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Duece Lutui?

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by DTown SBrown, Apr 28, 2010.

  1. DTown SBrown

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    With Faneca being signed in AZ and getting the starting Gaurd position, Duece Lutui may be the odd man out according to PFT.com

    ANy takers or interest? He would be a solid pickup and would add some good young depth to our G/T position on the Right side, IMO.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Mack_20

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    It would add some depth, but I highly doubt TT wastes any time on him. I would like to see him at least entertain it, but then again, he never really entertains any Free Agents that could help us..
     
  3. PackersRS

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    I honestly think we're set at the OL (I can't believe I've said that!).

    Well, if a pro-bowler young OL gets on the market, I'd want the Packers to look at him, but that's not the case...
     
  4. Mack_20

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    yeah thats very true, I don't feel Lutui has much to offer, and I also agree (fingers crossed) that we have solidified our OLine finally!
     
  5. ivo610

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    I think we might need another Tackle. Not sure if Bryan is the future at LT, RT, or G
     
  6. SpartaChris

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    Charles Woodson, Ryan Pickett, Ryan Grant. Had a deal done for Tony Gonzales before KC jerked us around on it by upping the asking price after agreeing in principle.

    But no, he doesn't *ever* participate in free agency.
     
  7. Mack_20

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    Alright yeah he has made a few good moves, but he rarely makes any in free agency. thats three players in free agency since 2005.. wow, thats a ton.. I will give him credit for those he has picked up, but if you really believe he doese enough in FA you're fooling yourself..
     
  8. SpartaChris

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    Right, because being heavily involved in free agency guarantees championships. Ask the Redskins how that's turned out.

    See Colts, Indianapolis, Patriots, New England or Saints, New Orleans.
     
  9. PackersRS

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    I disagree with the Saints.

    But it's the exception of the rule...
     
  10. ivo610

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    Darren Sharper you mean? I cant remember if they signed more than that. I think it was the addition of the D cord more than anyone else
     
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    Drew Brees - was a big name player acquired via FA.
    Johnathon Vilma - acquired through trade with Jets.
    Darren Sharper - Same as Brees.
    Anthony Hargrove - Not a well known player but a key FA pickup.
    Remi Ayodele - Same as Hargrove.
    Jabari Greer - Big FA signing although some disagree.
    Randall Gay - Highly touted FA signing.

    So there you guy, some small name FA but some big names as well. As you can see the Saints rely a lot of FA.
     
  12. PackersRS

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    This.

    They didn't spend big in their SB season, though, which to me is a key factor: I think NEVER a team that spent big in FA won a SB, not in the same year.

    And the only teams that I remember that adquired a big FA and went to win a SB with the guy are Brees in NO and Reggie in GB...

    Moreso, of the last 10 SB winners, I can only remember 1 or 2 that were built through FA, or that even used FA consistantly.

    But NO did, and won it.
     
  13. SpartaChris

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    OK, my bad on the Saints. I didn't realize they were that active in FA. But again, exception to the rule. The more successful teams build through the draft and supplement with free agency, which is precisely what we've done. We don't need to sign one or two big name free agents every single off season to compete. We've proven the strategy we employ is working.
     
  14. A12ROD903

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    With the draft and signing UFA's I believe I read or heard we dont have any more roster space for the time being so I dont think we can sign anyone until people get released. Plus, how many OL did we draft??? This isnt try-outs for little league or pop warner.....
     
  15. DTown SBrown

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    they did bring in some during the season though, remember they were so thin at db at one point they brought in 4-5 in one week if I recall
     
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    I was referring to this past season, not the whole roster. I mean if we win the SB are we going to talk about how we build through FA and trade? Woodson, Harris, Chillar, Grant, Kuhn, Pickett, ect? No of course not. Its just stupid to portray it like that.

    The biggest addition that team had to vault the from 8-8 (or something close to that) to the SB and a dominate team was the Defensive cord. too bad he never came to GB for an interview like he planned.
     
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    Well, the Foreskins are a big player in FA and look where it has landed them, Nadaville. They are already looking to pedal their 100 million dollar D tackle back to the Titans from whence he came.

    And besides, TT has participated in FA. Lets see, Clifton, Tausher, Collins, Pickett. He just focuses on the talent he knows rather than those he doesn't.:fan_1:
     
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    Dallas routinely spends a lot on free agency too, and look what that's got them- 1 playoff win in 13 seasons.

    The fact is you don't need to do a ton of free agency acquisitions to field a good, competitive team. We proved that in 2007 when we went to the NFC CG, and we proved it again last season when we made the playoffs with a QB starting only his second season.
     
  19. DTown SBrown

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    The only flaw in that logic is the same as those who say we need to sign bunches of FAs: we cannot say that building through the draft alone will get us there. Why? Because each year is different, with different players, GMs, coaches, continuity, chemistry, etc.

    The overall reflection being that it takes all aspects of the game (hence the use of all as a standard) to give each team the BEST opportunity to negate the unexpected and make a push for a trophy. Even if we sign a bunch of FAs, we are not guaranteed a SB. Even if we build through the draft only, we are not a lock. It takes a precise mix and a LOT of luck to get there.

    Teams DO win with a bunch of FA signings; just look at US in 1997.
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    Age Yrs GS Summary of Player Stats Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) Offensive Starters


    Complete Team Stats QB Brett Favre*+ 27 5 16 325 for 543, 3,899 yards, 39 td, 13 int, & 49 rushes for 136 yards and 2 td Atlanta Falcons / 2nd / 33rd pick / 1991
    RB Edgar Bennett 27 4 15 222 rushes for 899 yards, 2 td, & 31 catches for 176 yards and 1 td Green Bay Packers / 4th / 103rd pick / 1992
    FB William Henderson 25 1 11 39 rushes for 130 yards, 0 td, & 27 catches for 203 yards and 1 td Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 66th pick / 1995
    WR Robert Brooks 26 4 7 23 catches for 344 yards, 4 td, & 4 rushes for 2 yards and 0 td Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 62nd pick / 1992
    WR Antonio Freeman 24 1 12 56 catches for 933 yards, 9 td Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 90th pick / 1995
    WR Don Beebe 32 7 6 39 catches for 699 yards, 4 td Buffalo Bills / 3rd / 82nd pick / 1989
    WR Terry Mickens 25 2 5 18 catches for 161 yards, 2 td Green Bay Packers / 5th / 146th pick / 1994
    TE Mark Chmura 27 3 13 28 catches for 370 yards, 0 td Green Bay Packers / 6th / 157th pick / 1992
    TE Keith Jackson* 31 8 5 40 catches for 505 yards, 10 td Philadelphia Eagles / 1st / 13th pick / 1988
    LT John Michels 23 Rook 9
    Green Bay Packers / 1st / 27th pick / 1996
    LT Gary L. Brown 25 2 5
    Pittsburgh Steelers / 5th / 148th pick / 1994
    LG Aaron Taylor 24 1 16 1 fumble recovered Green Bay Packers / 1st / 16th pick / 1994
    C Frank Winters* 32 9 16 1 fumble recovered Cleveland Browns / 10th / 276th pick / 1987
    RG Adam Timmerman 25 1 16
    Green Bay Packers / 7th / 230th pick / 1995
    RT Earl Dotson 26 3 15 1 fumble recovered Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 81st pick / 1993
    Defensive Starters



    LDE Reggie White* 35 11 16 8.5 sacks, 1 interception, 3 fumbles recovered Philadelphia Eagles / 1st / 4th pick / 1984 Supp
    LDT Gilbert Brown 25 3 16 1.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Minnesota Vikings / 3rd / 79th pick / 1993
    RDT Santana Dotson 27 4 15 5.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 5th / 132nd pick / 1992
    RDE Sean Jones 34 12 15 5.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Los Angeles Raiders / 2nd / 51st pick / 1984
    LLB Wayne Simmons 27 3 16 2.5 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered Green Bay Packers / 1st / 15th pick / 1993
    MLB George Koonce 28 4 16 0.0 sacks, 3 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered
    RLB Brian M. Williams 24 1 16 0.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 3 fumbles recovered Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 73rd pick / 1995
    LCB Craig Newsome 25 1 16 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Green Bay Packers / 1st / 32nd pick / 1995
    RCB Doug Evans 26 3 16 3.0 sacks, 5 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Green Bay Packers / 6th / 141st pick / 1993
    SS LeRoy Butler*+ 28 6 16 6.5 sacks, 5 interceptions, 2 fumbles recovered Green Bay Packers / 2nd / 48th pick / 1990
    FS Eugene Robinson 33 11 16 0.0 sacks, 6 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered
    Special Teams Starters



    K Chris Jacke 30 7 0 21 of 27 field goals & 51 of 53 extra points Green Bay Packers / 6th / 142nd pick / 1989
    P Craig Hentrich 25 2 0 68 punts for a 42.4 average, 0 blocked New York Jets / 8th / 200th pick / 1993
    PR Desmond Howard 26 4 0 58 punt returns for a 15.1 average and 3 td Washington Redskins / 1st / 4th pick / 1992
    KR Desmond Howard 26 4 0 22 kick returns for a 20.9 average and 0 td Washington Redskins / 1st / 4th pick / 1992

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    No.
    Age Pos G GS Wt Ht College/Univ BirthDate Yrs Drafted (tm/rnd/yr) 50 Mike Arthur 28 C 5 0 280 6-3 Texas A&M 5/7/1968 5 Cincinnati Bengals / 5th / 130th pick / 1991
    82 Don Beebe 32 WR 16 6 185 5-11 Aurora,Chadron State,Western Illinois 12/18/1964 7 Buffalo Bills / 3rd / 82nd pick / 1989
    34 Edgar Bennett 27 RB 16 15 217 6-0 Florida State 2/15/1969 4 Green Bay Packers / 4th / 103rd pick / 1992
    22 Bucky Brooks 25 DB 2 0 192 6-0 North Carolina 1/22/1971 2 Buffalo Bills / 2nd / 48th pick / 1994
    87 Robert Brooks 26 WR 7 7 177 6-0 South Carolina 6/23/1970 4 Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 62nd pick / 1992
    68 Gary L. Brown 25 T 8 5 307 6-4 Georgia Tech 6/25/1971 2 Pittsburgh Steelers / 5th / 148th pick / 1994
    93 Gilbert Brown 25 DT 16 16 340 6-2 Kansas 2/22/1971 3 Minnesota Vikings / 3rd / 79th pick / 1993
    36 LeRoy Butler*+ 28 DB 16 16 197 6-0 Florida State 7/19/1968 6 Green Bay Packers / 2nd / 48th pick / 1990
    89 Mark Chmura 27 TE 13 13 248 6-5 Boston College 2/22/1969 3 Green Bay Packers / 6th / 157th pick / 1992
    91 Shannon Clavelle 23 DE 8 0 287 6-2 Colorado 10/12/1973 1 Buffalo Bills / 6th / 185th pick / 1995
    54 Ron Cox 28 LB 16 1 235 6-2 Fresno State 2/27/1968 6 Chicago Bears / 2nd / 33rd pick / 1990
    67 Jeff Dellenbach 33 C-T-G 3 0 290 6-6 Wisconsin 2/14/1963 11 Miami Dolphins / 4th / 111th pick / 1985
    72 Earl Dotson 26 T 15 15 315 6-4 Texas A&M-Kingsville 12/17/1970 3 Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 81st pick / 1993
    71 Santana Dotson 27 DT-DE 16 15 278 6-5 Baylor 12/19/1969 4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 5th / 132nd pick / 1992
    42 Corey Dowden 28 DB 9 0 190 5-11 Tulane 10/18/1968 Rook
    33 Doug Evans 26 DB 16 16 188 6-1 Louisiana Tech 5/13/1970 3 Green Bay Packers / 6th / 141st pick / 1993
    4 Brett Favre*+ 27 QB 16 16 225 6-2 Southern Miss 10/10/1969 5 Atlanta Falcons / 2nd / 33rd pick / 1991
    86 Antonio Freeman 24 WR 12 12 198 6-1 Virginia Tech 5/27/1972 1 Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 90th pick / 1995
    55 Bernardo Harris 25 LB 16 0 247 6-2 North Carolina 10/15/1971 1
    40 Chris Hayes 24 DB 2 0 206 6-0 Washington State 5/7/1972 Rook New York Jets / 7th / 210th pick / 1996
    30 William Henderson 25 FB 16 11 249 6-1 North Carolina 2/19/1971 1 Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 66th pick / 1995
    17 Craig Hentrich 25 P 16 0 213 6-3 Notre Dame 5/18/1971 2 New York Jets / 8th / 200th pick / 1993
    90 Darius Holland 23 DT 16 0 330 6-5 Colorado 11/10/1973 1 Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 65th pick / 1995
    56 Lamont Hollinquest 26 LB 16 0 250 6-3 USC 10/24/1970 3 Washington Redskins / 8th / 212th pick / 1993
    81 Desmond Howard 26 WR 16 0 185 5-10 Michigan 5/15/1970 4 Washington Redskins / 1st / 4th pick / 1992
    13 Chris Jacke 30 K 16 0 205 6-0 Texas-El Paso 3/12/1966 7 Green Bay Packers / 6th / 142nd pick / 1989
    88 Keith Jackson* 31 TE 16 5 250 6-2 Oklahoma 4/19/1965 8 Philadelphia Eagles / 1st / 13th pick / 1988
    32 Travis Jervey 24 RB 16 0 222 6-0 The Citadel 5/5/1972 1 Green Bay Packers / 5th / 170th pick / 1995
    27 Calvin Jones 26 RB 1 0 205 5-11 Nebraska 11/27/1970 2 Los Angeles Raiders / 3rd / 80th pick / 1994
    96 Sean Jones 34 DE 15 15 270 6-7 Northeastern 12/19/1962 12 Los Angeles Raiders / 2nd / 51st pick / 1984
    65 Lindsay Knapp 26 G 9 0 300 6-6 Notre Dame 2/25/1970 3 Kansas City Chiefs / 5th / 130th pick / 1993
    53 George Koonce 28 LB 16 16 245 6-1 Chowan,East Carolina 10/15/1968 4
    94 Bob Kuberski 25 DT 1 0 298 6-4 Navy 4/5/1971 1 Green Bay Packers / 7th / 183rd pick / 1993
    25 Dorsey Levens 26 RB 16 1 230 6-1 Georgia Tech,Notre Dame 5/21/1970 2 Green Bay Packers / 5th / 149th pick / 1994
    80 Derrick Mayes 22 WR 7 0 205 6-0 Notre Dame 1/28/1974 Rook Green Bay Packers / 2nd / 56th pick / 1996
    60 Gene McGuire 26 C 8 0 300 6-4 Notre Dame 7/17/1970 3 New Orleans Saints / 4th / 95th pick / 1992
    95 Keith McKenzie 23 DE 10 0 267 6-3 Ball State 10/17/1973 Rook Green Bay Packers / 7th / 252nd pick / 1996
    9 Jim McMahon 37 QB 5 0 195 6-1 BYU 8/21/1959 14 Chicago Bears / 1st / 5th pick / 1982
    77 John Michels 23 T 15 9 300 6-7 USC 3/19/1973 Rook Green Bay Packers / 1st / 27th pick / 1996
    85 Terry Mickens 25 WR 8 5 201 6-0 Florida A&M 2/21/1971 2 Green Bay Packers / 5th / 146th pick / 1994
    85 Anthony Morgan 29 WR 3 0 200 6-1 Tennessee 11/15/1967 5 Chicago Bears / 5th / 134th pick / 1991
    28 Roderick Mullen 24 DB 14 0 202 6-1 Grambling State 12/5/1972 1 New York Giants / 5th / 153rd pick / 1995
    21 Craig Newsome 25 DB 16 16 190 6-0 Arizona State 8/10/1971 1 Green Bay Packers / 1st / 32nd pick / 1995
    18 Doug Pederson 28 QB 1 0 220 6-3 La-Monroe 1/31/1968 3
    39 Mike Prior 33 DB 16 0 208 6-0 Illinois State 11/14/1963 11 Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 7th / 176th pick / 1985
    84 Andre Rison 29 WR 5 4 188 6-1 Michigan State 3/18/1967 7 Indianapolis Colts / 1st / 22nd pick / 1989
    41 Eugene Robinson 33 DB 16 16 200 6-1 Colgate 5/28/1963 11
    46 Mike Robinson 23 DB 6 0 192 6-1 Hampton 6/24/1973 Rook
    75 Ken Ruettgers 34 T 4 1 295 6-6 USC 8/20/1962 11 Green Bay Packers / 1st / 7th pick / 1985
    38 Brian Satterfield 27 RB 1 0 225 6-0 North Alabama 12/22/1969 Rook
    59 Wayne Simmons 27 LB 16 16 245 6-2 Clemson 12/15/1969 3 Green Bay Packers / 1st / 15th pick / 1993
    49 Kevin Smith 27 TE 1 0 255 6-4 UCLA 7/25/1969 4 Los Angeles Raiders / 7th / 185th pick / 1992
    73 Aaron Taylor 24 G 16 16 305 6-4 Notre Dame 11/14/1972 1 Green Bay Packers / 1st / 16th pick / 1994
    83 Jeff Thomason 27 TE 16 1 255 6-5 Oregon 12/30/1969 4
    63 Adam Timmerman 25 G 16 16 310 6-4 South Dakota State 8/14/1971 1 Green Bay Packers / 7th / 230th pick / 1995
    92 Reggie White* 35 DE-DT 16 16 291 6-5 Tennessee 12/19/1961 11 Philadelphia Eagles / 1st / 4th pick / 1984 Supp
    64 Bruce Wilkerson 32 T-G 14 2 295 6-5 Tennessee 7/28/1964 9 Los Angeles Raiders / 2nd / 52nd pick / 1987
    98 Gabe Wilkins 25 DE-DT 16 1 304 6-5 Gardner-Webb 9/1/1971 2 Green Bay Packers / 4th / 126th pick / 1994
    51 Brian M. Williams 24 LB 16 16 240 6-1 USC 12/17/1972 1 Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 73rd pick / 1995
    37 Tyrone Williams 23 DB 16 0 193 5-11 Nebraska 5/31/1973 Rook Green Bay Packers / 3rd / 93rd pick / 1996
    52 Frank Winters* 32 C-G 16 16 291 6-3 Western Illinois 1/23/1964 9 Cleveland Browns / 10th / 276th pick / 1987

    Team Total 27.1
    16
    243.0 6-2.2

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    Now, without going into semantics, I count 11 players who were VERY important in hindsight to getting us a SB win. THe difference? They were signed over the prior years. All this to say that FAs DO HELP win SUPERBOWLS!!!!

    I am not saying "lets sign a bunch of guys for bunches of money right now for a SB run".

    I am saying we need to continue to find those C-Woods, Picketts, and Grants, all who will get us there. We are doing a great (ok, good) job. Its now time to amp up and find the last few to push it through.

    I dont want to be the Eagles, always going to and Losing NFC Champ games. Always a bridesmaid...

    We are built NOW to get there. We need some more players, but the key is to do it when the players we HAVE are ready. I really think that it was last year, but we didnt have the line yet. If we can repeat the success of last season with a LINE and a HEALTHY Harris, I think we can make that push next season.

    Or we will continue to rebuild.
     
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    well grant is ok, Pickett just this past year became an impact player, so woodson is the only real big FA he's gotten.. dont mean to nitpick here but i wouldnt lose sleep if chillar was cut, kuhn is very expendable, and i believe harris was before TT
     
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    Yeah, I said so... And I still think if TT had done the same, we wouldn't lose to AZ (but I can't prove, so...)
    I agree.

    The thing with TT and free agency is, it's not that he doesn't use it. But he only uses it when it's monetarily advantageous to the team. He won't overpay one cent to a FA, while he absolutely will for his players.

    Though 99% of the time it's the absolute right thing to do, sometimes TT is too strict. The main cases being not bringing a FA CB last year, when 3 of our guys went down (Bell was a FA, but, again, monetary value, Chris McCalister was available...), and not signing Hunter Smith, because he wanted a multi-year deal, and TT only wanted to pay him 1 year.
     

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