what would you trade for Richard Sherman?

[Deleted member 6794]

https://fansided.com/2017/04/13/nfl-rumors-richard-sherman-marshawn-lynch-package-deal/

Do not know if this holds merit, but alas, this is a message board. What are your thoughts of a package deal for Lynch and Sherman, GB has the cap room, and it would really be interesting, yet, this is a thought not a will happen...

I would rather prefer the Packers to add another running back through the draft.

 

[PackerDNA]

Lynch has expressed interest in only the Raiders, and in recent days, the Patriots.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

https://fansided.com/2017/04/13/nfl-rumors-richard-sherman-marshawn-lynch-package-deal/

Do not know if this holds merit, but alas, this is a message board. What are your thoughts of a package deal for Lynch and Sherman, GB has the cap room, and it would really be interesting, yet, this is a thought not a will happen...

I jokingly tossed that out the other day somewhere here. But I agree with Captain, I liked Lynch and the Packers way back when the Bills were shopping him in 2010, but I think his ship has sailed.

This article today makes it sound like he is one step closer to returning.

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/13/1...e-reinstatement-nfl-raiders-seahawks-comeback

 

[sschind]

Another player may be closer to what Ted looks for. The Titans just cut Jason McCourty. 8 year veteran slated to make 7 million this year and they couldn't agree to a restructure. I know nothing about JM ( I was thinking about his brother who plays for the Patriots) but it may be a partial solution. He was cut so there is the comp pick factor but he is an unrestricted free agent. Certainly not on Sherman's level but much closer to the type of guy Ted likes to pick up. I don't know how much of an upgrade he may be though.

I do have a question about his contract though. He was slated to make 7 million in salary this year with no bonus money due him. the titans just knocked 7 mil off their cap but now that he is a free agent does his contract follow him. I don't think it does, that's just for players who go through waivers if I am not mistaken.

Chances are he may want to go to NE to line up next to his brother so we may be fighting BB again if we are even interested.

 

[PackerDNA]

F**k the comp picks, get players.

 

[PackerDNA]

sschind- he now has no contract; the Packers wouldn't be on the hook for any of his old one.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Another player may be closer to what Ted looks for. The Titans just cut Jason McCourty. 8 year veteran slated to make 7 million this year and they couldn't agree to a restructure. I know nothing about JM ( I was thinking about his brother who plays for the Patriots) but it may be a partial solution. He was cut so there is the comp pick factor but he is an unrestricted free agent. Certainly not on Sherman's level but much closer to the type of guy Ted likes to pick up. I don't know how much of an upgrade he may be though.

I do have a question about his contract though. He was slated to make 7 million in salary this year with no bonus money due him. the titans just knocked 7 mil off their cap but now that he is a free agent does his contract follow him. I don't think it does, that's just for players who go through waivers if I am not mistaken.

Chances are he may want to go to NE to line up next to his brother so we may be fighting BB again if we are even interested.

Jason McCourty would be free to negotiate any terms with another team, once he clears waivers.

He wouldn't count against the comp picks, which we are still over the +4 count anyway.

McCourty was given a 74.1 grade by Pro Football Focus last season. That’s higher than any corner currently on the Packers’ roster. Maybe worth looking at if he clears waivers.

 

[Zartan]

Maybe a 2nd Round Draft pick. I'd trade a high pick for proven talent as recently the first round picks havent been working out in our favor.

 

[sschind]

F**k the comp picks, get players.

I agree 100%. I know a lot of people will disagree with me but IMO a lot of people overestimate the amount of importance Ted puts into it as well. I'm not saying it isn't a factor but I doubt it would be the deciding factor. If Ted doesn't think a guy will help he won't sign him just because he won't cost a comp pick and if he thinks a guy can help costing a comp pick isn't going to be a big factor in getting it done.

sschind- he now has no contract; the Packers wouldn't be on the hook for any of his old one.

Thanks, That's what I thought in his case since he has more than 4 years service. He is considered a vested veteran and his release is an outright release. Players with less than 4 years must go through the waiver system and their contracts are assumed by any team picking them up do I have that right?

 

[sschind]

Jason McCourty would be free to negotiate any terms with another team, once he clears waivers.

He wouldn't count against the comp picks, which we are still over the +4 count anyway.

McCourty was given a 74.1 grade by Pro Football Focus last season. That’s higher than any corner currently on the Packers’ roster. Maybe worth looking at if he clears waivers.

I don't think he has to clear waivers since he is a vested veteran (4 years accrued service) At least that's how I understand it. Less than 4 years they do and if claimed the contract goes with them. If they are not claimed the contract is essentially voided and they can sign with anyone.

Sometimes it takes a little clarification with this sort of stuff.

 

[sschind]

Maybe a 2nd Round Draft pick. I'd trade a high pick for proven talent as recently the first round picks havent been working out in our favor.

Since our second round picks are working out better for us than our firsts maybe it would be better to trade our first and keep our second

 

[Poppa San]

I read an article about that but saw it being spelled out as follows:

In this hypothetical deal, the Seahawks send Sherman to the Patriots, the Patriots send Garoppolo to the Browns, and the Browns send the No. 12 overall pick plus a conditional fourth-round pick to the Seahawks as well as the No. 33 overall pick to the Patriots.

I would call the Patriots the winner of that type of deal (Sherman AND a #33 for Garoppolo). I also doubt the Seahawks would spend a #12 on Forrest Lamp.

And just why would Cleveland give up a #1, #2, & #4 to get a guy now they could have gotten earlier and rejected for like just a #1 & #3 IIRC. The Garrapolo reported price was never a 1 & 2 that I've seen. Take the #33 out of the scenario and I'd believe it is possible.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

And just why would Cleveland give up a #1, #2, & #4 to get a guy now they could have gotten earlier and rejected for like just a #1 & #3 IIRC. The Garrapolo reported price was never a 1 & 2 that I've seen. Take the #33 out of the scenario and I'd believe it is possible.

Don't shoot the messenger....I just report as I read them

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/n...-sherman-to-patriots-in-wild-three-way-trade/

But I would agree with you, it doesn't sound like it would be a deal for Cleveland, but then again....its Cleveland.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I don't think he has to clear waivers since he is a vested veteran (4 years accrued service) At least that's how I understand it. Less than 4 years they do and if claimed the contract goes with them. If they are not claimed the contract is essentially voided and they can sign with anyone.

Sometimes it takes a little clarification with this sort of stuff.

I wasn't sure about that either and tried to find something to indicate what his status was, but what you said makes sense. Given he was due to make $7M and refused to renegotiate, you have to wonder what the guy and his agent thinks he is worth. Just another CB that most likely won't end up in GB.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Maybe a 2nd Round Draft pick. I'd trade a high pick for proven talent as recently the first round picks havent been working out in our favor.

Why are you reluctant to trade the Packers' first round pick for a proven veteran when you correctly point out that the team hasn't had a ton of success with player selected in the top 32 recently???

 

[armand34]

I hate that player, please GB do not make this move

 

[thequick12]

Why are you reluctant to trade the Packers' first round pick for a proven veteran when you correctly point out that the team hasn't had a ton of success with player selected in the top 32 recently???

the evidence shows that it's a much smarter move to trade a late first round pick for a proven player rather than gamble on a player who may never play in the nfl. put it like this which of TT first round picks would you rather have than Sherman. Rodgers and matthews maybe perry, dix and Bulaga but thats prob a reach. definitely not Jones, randall, hawk, Raji, Harrell, or sherodd. So at best TT has been a bit under 50 percent and in my opinion he has only picked one player that is better than Sherman, Rodgers and one that is equal matthews. seems like a no Brainerd to trade 29 for sherman as its a near certainty TT won't select a player as good as him

 

[Deleted member 6794]

the evidence shows that it's a much smarter move to trade a late first round pick for a proven player rather than gamble on a player who may never play in the nfl.

Absolutely agreed that it should be a no brainer to trade a first round pick for Sherman but to be fair nearly every prospect selected within the top 32 end up at least playing in the league.

 

[RRyder]

Interesting article at www.cbssports.com today. Seems word is a 3 way trade is brewing between the Pats, Browns and Hawks. Pats get Sherman and the #33 pick, Seahawks get the #12 pick( which they turn into Forrest Lamp), and the Browns get Garrapolo.

There is no way even the Browns are dumb enough to give #12, #33 and a conditional pick for Jimmy Garrapolo. Just none.

This isn't even a rumor and just a writer spit balling. I would say fake news but the article is listed as a mock scenerio

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Absolutely agreed that it should be a no brainer to trade a first round pick for Sherman but to be fair nearly every prospect selected within the top 32 end up at least playing in the league.

Sherman has two years left on his contract and is angling for a new one, so he'd take a healthy bite out of your salary cap. I know Green Bay has some money to spend but my sense is that a chunk of it is earmarked for next year's pending free agents that Ted wants to resign/extend. I don't see the Pack going after Sherman.

I also don't think you'd have to part with a first-rounder to get him. Seattle has been dangling him for awhile now with no takers, so the asking-price has likely dropped a bit. Still, I don't see him coming to Titletown.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There is no way even the Browns are dumb enough to give #12, #33 and a conditional pick for Jimmy Garrapolo. Just none.

This isn't even a rumor and just a writer spit balling. I would say fake news but the article is listed as a mock scenerio

While I agree with you on the "writer spit balling" and just trying to grab a headline, I wouldn't put it past the Browns to do something like this. They are bound, determined and desperate to land a Franchise QB and they are also a team that just paid $18M for what amounts to a 2nd round pick (and Brock Osweiler). Nothing happening over there in Cleveland would surprise me much.

 

[Mondio]

I think getting the 2nd rounder was a good move for them. they keep him around for a year and cut him when they need the cap space. He fills 2 purposes right now. He brought them a very valuable pick, and he eats up some cap space they need to spend and when it's necessary he can be cut to give that money to people that have earned it. They have a real potential to amass some young talent over the next season or 2. I don't think they're going to blow it on a trade for JG.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Sherman has two years left on his contract and is angling for a new one, so he'd take a healthy bite out of your salary cap. I know Green Bay has some money to spend but my sense is that a chunk of it is earmarked for next year's pending free agents that Ted wants to resign/extend. I don't see the Pack going after Sherman.

I also don't think you'd have to part with a first-rounder to get him. Seattle has been dangling him for awhile now with no takers, so the asking-price has likely dropped a bit. Still, I don't see him coming to Titletown.

While all that could be true about the price for Sherman, what some people are forgetting here is that Seattle isn't being forced into trading Sherman. They can still keep him if nobody meets the price that they think he is worth. Yes, that will require some mending of the fences between Sherman and Seattle, but I don't see that as a big obstacle. I still don't see Sherman being traded, unless the Seahawks get near their perceived full value for him. What that price is has been speculated daily by most everyone in the media, but never confirmed by Seattle themselves. Given that he is still available, one has to assume that the asking price is higher than any team is willing to pay. Given that TT wasn't even rumored to be going after any of the top FA CB's, which wouldn't have cost him anything but a "negative one" against the compensatory picks, I don't see him going after Sherman and having to part with picks/players to do it.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think getting the 2nd rounder was a good move for them. they keep him around for a year and cut him when they need the cap space. He fills 2 purposes right now. He brought them a very valuable pick, and he eats up some cap space they need to spend and when it's necessary he can be cut to give that money to people that have earned it. They have a real potential to amass some young talent over the next season or 2. I don't think they're going to blow it on a trade for JG.

Based on Cleveland's failures in the draft, I wouldn't agree. If I was a Browns fan, I would have rather seen that cap money spent on a proven FA and not a second round pick. People pick on TT once in awhile for his draft busts, but Cleveland ineptness in the draft makes Teddy look like a savant. Of course, Cleveland's ability to find a proven FA to use that money on, could be questioned as well.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Sherman has two years left on his contract and is angling for a new one, so he'd take a healthy bite out of your salary cap. I know Green Bay has some money to spend but my sense is that a chunk of it is earmarked for next year's pending free agents that Ted wants to resign/extend. I don't see the Pack going after Sherman.

I also don't think you'd have to part with a first-rounder to get him. Seattle has been dangling him for awhile now with no takers, so the asking-price has likely dropped a bit. Still, I don't see him coming to Titletown.

I don't expect Thompson to trade for Sherman either but there's no doubt the Packers could afford to acquire him based on available cap space.