Fant or Hockenson?

[OldSchool101]

Sounds like 4 QB's could go in Round 1 (Haskins, Murray, Lock and Jones).

Yeah. It’s likely 3 QBs go by our original pick if we trade back. My gut tells me there will be 2-3 players that we value relatively equal and we could go with the flow. I believe picking a second time at #20 range gives us 2 bonafied starters by close of the business day. There’s often that player we originally ponder at #12 that gets kicked down the line to #20.

Anyway you swing it (OT/Edge;TE/DT:Edge/LB LB/OT;Edge/S;TE/S). As you projected we’d still have 4 more picks by mid-round four which is a great place to still find substantial talent. Then another 4 selections in the 5th-7th rounds to round out some depth, beef up ST, get that specialty player etc..

Plus it sure beats waiting up all night only to watch us trade out of day 1.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Plus it sure beats waiting up all night only to watch us trade out of day 1.

LOL....what? You didn't like passing on T.J. Watt to draft King and Biegel?

I predict King is going to have a great year, in 2020, his contract year.

 

[Conan Troutman]

I agree. There’s many scenarios but one scenario I like is to work a deal with the Redskins. They traded away two picks (a 6th and was a 4th for Dix) But they should get a 3rd comp for Cousins. Also they were awarded 3 more comp picks day 3. Right now, they are also in position to get their choice of one of the top 3 QBs however Miami is in their way at #13.
I believe they would love to jump frog Miami and pick at #12 and get one of the top 2-3 QBs but without losing their shorts. If we traded back to #15 we could pick up their 3rd rounder while trading a 5th and they would still have a 3rd round comp.
They’d likely come out with their original selections (except 1 less 3rd round and one more 5th) while still attaining the QB of their choice.

We’d get #15, #76. Thats enough firepower to package #30 and #76 (or #74)and get in the top #20 range a second time. It also gives us the ability to go with a premier Defender and still have s 50/50 chance of grabbing Hockenson. If he’s gone it’s not meant to be, but having a second pick around #19-#21 range is substantial

I like those trades, especially the idea of picking twice in the top 20. I do agree with Pokerbrat though that you can play hard ball and not give the Redskins back anything. If a potential franchise QB is involved, trade value (chart) means little and they probably aren't going to let the trade fail because of some fifth rounder.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I like those trades, especially the idea of picking twice in the top 20. I do agree with Pokerbrat though that you can play hard ball and not give the Redskins back anything. If a potential franchise QB is involved, trade value (chart) means little and they probably aren't going to let the trade fail because of some fifth rounder.

Did you mean 2 picks in the top 30?

I doubt we will make any trades that will have us picking twice in the top 20, but I guess you never know. We could try and trade the #30 pick to the Titans for their #19, but I think that would cost us a minimum of our 1st (#30), 3rd (#75) and 5th (#150) round picks. Would be worth it if there is a player sitting there at #19 that the Packers absolutely love and his name isn't Jason Spriggs.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Bad news for the Packers, the Eagles won't be tagging Foles, so guessing he is going to end up signing with one of the apparent QB needy teams; Jacksonville, Miami, Washington, Broncos or the Giants.

This could effect the Packers #12 pick in 2 ways. First, if one of the 3 teams ahead of the Packers in the draft signs Foles, they would probably no longer use their 1st rounder on a QB and potentially take a player off the board the Packers may have been targeting.

Second, if Miami or Washington sign Foles, they probably won't be interested in trading up with the Packers to grab a QB that is still on the board.

Personally, I am now hoping the Dolphins sign Foles, which would keep 3 teams ahead of the Packers in the 1st round still potentially taking QB's.

 

[Mondio]

I just can’t see Foles being that valuable to teams. I know teams are starved for QBs but to me, Foles is limited and those limits were fairly obvious.

Maybe Denver, they seem to like big dollar back up quality QBs?

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I just can’t see Foles being that valuable to teams. I know teams are starved for QBs but to me, Foles is limited and those limits were fairly obvious.

Maybe Denver, they seem to like big dollar back up quality QBs?

Kind of hope you are right that no team will see him as a starter, but it wouldn't surprise me if one did.

Speaking of "bona fide", I had to post this article, only because it made me LMAO while reading it.

https://deadspin.com/nick-foles-and-his-****-are-now-free-to-go-elsewhere-1832935356

 

[Dantés]

I just can’t see Foles being that valuable to teams. I know teams are starved for QBs but to me, Foles is limited and those limits were fairly obvious.

Maybe Denver, they seem to like big dollar back up quality QBs?

I agree with you, but I bet a team like Washington or Jacksonville signs him to start. He fits Gruden's system hand in glove, and his former QB coach is now the OC for the Jags.

What would be ideal is if JAC signed him, consequently passed on a QB at #7, said QB falls to #12, and Washington trades up from #15 to get him, leap frogging Miami.

 

[OldSchool101]

What would be ideal is if JAC signed him, consequently passed on a QB at #7, said QB falls to #12, and Washington trades up from #15 to get him, leap frogging Miami.

and then our primary focus guy doesn’t get picked #13,#14 anyway... so we lose nothing. But we package a 1st,3rd (acquired from trading back) and leap frog the Seattle Seahawks who I believe would go after Hockenson at selection #21 if they don’t do similarly and make a move around the board also.
(In 2018, 12 TEs in the league individually had more TE production than all 4 Seattle TEs combined).

 

[Conan Troutman]

Did you mean 2 picks in the top 30?

I doubt we will make any trades that will have us picking twice in the top 20, but I guess you never know. We could try and trade the #30 pick to the Titans for their #19, but I think that would cost us a minimum of our 1st (#30), 3rd (#75) and 5th (#150) round picks. Would be worth it if there is a player sitting there at #19 that the Packers absolutely love and his name isn't Jason Spriggs.

Either that or use #30 and #44 to get two picks in a row after a small downtrade. If there are two blue chippers way above everyone else, why not take them both if you have the chance?

That first round is going to be wild. I can't imagine Gutekunst trading all the way up inside the top five, but after that he can move pretty much anywhere he likes.

 

[Pkrjones]

I just can’t see Foles being that valuable to teams. I know teams are starved for QBs but to me, Foles is limited and those limits were fairly obvious.

Maybe Denver, they seem to like big dollar back up quality QBs?

Denver now has Flacco thru the 2021 season so they're "out" of the QB derby.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Denver now has Flacco thru the 2021 season so they're "out" of the QB derby.

Not so sure about that. I have read that Elway really likes Drew Lock. Flacco may just be a 1-2 year guy for the Broncos, after all, he got beat out by a rookie in Baltimore.

 

[sschind]

Not so sure about that. I have read that Elway really likes Drew Lock. Flacco may just be a 1-2 year guy for the Broncos, after all, he got beat out by a rookie in Baltimore.

If I read the contract right he will have a cap hit of around 18 and 20 million in 2019 and 2020 respectively. That's not a lot for a starting QB for a couple of years while a rookie learns the ropes.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If I read the contract right he will have a cap hit of around 18 and 20 million in 2019 and 2020 respectively. That's not a lot for a starting QB for a couple of years while a rookie learns the ropes.

Agreed and add to that the fact that the Broncos will have no dead cap money tied up in Flacco. So they can keep him around as long as he is needed, while grooming someone like Lock and then cut him when Lock is ready to start. Really the perfect situation to groom a Rookie QB.

 

[Dantés]

Agreed and add to that the fact that the Broncos will have no dead cap money tied up in Flacco. So they can keep him around as long as he is needed, while grooming someone like Lock and then cut him when Lock is ready to start. Really the perfect situation to groom a Rookie QB.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos wait until day 2 to draft a QB. Murray and Haskins are likely to go before #10, and I don't think anyone else is close to being worth the pick. Maybe I'll be surprised.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos wait until day 2 to draft a QB. Murray and Haskins are likely to go before #10, and I don't think anyone else is close to being worth the pick. Maybe I'll be surprised.

While I tend to agree with you on the nobody else is probably worth a 1st round pick, both Jones and Lock are being talked about by many as potential top 15 picks, so who knows. The value of a great QB is high, so teams with a need for one, seem to be willing to reach. Who knows, maybe Lock will be there at 30 and Gute will take him, not that I am hoping that happens.

I mean look at this crazy mock.....this guy has the Cardinals picking Murray with the 1st pick!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...2019-nfl-mock-draft-10-kyler-murray-goes-no-1

 

[Deleted member 6794]

But they should get a 3rd comp for Cousins.

Washington received the highest compensatory pick (96th overall) for losing Cousins last offseason.

I just can’t see Foles being that valuable to teams. I know teams are starved for QBs but to me, Foles is limited and those limits were fairly obvious.

Maybe Denver, they seem to like big dollar back up quality QBs?

I highly doubt the Broncos are interested in signing Foles after trading for Flacco while still having Keenum on the roster.

 

[sschind]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos wait until day 2 to draft a QB. Murray and Haskins are likely to go before #10, and I don't think anyone else is close to being worth the pick. Maybe I'll be surprised.

They certainly bought, or should I say traded for, some leeway with Flacco. They are not as married to a QB in the first round now and maybe this gives them some way to move back and still nab one of them although with the Dolphins and Redskins nipping at their heels they probably couldn't go to far down. 2nd round is also a more viable option now with some time to let him develop.

 

[sschind]

While I tend to agree with you on the nobody else is probably worth a 1st round pick, both Jones and Lock are being talked about by many as potential top 15 picks, so who knows. The value of a great QB is high, so teams with a need for one, seem to be willing to reach. Who knows, maybe Lock will be there at 30 and Gute will take him, not that I am hoping that happens.

I mean look at this crazy mock.....this guy has the Cardinals picking Murray with the 1st pick!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...2019-nfl-mock-draft-10-kyler-murray-goes-no-1

I saw that one. Its all based on one comment that Kingsbury made while still a college coach. If he would have had an inkling that he would be the head coach of the team that had the first pick in the draft I doubt he would have said what he did and I doubt anyone would be mocking Murray to the Cardinals. Still, I hope they do.

 

[Mondio]

It was more a jab at the Broncos and their recent QB signings than a real possibility of them signing him.

 

[brandon2348]

Jace sternberger provides "BETTER VALUE" then both in the 3rd. Were not drafting Hockenson. Sorry.

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[Packer96]

we already have a TE who can't block why would we get another one?

 

[RepStar15]

we already have a TE who can't block why would we get another one?

Do you like Zach Gentry?

 

[Packer96]

No, another non blocking TE. I want a do it all TE and FB.

 

[brandon2348]

I want Sternberger.