Will The Packers Making the Playoffs?

[Heyjoe4]

If the Packers remain statistically the youngest team in the league it makes it difficult to get there although they have done it the last 2 years. The difference from a season ago is a much tougher schedule.

Very true. Youth, even talented youth, only takes a team so far. The addition of an ironically young and accomplished Parsons helps.

Really can't overstate how tough the schedule looks today. There are always surprises in an NFL season, some good and vice versa. But I believe all NFC North teams face similar and difficult schedules. My belief is beat em now, or lose and learn something before the playoffs. But this opener will make a huge statement, good and bad, for each team.

I'm excited that GB opens against the Lions. With just one victory, the Packers dampen the criticism from last year's conference record, and put the team in the top 5 with legitimacy after a win over the Lions.

This looks to be a great game. Can't wait!

 

[Heyjoe4]

That's a new twist on the 27 club.

Seems like a meaningful age - 27. Do you know how old Woodson was when he signed with GB. Seemed like he played at least four years in Oakland. Thanks rmontro.

 

[Voyageur]

...or not enough

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[Heyjoe4]

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Love it. Kinda like the phrase "You can never be too skinny and too rich". Words to live by.

 

[Thirteen Below]

And the absence of this chemistry partly explains why the coterie of young receivers like Reed, Doubs, Wicks, even Watson - didn't continue their growth path. And yes, injury and bad play by Love is also responsible.

I've felt all along that part of the problem was that we have too many young receivers with very similar talent and skill levels, all of them good - but none of them truly superior to the rest, so none of them really get the opportunity to step forward and separate themselves from the rest of the group. When they're all really good, it's extremely difficult for any one of them to establish himself as "the" guy who eventually shows that he's the one who deserves all the footballs.

In order to develop into "that guy", one of them really needs to be seeing a lot more targets. And that just does not happen with this situation.

I've been saying for a couple of years that for all we know, we may very well have 3, 4, or even 5 potential Donald Drivers on this squad, but we'll never know it until we trade a couple of them away, or lose them to free agency, and then watch them catch fire somewhere else. Because there are so many of them, these guys are getting 50, 60-some targets a year, and it wasn't until Driver started getting 130, 140, 170 footballs every year before he became Donald Driver.

You could maybe say the same about James "alligator arms" Jones, and several other Packer greats who sucked in their first couple of seasons - but since everyone else sucked even more, they kept seeing footballs coming at them, and they eventually got pretty damned good at their job.

We hit the jackpot in 22/23, bringing 6 or 7 really good WRs or pass-catching TEs into town through the draft or UDFA, but IMO it created an "embarrassment of riches". That's like 5 years' worth of talented recevers all showing up in the space of 2 seasons and saying, "here I am, throw me some passes."

I'm still thinking of the SB. I don't recall Philly blitzing at all. They rushed 4 with 7 in coverage. And those 4 guys gave Mahomes fits. Parsons will elevate a number of guys. The down linemen are gonna need some guys to take a step up.

I honestly don't think they ever sent more than 4 that entire game, nor do I remember them blitzing Love when we played them a few weeks earlier. They apparently did not need to. As I recall, their linebackers just dropped into coverage pretty much every damned dropback and interfered with every single pass route right from the snap.

When the other team is able to spend the entire afternoon chasing your quarterback up one side of the backfield and down the other using only 4 guys to humiliate all 5 of your offensive linemen, good freakin' luck.

Gute's answer to that has been Aaron Banks (325 lbs) and Anthony Belton (335 lbs). We shall see how that turns out.

 

[Voyageur]

I've felt all along that part of the problem was that we have too many young receivers with very similar talent and skill levels, all of them good - but none of them truly superior to the rest, so none of them really get the opportunity to step forward and separate themselves from the rest of the group. When they're all really good, it's extremely difficult for any one of them to establish himself as "the" guy who eventually shows that he's the one who deserves all the footballs.

In order to develop into "that guy", one of them really needs to be seeing a lot more targets. And that just does not happen with this situation.

I've been saying for a couple of years that for all we know, we may very well have 3, 4, or even 5 potential Donald Drivers on this squad, but we'll never know it until we trade a couple of them away, or lose them to free agency, and then watch them catch fire somewhere else. Because there are so many of them, these guys are getting 50, 60-some targets a year, and it wasn't until Driver started getting 130, 140, 170 footballs every year before he became Donald Driver.

You could maybe say the same about James "alligator arms" Jones, and several other Packer greats who sucked in their first couple of seasons - but since everyone else sucked even more, they kept seeing footballs coming at them, and they eventually got pretty damned good at their job.

We hit the jackpot in 22/23, bringing 6 or 7 really good WRs or pass-catching TEs into town through the draft or UDFA, but IMO it created an "embarrassment of riches". That's like 5 years' worth of talented recevers all showing up in the space of 2 seasons and saying, "here I am, throw me some passes."


I honestly don't think they ever sent more than 4 that entire game, nor do I remember them blitzing Love when we played them a few weeks earlier. They apparently did not need to. As I recall, their linebackers just dropped into coverage pretty much every damned dropback and interfered with every single pass route right from the snap.

When the other team is able to spend the entire afternoon chasing your quarterback up one side of the backfield and down the other using only 4 guys to humiliate all 5 of your offensive linemen, good freakin' luck.

Gute's answer to that has been Aaron Banks (325 lbs) and Anthony Belton (335 lbs). We shall see how that turns out.

I've always believed that the best pass defense in the world is a strong defensive line capable of collapsing the pocket. Where you see the top All Pro CBs and safeties you also see a pass rush that's one of the best in the league. Defensive backs can only cover receivers so long before their defense breaks down.

If you face a pass rush like that you better make sure your quick, short passing game is in top form, utilizing slants and a lot of throws to your tight ends. Using a 12 package can be very effective and that's what the Packers should be doing this year when they feel out matched on the line of scrimmage.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I've always believed that the best pass defense in the world is a strong defensive line capable of collapsing the pocket. Where you see the top All Pro CBs and safeties you also see a pass rush that's one of the best in the league. Defensive backs can only cover receivers so long before their defense breaks down.

If you face a pass rush like that you better make sure your quick, short passing game is in top form, utilizing slants and a lot of throws to your tight ends. Using a 12 package can be very effective and that's what the Packers should be doing this year when they feel out matched on the line of scrimmage.

Agreed. I think we'll see Kraft and Musgrave lining up together a lot, especially against teams like Philly with such an athletic and precision D.

And Gluten got a wake up call when Jenkins went down against Philly. Both the OL and the DL benefit from depth. Well that's stating the obvious, but it got very ugly when Jenkins left the game. Gluten patched that up with Banks and Belton.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I've felt all along that part of the problem was that we have too many young receivers with very similar talent and skill levels, all of them good - but none of them truly superior to the rest, so none of them really get the opportunity to step forward and separate themselves from the rest of the group. When they're all really good, it's extremely difficult for any one of them to establish himself as "the" guy who eventually shows that he's the one who deserves all the footballs.

In order to develop into "that guy", one of them really needs to be seeing a lot more targets. And that just does not happen with this situation.

I've been saying for a couple of years that for all we know, we may very well have 3, 4, or even 5 potential Donald Drivers on this squad, but we'll never know it until we trade a couple of them away, or lose them to free agency, and then watch them catch fire somewhere else. Because there are so many of them, these guys are getting 50, 60-some targets a year, and it wasn't until Driver started getting 130, 140, 170 footballs every year before he became Donald Driver.

You could maybe say the same about James "alligator arms" Jones, and several other Packer greats who sucked in their first couple of seasons - but since everyone else sucked even more, they kept seeing footballs coming at them, and they eventually got pretty damned good at their job.

We hit the jackpot in 22/23, bringing 6 or 7 really good WRs or pass-catching TEs into town through the draft or UDFA, but IMO it created an "embarrassment of riches". That's like 5 years' worth of talented recevers all showing up in the space of 2 seasons and saying, "here I am, throw me some passes."


I honestly don't think they ever sent more than 4 that entire game, nor do I remember them blitzing Love when we played them a few weeks earlier. They apparently did not need to. As I recall, their linebackers just dropped into coverage pretty much every damned dropback and interfered with every single pass route right from the snap.

When the other team is able to spend the entire afternoon chasing your quarterback up one side of the backfield and down the other using only 4 guys to humiliate all 5 of your offensive linemen, good freakin' luck.

Gute's answer to that has been Aaron Banks (325 lbs) and Anthony Belton (335 lbs). We shall see how that turns out.

Agreed, and in particular re: the WR situation.

I think the best-case scenario this year is that Golden, maybe Reed, emerge as real #1 WRs, getting most of the targets. Kraft and Musgrave will also see a lot of targets.

Regardless, they will benefit from an established pecking order at WR. It's rare for a rookie to have immediate success inn the NFL. I hope Golden can do it.

 

[Raleigh NC Packers Fan]

Seems to me that people are either really high or low on the Packers, either they have us as the 2nd best team in the NFC, and a super bowl contender, being the main threat to the Eagles, or they have us as a fringe playoff team.

Personally, I am thinking something along the lines of 11 to 13 wins, I'll go with 12, and the 5th or 6th seed in the NFC in the playoffs, I'll go with the 5th, at least if the Lions are as good as they were last year. I'm also predicting us to be second in the division, switching places with the Vikings. If the Lions do regress some, due to losing their coordinators and offensive lineman, I think it's a 50-50 race for the division between us and them. They did have some injuries to key players who will be back this year though, including Aiden Hutchinson. The Vikings are also hard to predict because they will have a different QB. Regardless, I do think we can beat the Vikings and match their win total because we should be an improved team.

The defense should be one of the top defenses this year, as well as one of the top pass rushes, which should be fun to watch, although I am mildly concerned about the CB room. We don't need our cornerbacks to be elite with our pass rush, but they do need to be solid. Luckily, they did play decent down the stretch last year, and of course we also added Nate Hobbs, but they do need to keep it up, and I also think we can't afford any injuries. I think our run defense should be ok, despite the losses and inexperience at nose tackle, because of our linebackers, safeties, and Jeff Hafley's play calling.

I think the wide receivers are going to be the x factor that determines how far this team goes this year. If they can eliminate the drops, stay healthy, and one or both of Golden and/or Watson can emerge as a consistent #1 big play downfield threat, then I think the sky is the limit, and we could win a super bowl this year. We would have one of the top offenses as well. Certainly, we would at least be in contention. Having Luke Musgrave breakout and the coaches getting Tucker Kraft more catches would go a long way as well.

I do think our Super bowl window is back open, depending on WR improvement and Matthew Golden being the player we all think he is capable of being. With that being said, I feel like a super bowl is more likely in 26 or 27 because the Packers are still a very young team. I could see us being this year's version of the Commanders or the Bengals from 22, a team that is a tough out, and gets hot in the playoffs.

 

[Voyageur]

Seems to me that people are either really high or low on the Packers, either they have us as the 2nd best team in the NFC, and a super bowl contender, being the main threat to the Eagles, or they have us as a fringe playoff team.

Personally, I am thinking something along the lines of 11 to 13 wins, I'll go with 12, and the 5th or 6th seed in the NFC in the playoffs, I'll go with the 5th, at least if the Lions are as good as they were last year. I'm also predicting us to be second in the division, switching places with the Vikings. If the Lions do regress some, due to losing their coordinators and offensive lineman, I think it's a 50-50 race for the division between us and them. They did have some injuries to key players who will be back this year though, including Aiden Hutchinson. The Vikings are also hard to predict because they will have a different QB. Regardless, I do think we can beat the Vikings and match their win total because we should be an improved team.

The defense should be one of the top defenses this year, as well as one of the top pass rushes, which should be fun to watch, although I am mildly concerned about the CB room. We don't need our cornerbacks to be elite with our pass rush, but they do need to be solid. Luckily, they did play decent down the stretch last year, and of course we also added Nate Hobbs, but they do need to keep it up, and I also think we can't afford any injuries. I think our run defense should be ok, despite the losses and inexperience at nose tackle, because of our linebackers, safeties, and Jeff Hafley's play calling.

I think the wide receivers are going to be the x factor that determines how far this team goes this year. If they can eliminate the drops, stay healthy, and one or both of Golden and/or Watson can emerge as a consistent #1 big play downfield threat, then I think the sky is the limit, and we could win a super bowl this year. We would have one of the top offenses as well. Certainly, we would at least be in contention. Having Luke Musgrave breakout and the coaches getting Tucker Kraft more catches would go a long way as well.

I do think our Super bowl window is back open, depending on WR improvement and Matthew Golden being the player we all think he is capable of being. With that being said, I feel like a super bowl is more likely in 26 or 27 because the Packers are still a very young team. I could see us being this year's version of the Commanders or the Bengals from 22, a team that is a tough out, and gets hot in the playoffs.

Excellent analysis.

 

[OldSchool101]

Agreed, and in particular re: the WR situation.

I think the best-case scenario this year is that Golden, maybe Reed, emerge as real #1 WRs, getting most of the targets. Kraft and Musgrave will also see a lot of targets.

Regardless, they will benefit from an established pecking order at WR. It's rare for a rookie to have immediate success inn the NFL. I hope Golden can do it.

Yes. However if Golden can’t? imo it’s because Defenses use their #1 CB on him and as many Rookies find out, it’s a big jump from College competition.
The byproduct of doing that is guys like Doubs, Reed or Wicks will be covered by the 2nd or 3rd best option and that increases success odds with them.
The ideal situation is we get a healthy Watson for 11 games because Watson and Golden simultaneously would make opponents pick their own poison.

 

[El Guapo]

Anyone changing their predictions? Clearly the media is jumping on the band wagon.

I still believe them to be a playoff team capable of going all the way, but not the top dog (yet).

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yes. However if Golden can’t? imo it’s because Defenses use their #1 CB on him and as many Rookies find out, it’s a big jump from College competition.
The byproduct of doing that is guys like Doubs, Reed or Wicks will be covered by the 2nd or 3rd best option and that increases success odds with them.
The ideal situation is we get a healthy Watson for 11 games because Watson and Golden simultaneously would make opponents pick their own poison.

It's important that Watson is available asap, especially with Reed out indefinitely. The good news is that Doubs is playing very well - he is an outstanding route runner. And Wicks is finally catching the balls thrown his way. And Kraft just continues to improve.

Heath made a great catch last night. I think he's used primarily as a blocker. He's a very physical guy. He is likely to get more targets.

Until Watson returns, they'll probably put Hardman on the 53. I'm not that impressed with him, but he did manage to get back on the PS. The receivers are diverse and talented. On most snaps, there are too many for a defense to cover. As a result, Hardman may see some targets.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Anyone changing their predictions? Clearly the media is jumping on the band wagon.

I still believe them to be a playoff team capable of going all the way, but not the top dog (yet).

I saw the Packers as a playoff team, even before the addition of Parsons. With Parsons they are a legitimate SB contender. But like every other contender, they have to stay healthy. Injuries to Reed, Tom, and Banks show how hard it is to contend for a title. And the season has just begun.

This is probably gonna be a year where the D contributes to more wins. Holding the prolific offenses of the Lions and Commanders to 31 total points is impressive.

 

[milani]

It's important that Watson is available asap, especially with Reed out indefinitely. The good news is that Doubs is playing very well - he is an outstanding route runner. And Wicks is finally catching the balls thrown his way. And Kraft just continues to improve.

Heath made a great catch last night. I think he's used primarily as a blocker. He's a very physical guy. He is likely to get more targets.

Until Watson returns, they'll probably put Hardman on the 53. I'm not that impressed with him, but he did manage to get back on the PS. The receivers are diverse and talented. On most snaps, there are too many for a defense to cover. As a result, Hardman may see some targets.

What about Melton? He finally got banged up. If it gets bad down the stretch I am not sure where they will use him in all three phases. The Browns are not very good. However, they tackle hard and can get nasty because in their division soft teams get squashed. It was 12 years ago that the Browns ended the career of Jermichael Finley with one of the dirtiest hits ever at Lambeau.

 

[gopkrs]

What about Melton? He finally got banged up. If it gets bad down the stretch I am not sure where they will use him in all three phases. The Browns are not very good. However, they tackle hard and can get nasty because in their division soft teams get squashed. It was 12 years ago that the Browns ended the career of Jermichael Finley with one of the dirtiest hits ever at Lambeau.

I was wondering how badly Melton was hurt. Obviously he was playing well in his new roll because well, he was playing.

 

[Thirteen Below]

The Browns are not very good. However, they tackle hard and can get nasty because in their division soft teams get squashed. It was 12 years ago that the Browns ended the career of Jermichael Finley with one of the dirtiest hits ever at Lambeau.

Poor bastard got a raw deal there, and a frightening experience at the hospital.

By the time he got loaded into the ambulance, media and a lot of fans figured he would be taken to St. Vincent, so when the ambulance got to the ER there was a mob. Rather than take him in through the crowd at the ER door, they took him to a back entrance, into a service area.

The room they put him in was cold, poorly lit, and dirty. The walls needed paint. He could barely breathe, not speak at all, was disoriented, paralyzed, and terrified, and he realized this didn't look anything like any hospital he'd ever seen... it looked more like a morgue. For a moment, he actually thought, "Oh my god, maybe I'm dead", and then a paramedic came back over to him and said, "Hold on, Mr. Finley, we're going to move you to a different room".

'They Basically Reset My Brain' | By Jermichael Finley

For the first time, somebody was telling me, This isn’t your fault. Something is doing this to you. And we can fix it.

www.theplayerstribune.com

 

[weeds]

Poor bastard got a raw deal there, and a frightening experience at the hospital.

By the time he got loaded into the ambulance, media and a lot of fans figured he would be taken to St. Vincent, so when the ambulance got to the ER there was a mob. Rather than take him in through the crowd at the ER door, they took him to a back entrance, into a service area.

The room they put him in was cold, poorly lit, and dirty. The walls needed paint. He could barely breathe, not speak at all, was disoriented, paralyzed, and terrified, and he realized this didn't look anything like any hospital he'd ever seen... it looked more like a morgue. For a moment, he actually thought, "Oh my god, maybe I'm dead", when a paramedic came back over to him and said, "Hold on, Mr. Finley, we're going to move you to a different room".

'They Basically Reset My Brain' | By Jermichael Finley

For the first time, somebody was telling me, This isn’t your fault. Something is doing this to you. And we can fix it.

www.theplayerstribune.com

Wow.... just wow... THAT was a powerful read - start to finish.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I was wondering how badly Melton was hurt. Obviously he was playing well in his new roll because well, he was playing.

Yeah gopkrs, I didn't even know Melton was hurt.

The injuries have come early this year, esp Tom and Reed. Although Kinnard played well in place of Tom, and Belton has talent, he just needs to learn how to play in the NFL. Getting snaps now will be helpful down the road, but I still hope Tom returns soon.

Reed is a big loss. It will probably lead to more targets for Golden. And Doubs, Wicks, Kraft, hey even Heath, are playing well.

The secondary is playing well, esp Nixon. It really helps that QBs have to release the ball so soon in the face of the Parsons and Co rush. CBs can "cheat" on routes more easily. I wouldn't be surprised to see some INTs, even a few for 6.

I haven't been this optimistic about the Packers since the 96/97 SB team. And I'm fine if GB wins more with defense this year.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Poor bastard got a raw deal there, and a frightening experience at the hospital.

By the time he got loaded into the ambulance, media and a lot of fans figured he would be taken to St. Vincent, so when the ambulance got to the ER there was a mob. Rather than take him in through the crowd at the ER door, they took him to a back entrance, into a service area.

The room they put him in was cold, poorly lit, and dirty. The walls needed paint. He could barely breathe, not speak at all, was disoriented, paralyzed, and terrified, and he realized this didn't look anything like any hospital he'd ever seen... it looked more like a morgue. For a moment, he actually thought, "Oh my god, maybe I'm dead", when a paramedic came back over to him and said, "Hold on, Mr. Finley, we're going to move you to a different room".

'They Basically Reset My Brain' | By Jermichael Finley

For the first time, somebody was telling me, This isn’t your fault. Something is doing this to you. And we can fix it.

www.theplayerstribune.com

Thanks 13. I agree with weeds, that is one "powerful read" - well said.

I was reading an article this month, I think it was in the NYTs, it basically asked how people could even watch football games, given the havoc it wreaks on the players' bodies and brains.

It's a good question. I can only speak for myself, but I think I somehow shut out those possibilities of paralysis, CTE and suicide, and having a wrecked body in the 40s - while I'm watching a game. The NFL is the most popular sport in the USA for a reason.

Anyway, enough psychology. Thanks again for this great article 13.

 

[weeds]

WILL the Packers make the playoffs? Certainly an "opinion" thread because none of us really know anything that is bankable and can only speculate. So....speculate I shall, with NO analytics or stats. Just ol' Weedsie being a nattering nabob.

Until they prove otherwise - I'm still puking a little in my mouth every time I look at last season's NFC North record of 1-5. Should have been 0-6 except for wazzizname's long fingernail field goal block against the Boors. All other circumstances of those games are moot. ...and last year's ice doesn't necessarily need to be skated on again this season.

HOWEVER ... 1-5 is 1-5. Therefore, until proven otherwise, I believe the Pack are not a bonafide playoff team. They'll bowl over the other also-rans on the schedule as they should but unless they WIN the NFC North, I don't see it. So ... let's get this rollin' in Detroit. I'd love to be wrong ... but I think after a slow start, even the Boors have a better shot of running the race out of the basement, and yeah, it'll be a 3 team race to basement in the North.

OK, so after two games ... they got it rollin' against Detroit and 2-0 is not a slow start. Neither team would be considered "also-rans". I did however prove that I don't know anything. I think that the first three regular season games should be considered the "real" pre-season for fan prognosticators too... and, for professional NFL Offensive Coordinators to find a work around this newly discovered Packer pass rush.

 

[milani]

Poor bastard got a raw deal there, and a frightening experience at the hospital.

By the time he got loaded into the ambulance, media and a lot of fans figured he would be taken to St. Vincent, so when the ambulance got to the ER there was a mob. Rather than take him in through the crowd at the ER door, they took him to a back entrance, into a service area.

The room they put him in was cold, poorly lit, and dirty. The walls needed paint. He could barely breathe, not speak at all, was disoriented, paralyzed, and terrified, and he realized this didn't look anything like any hospital he'd ever seen... it looked more like a morgue. For a moment, he actually thought, "Oh my god, maybe I'm dead", when a paramedic came back over to him and said, "Hold on, Mr. Finley, we're going to move you to a different room".

'They Basically Reset My Brain' | By Jermichael Finley

For the first time, somebody was telling me, This isn’t your fault. Something is doing this to you. And we can fix it.

www.theplayerstribune.com

I was at that game. It was a horrific take down. Looked like his head was bashed into the ground like a rock. What looked like a promising season just went over the cliff. Finley goes down. Rodgers shortly after to the Bears. We eke out the division because of Matt Flynn and one play that beat the hapless Bears. Get the 4th seed. And have to face the Niners without Clay Matthews.

 

[Voyageur]

Poor bastard got a raw deal there, and a frightening experience at the hospital.

By the time he got loaded into the ambulance, media and a lot of fans figured he would be taken to St. Vincent, so when the ambulance got to the ER there was a mob. Rather than take him in through the crowd at the ER door, they took him to a back entrance, into a service area.

The room they put him in was cold, poorly lit, and dirty. The walls needed paint. He could barely breathe, not speak at all, was disoriented, paralyzed, and terrified, and he realized this didn't look anything like any hospital he'd ever seen... it looked more like a morgue. For a moment, he actually thought, "Oh my god, maybe I'm dead", when a paramedic came back over to him and said, "Hold on, Mr. Finley, we're going to move you to a different room".

'They Basically Reset My Brain' | By Jermichael Finley

For the first time, somebody was telling me, This isn’t your fault. Something is doing this to you. And we can fix it.

www.theplayerstribune.com

This was totally off the rails wrong. Some heads should have rolled over this fiasco.

 

[OldSchool101]

This is probably gonna be a year where the D contributes to more wins. Holding the prolific offenses of the Lions and Commanders to 31 total points is impressive.

Especially considering +15 points came in the last 1-5 minutes of game clock in contests that were 14+ point spreads on our opponents final drive. Even so we allowed opponent flashy points to run the gameclock for a W. Still running 15.5 pts/GM allowed against a pair of Top 10 Offenses.

 

[OldSchool101]

One thing I’d like to add about our Passing game Receiver options. Luke Musgrave has a couple of nice catches and he’s kinda been forgotten about (likely because he’s missed lots of time). He’s a few games away from putting together a nice 4-6 catch game at 12-15 yards type game. I saw some blossoms with Luke against Washington there.

Luke is what I call a a Pseudo-Wideout. His 1.54 10-Yard split was 95%tile. He was the fastest TE tested at the Senior Bowl (exceeded 20+ MPH) and no other TE was close. Musgrave is the TE equivalent of DE, Van Ness. High ceiling, but Relatively raw.

Against Washington Luke played in just 21 snaps (30.9%) and caught 2/2 for 36 yards 18.0 yard/catch. He’d 3/3 (100%) on the season. I think he’s one answer if we do more 12 Personnel. He’s proving he belongs on the field at minimum.