose 3 in a row w a defense that is champ caliber? Now Love looks like a 2nd year qb again. He doesnt seem to go through progressions at the line and has a tendency to lock on to primary target. Injuries are the only excuse 1265 could come up with to keep mlf if they win 7 games. No guarantees next season either due to yep my fault we will have to take a look at the tape. You do that before a game not after. The org has been very patient with mlf. There are going to be other hc suitors that may be better.

 

[AGreen2AJones]

How can anyone defend MLF? If Brian doesn't fire him, Ed must get rid of both of them or the board must get rid of Ed

 

[Magooch]

How can anyone defend MLF? If Brian doesn't fire him, Ed must get rid of both of them or the board must get rid of Ed

Unless I've got it mixed around I think both Matt and Gute report direct to Policy. I don't think Gute can just decide to fire Matt himself

 

[DoURant]

How can anyone defend MLF? If Brian doesn't fire him, Ed must get rid of both of them or the board must get rid of Ed

Nobody is getting fired during the season, will have to see how the season ends, but unless they miss the playoffs and have a losing record, it most likely isn't going to happen.

 

[AGreen2AJones]

Nobody is getting fired during the season, will have to see how the season ends, but unless they miss the playoffs and have a losing record, it most likely isn't going to happen.

Why wait?? The season is salvageable with anyone who can manage in game situations

 

[DoURant]

Sorry, You are wishing for something that isn't going to happen

 

[AGreen2AJones]

Sorry, You are wishing for something that isn't going to happen

Oh I don't disagree but it should happen.MLF is a decent out of game coach but the issue is in game management. He fails to make good decisions on weather, kicks, 2 point conversions, 4th down decisions, play calls. One of the worst in game managers in the NFL

 

[Magooch]

I have my gripes with Matt but a mid-season firing is basically throwing in the towel on the season. And it's never going to happen for a team who is 5-4-1 at worst. No team who has made an in-season coaching switch has ever made the Super Bowl IIRC

 

[AGreen2AJones]

I have my gripes with Matt but a mid-season firing is basically throwing in the towel on the season. And it's never going to happen for a team who is 5-4-1 at worst. No team who has made an in-season coaching switch has ever made the Super Bowl IIRC

You're probably right, but id argue the only teams that have the gall to do it are teams with unrecoverable records. Not a decent team that underperforms. But also to be fair to MLF, Love might be super overrated

 

[Firethorn1001]

Sorry, You are wishing for something that isn't going to happen

Normally the Fire MLF crowd isn't enamored with the staff so, in that case they are firing MLF just to put someone else in that they aren't enamored with anyways. But near zero of getting fired in season so even if someone wants it, not happening

 

[milani]

Why wait?? The season is salvageable with anyone who can manage in game situations

Anyone?

 

[lambeaulambo]

They barely beat a bottom feeder and lafluer still goes deep on 3rd and short. He is NOT an nfl caliber hc any more.

 

[DoURant]

They barely beat a bottom feeder and lafluer still goes deep on 3rd and short. He is NOT an nfl caliber hc any more.

MLF has his issues, for sure, but some key missed tackles on 3rd down, and 4 drops each, on both sides of the ball, are what made this game close. 2 of their 3 TD's were scored after interceptions were dropped, and the 3rd one after a 3rd and 12 screen play, that should have been a 4 yd loss, turned into a 20 yd gain. Just like coaches need to coach...players need to make plays.

 

[Magooch]

Overall it was not a bad showing from Matt today. He still had some calls here and there that I am going to really question, but not bad on the whole. As mentioned in the game thread, I do have to mention how much of that can be traced to the Jacobs injury. Love that guy - great player and great teammate - but for whatever reason it feels like LaFleur is married to force-feeding him every game. Without that option available it felt like we were more fluid overall. But that can perhaps also be accounted for by the crummy Giants D.

 

[DoURant]

As mentioned in the game thread, I do have to mention how much of that can be traced to the Jacobs injury. Love that guy - great player and great teammate - but for whatever reason it feels like LaFleur is married to force-feeding him every game. Without that option available it felt like we were more fluid overall. But that can perhaps also be accounted for by the crummy Giants D.

Almost like when Adams was hurt, Rodgers would spread the ball more and have really good results.

 

[Firethorn1001]

They barely beat a bottom feeder and lafluer still goes deep on 3rd and short. He is NOT an nfl caliber hc any more.

I never get into style points save for the last 3 weeks of the regular season. Eagles lost by 17 to the same bottom feeder and were worse on the ground.

There is nothing going to suggest they cant win vs everyone on their schedule right now. Now granted, the only consistency right now with the team is their inconsistency, but there is nothing to suggest they won't be able to compete.

And yes, in that situation, that 3rd down play I wasn't fond of. After that 9 minute drive it was more important to get some 1st downs and give the defense a rest.

 

[milani]

Overall it was not a bad showing from Matt today. He still had some calls here and there that I am going to really question, but not bad on the whole. As mentioned in the game thread, I do have to mention how much of that can be traced to the Jacobs injury. Love that guy - great player and great teammate - but for whatever reason it feels like LaFleur is married to force-feeding him every game. Without that option available it felt like we were more fluid overall. But that can perhaps also be accounted for by the crummy Giants D.

Give the Giants credit and their coach for going for it on this 4th downs. They have lost a lot of close ones just as the Bears have won many a close one.
When Jacobs goes out you also lose pass protection Wilson cannot take on a lineman in the least. This will change our game plan next week since the Vikings will be going blitz, blitz, blitz. Love cannot run all over the place like Caleb. Probably will see a TE in the backfield more than once. Maybe Wyhle. He is like 6'7".

 

[tynimiller]

Give the Giants credit and their coach for going for it on this 4th downs. They have lost a lot of close ones just as the Bears have won many a close one.
When Jacobs goes out you also lose pass protection Wilson cannot take on a lineman in the least. This will change our game plan next week since the Vikings will be going blitz, blitz, blitz. Love cannot run all over the place like Caleb. Probably will see a TE in the backfield more than once. Maybe Wyhle. He is like 6'7".

Chris Brooks is our best pass pro running back by a large margin. That includes Jacobs.

 

[Pugger]

I never get into style points save for the last 3 weeks of the regular season. Eagles lost by 17 to the same bottom feeder and were worse on the ground.

There is nothing going to suggest they cant win vs everyone on their schedule right now. Now granted, the only consistency right now with the team is their inconsistency, but there is nothing to suggest they won't be able to compete.

And yes, in that situation, that 3rd down play I wasn't fond of. After that 9 minute drive it was more important to get some 1st downs and give the defense a rest.

I too think they can win against any team in the league but the beat themselves with stupid penalties, poor in-game management decisions by the coaches and unforced errors. They are their own worst enemy.

 

[Magooch]

I do have to say I don’t really think this game was much of a “needle mover” when it comes to LaFleur. If you’re convinced Matt isn’t the right guy for us, this game probably didn’t (and probably shouldn’t) change that perception for you. And if you are convinced Matt is the right guy for us to continue on with, this one isn’t going to make you change your mind, either.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Couldn’t find a thread for this, so I’m starting one. The team looks so unprepared and undisciplined, and that’s on the coaching staff. I’m not saying he should be fired, but given our recent performance, I suspect we will hear more in this vein soon. So it’s worth having a thread.

Good point red. MLF has one year left on his contract after this season. If the Packers don't make a deep playoff run, or even worse, miss the playoffs, I'm guessing Policy will move on from him.

I don't like saying that. MLF has won a LOT of games with Rodgers and Love, and managed that transition well.

But a team with this level of talent has no business losing to Cleveland and Carolina, and tying with the Cowboys. And the Giants' game was no masterpiece.

What happened to the team that beat Detroit and Washington handily? It's worth remembering that the 2010-2011 SB winning team was 6-6 at one point. They started playing like a champ after that. They won three playoff road games before beating the Steelers in the SB.

The time to start showing that kind of excellence is now. The Queens will be an interesting game. Well, they all are I guess....... Injuries aside, this team still has a lot of talent. And that puts more pressure on MLF to deliver.

 

[milani]

Chris Brooks is our best pass pro running back by a large margin. That includes Jacobs.

That is important. If such is the case maybe you use him as a dual back like a FB. But Jacobs has the experience and versatility to do a number of things and do them well.

 

[tynimiller]

That is important. If such is the case maybe you use him as a dual back like a FB. But Jacobs has the experience and versatility to do a number of things and do them well.

He and Fitzpatrick and Whyle will likely be deployed in split backfield reps at times as that H Back TE/FB role. Whyle did quite solid when asked a few times.