what would you trade for Richard Sherman?

[Dantés]

Based on Cleveland's failures in the draft, I wouldn't agree. If I was a Browns fan, I would have rather seen that cap money spent on a proven FA and not a second round pick. People pick on TT once in awhile for his draft busts, but Cleveland ineptness in the draft makes Teddy look like a savant. Of course, Cleveland's ability to find a proven FA to use that money on, could be questioned as well.

The problem with that is that they have/had more cap space than they could ever hope to use. They were never going to spend it all. So why not use some of it to acquire another high pick?

That's often a problem for these really awful teams. They have all the money in the world once they start rebuilding, but most veterans don't want to play for them.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's often a problem for these really awful teams. They have all the money in the world once they start rebuilding, but most veterans don't want to play for them.

I agree, its a conundrum for a team like Cleveland, you suck at drafting and you aren't a desired team to attract FA's. However, much like the Packers and Ron Wolf did it in the 90's, I think you almost have to roll the dice on player trades and a few big FA signings and hope they can kick start the team, instead of trying to do it just through the draft.

 

[Dantés]

I agree, its a conundrum for a team like Cleveland, you suck at drafting and you aren't a desired team to attract FA's. However, much like the Packers and Ron Wolf did it in the 90's, I think you almost have to roll the dice on player trades and a few big FA signings and hope they can kick start the team, instead of trying to do it just through the draft.

Seems that Jamie Collins fits that mold no?

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I don't expect Thompson to trade for Sherman either but there's no doubt the Packers could afford to acquire him based on available cap space.

As I said, the Packers have the money, but I believe they plan on using it on resigning some of their own. Another factor is that Sherman only has two years left on his deal, and GB can drat a guy and have him for 4 or 5 years depending on the round. Ted prefers those kind of deals.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

While all that could be true about the price for Sherman, what some people are forgetting here is that Seattle isn't being forced into trading Sherman. They can still keep him if nobody meets the price that they think he is worth. Yes, that will require some mending of the fences between Sherman and Seattle, but I don't see that as a big obstacle. I still don't see Sherman being traded, unless the Seahawks get near their perceived full value for him. What that price is has been speculated daily by most everyone in the media, but never confirmed by Seattle themselves. Given that he is still available, one has to assume that the asking price is higher than any team is willing to pay. Given that TT wasn't even rumored to be going after any of the top FA CB's, which wouldn't have cost him anything but a "negative one" against the compensatory picks, I don't see him going after Sherman and having to part with picks/players to do it.

Seattle is shopping him around for a reason - I believe they've decided he's getting too expensive, and while still a top corner, his skills are starting to diminish a bit. They see this as a good time to get out from underneath his contract and spend the money elsewhere. Any team interested in Sherman should consider those calculations.

 

[Mondio]

Based on Cleveland's failures in the draft, I wouldn't agree. If I was a Browns fan, I would have rather seen that cap money spent on a proven FA and not a second round pick. People pick on TT once in awhile for his draft busts, but Cleveland ineptness in the draft makes Teddy look like a savant. Of course, Cleveland's ability to find a proven FA to use that money on, could be questioned as well.

maybe, but then they have new guys running the show. Maybe they'll be as bad as the last guys, but on the surface they appear to be going about it the right way. How many picks did they have last year? 14? Maybe they find nobody. Maybe those young guys start to become something. They have 11 more this year with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds.

They could build their own team and a very solid one with just these 2 drafts. Their plan is obviously to grow a team they can maintain, not buy one which might win them some games in the short term, but will probably leave them woefully short of any long term goals because they don't have the base of players to add FA's to. They'll have some star players with nobody but youth around them and by the time the youth develops their FA's will be done and they can start the process over. Of course if they don't make the right picks none of it matters and there isn't much of a history with these guys considering they're fairly new.

 

[PackerDNA]

There is no way even the Browns are dumb enough to give #12, #33 and a conditional pick for Jimmy Garrapolo. Just none.

This isn't even a rumor and just a writer spit balling. I would say fake news but the article is listed as a mock scenerio

Although another article a few weeks ago named 'sources' -take it as you will- that had the Browns sending #'s 12 and 33 this year, and 2 seconds next years for him.
One thing for sure; the Browns want him, but the Pats are reluctant to trade him, feeling he's good insurance if Brady goes down, and that they could get as much or more for him next year if their price isn't met in the next week.

 

[sschind]

I wasn't sure about that either and tried to find something to indicate what his status was, but what you said makes sense. Given he was due to make $7M and refused to renegotiate, you have to wonder what the guy and his agent thinks he is worth. Just another CB that most likely won't end up in GB.

Honestly I don't know that he refused. I think it said they couldn't agree and its not quite the same. I don't want to make him sound like he's a diva or anything.

 

[sschind]

maybe, but then they have new guys running the show. Maybe they'll be as bad as the last guys, but on the surface they appear to be going about it the right way. How many picks did they have last year? 14? Maybe they find nobody. Maybe those young guys start to become something. They have 11 more this year with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds.

They could build their own team and a very solid one with just these 2 drafts. Their plan is obviously to grow a team they can maintain, not buy one which might win them some games in the short term, but will probably leave them woefully short of any long term goals because they don't have the base of players to add FA's to. They'll have some star players with nobody but youth around them and by the time the youth develops their FA's will be done and they can start the process over. Of course if they don't make the right picks none of it matters and there isn't much of a history with these guys considering they're fairly new.

14 last year? 11 this year and 11 more next year. If these new guys have their heads on straight they could do some serious damage and they made some positive moves in FA as well. If they hit on even 1/4 of these guys look out. Of course if they do they will need every bit of their salary cap space to keep them around when the time comes.

 

[sschind]

Although another article a few weeks ago named 'sources' -take it as you will- that had the Browns sending #'s 12 and 33 this year, and 2 seconds next years for him.
One thing for sure; the Browns want him, but the Pats are reluctant to trade him, feeling he's good insurance if Brady goes down, and that they could get as much or more for him next year if their price isn't met in the next week.

I really hope they don't give up that much for him (4 picks) I like the direction the Browns are taking and I'd like to see them try to capitalize in the draft rather than give up too much to get JG. So they don't take a QB this year, I understand there are a few pretty good ones coming out next year and they might have the #1 pick again.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

That's often a problem for these really awful teams. They have all the money in the world once they start rebuilding, but most veterans don't want to play for them.

I truly believe that most players sign with the team offering the most money.

Another factor is that Sherman only has two years left on his deal, and GB can drat a guy and have him for 4 or 5 years depending on the round.

It's probable a draft pick will never develop into an elite cornerback like Sherman though.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly I don't know that he refused. I think it said they couldn't agree and its not quite the same. I don't want to make him sound like he's a diva or anything.

Really just semantics between "refused" and "rejected" is all. I wasn't trying to imply the Diva status at all. Since McCourty was under contract for 1 more year, he had most of the power in the situation. He could accept a pay cut and a reworked contract or he could reject/refuse any new offer by the Titans and let the chips fall as they may, Titans only choice at that point was to pay him or cut him.

I was going to mention that this might be the situation the Packers are/could be in with both Matthews and Cobb (really any player under contract) in the very near future, but I'm afraid some people might call Clay a Diva if he chose the same path McCourty did.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

I truly believe that most players sign with the team offering the most money.



It's probable a draft pick will never develop into an elite cornerback like Sherman though.

Absolutely, it's a roll of the dice. It's also possible that Sherman's decline accelerates, or that he gets hurt. It's all a roll of the dice. Ted normally goes the safer route of betting on draft picks who won't garner a mega-contract that Sherman wants.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Absolutely, it's a roll of the dice. It's also possible that Sherman's decline accelerates, or that he gets hurt. It's all a roll of the dice. Ted normally goes the safer route of betting on draft picks who won't garner a mega-contract that Sherman wants.

Mostly Thompson is right about taking the safer route. Unfortunately he diesn't take enough risks though to address obvious weaknesses on the roster.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Mostly Thompson is right about taking the safer route. Unfortunately he diesn't take enough risks though to address obvious weaknesses on the roster.

Yes, Ted does not gamble often. He took a modest risk with Charles Woodson and also with Julius Peppers, and those worked out pretty well. This year it's Martellus Bennett, and that looks like a good bet. Sherman is far riskier because of what you would have to commit both in terms of compensation to the Seahawks and to Sherman himself, so I don't expect Ted to go that route.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yes, Ted does not gamble often. He took a modest risk with Charles Woodson and also with Julius Peppers, and those worked out pretty well. This year it's Martellus Bennett, and that looks like a good bet. Sherman is far riskier because of what you would have to commit both in terms of compensation to the Seahawks and to Sherman himself, so I don't expect Ted to go that route.

I just keep falling back on the notion that if TT perceived a need for a player like Sherman (top CB), it would have cost him less to have gone the FA route and he would have done so. The only thing that changes that is if TT has just been biding his time to find a #1 CB and Sherman becomes that bargain he was looking for.

 

[PackerDNA]

I really hope they don't give up that much for him (4 picks) I like the direction the Browns are taking and I'd like to see them try to capitalize in the draft rather than give up too much to get JG. So they don't take a QB this year, I understand there are a few pretty good ones coming out next year and they might have the #1 pick again.

It's a tough call. if they got him at that price and he's a bust to average QB, they get hurt.
However, if he turns out to be a franchise QB, then a first and three seconds spread over two years is a steal. They'll need to be really, really sure.

 

[brandon2348]

It's not gonna happen. It's just another pipe dream and TT probably isn't even in contact with the Seahawks in regards to Sherman.

We're stuck with the guys we have and hoping they improve. Pokerbrat is right and TT somehow thinks a no.1 corner is on the roster already. In his stubborn mind his *** has already made a maximum investment to the position. I wouldn't be surprised if corner isn't a addressed until the mid rounds of the draft either. There appears to be no plan B in sight other then just throwing overmatched corners into the battle all season long hoping for the best.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Personally I think as each year we fail to get the success, the less the free agents will feel like coming here and playing in the cold.

 

[brandon2348]

Personally I think as each year we fail to get the success, the less the free agents will feel like coming here and playing in the cold.

This falls in line with things "heading in the wrong direction" as i've been posting about for months now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Personally I think as each year we fail to get the success, the less the free agents will feel like coming here and playing in the cold.

A Super Bowl is rarely played.....in the cold.

That idea has been thrown around for years, whether players want to come to Green Bay because of the cold (doesn't stop them from going to New England) or the small town city environment. I really haven't seen a lot written about players actually coming out and saying it was a major factor in their decision.

Of course, that could all change if the Packers become the Cleveland Browns in terms of success.

 

[PikeBadger]

maybe, but then they have new guys running the show. Maybe they'll be as bad as the last guys, but on the surface they appear to be going about it the right way. How many picks did they have last year? 14? Maybe they find nobody. Maybe those young guys start to become something. They have 11 more this year with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds.

They could build their own team and a very solid one with just these 2 drafts. Their plan is obviously to grow a team they can maintain, not buy one which might win them some games in the short term, but will probably leave them woefully short of any long term goals because they don't have the base of players to add FA's to. They'll have some star players with nobody but youth around them and by the time the youth develops their FA's will be done and they can start the process over. Of course if they don't make the right picks none of it matters and there isn't much of a history with these guys considering they're fairly new.

Agree. I'm withholding judgment on Cleveland for now. I think they may be on the right path. If they can put a decent QB on the field and have some good coaching their future is brighter imo than about 15 franchises I can think of.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

That was another point I was trying to make. Give the free agents a reason to come here with the CHANCE of winning a SB and they might overlook the inclement weather conditions, but we`ve done nothing but dissolve when we need to get it done over the past few years.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Cleveland Browns in the last 40 years:

• 10 season above .500
• 13 playoff games
• 4 playoff wins

I would have a hard time getting myself pumped up as a Browns fan.

 

[I asked LT to delete my acct]

Cleveland Browns in the last 40 years:

• 10 season above .500
• 13 playoff games
• 4 playoff wins

I would have a hard time getting myself pumped up as a Browns fan.

Well you certainly couldn`t call their fans glory hunters !