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It was an awful ceremonial pitch. The worst I've seen. The only way this pitch could have been worse is if there was an actual batter and Willis hit him.

And it hurts even more because Willis is a QB, where throwing accuracy is kinda important......

Anyway, it's nothing more than a joke video now for "Worst Ceremonial Pitch Ever".

I wish Willis a long and successful career in Miami. No joking.
 

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I recall in 2011 we used back up Matt Flynn to play the last of our 15-1 season. He set a record that day. T
The Seahawks were in need of a QB so they signed Flynn for a hefty sum. However, Russell Wilson beat him out for the starting job. Flynn came back to GB in 2013 when Rodgers broke his collarbone.
I hope it works for Willis.
Another great bit of history milani, thanks!

I forgot that Flynn lost the starting job in Seattle to Wilson, and then later returned to GB.

And I hope Willis has a great career as a starter, as long as he's not playing the Packers. He will certainly be missed.
 

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Much like Favre, Rodgers and Love were early in their careers. ;)

I think the point that some of us are trying to make is that he was on a crappy team in Tennessee. Not that great of players around him and not very good coaches. Not to mention that is the worst situation for a rookie to be thrown in to. Had he gotten better coaching, better teammates and some patience, the Titans might not be in the mess that they are still in.
It seems like some teams are always stuck in the same gear (reverse) as the Titans - the Raiders, Browns and Jets come to mind immediately. They just never, ever get unstuck.

I sorta feel bad for first overall pick, Mendoza, going to the Raiders. He looks like he'll be a very good NFL QB (well, for now) and he's not gonna get much in the way of coaching/mentoring in that hellhole.
 

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lol guys Malik was overwhelmed and not good in Tennessee. Plain and simple.

It’s okay to admit he was. It doesn’t change how good he has become. He was terrible early in his career.
I was living in CA, just outside of SF when Rodgers was drafted. In that market, I got to see a lot of Cal games.

I did not like Rodgers' form as a passer. He held the ball up high, right against the earhole on the helmet. It looked very awkward and inefficient. He was effective nonetheless and Cal had a good team with Rodgers. I just never thought he'd do well in the NFL.

Another example of "first thought wrong" - and also to your point - college play alone isn't a reliable predictor of NFL results.
 

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It seems like some teams are always stuck in the same gear (reverse) as the Titans - the Raiders, Browns and Jets come to mind immediately. They just never, ever get unstuck.

I sorta feel bad for first overall pick, Mendoza, going to the Raiders. He looks like he'll be a very good NFL QB (well, for now) and he's not gonna get much in the way of coaching/mentoring in that hellhole.
I don't know about the coaching but I would not expect him to play right away. I think that's why they got Cousins. That would give them a little time to beef up the offense for the young QB
 

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I don't know about the coaching but I would not expect him to play right away. I think that's why they got Cousins. That would give them a little time to beef up the offense for the young QB
Totally agree @gopkrs

If Cousins struggles the 1st month of the season, I could see them working Mendoza in for the last half season, but Cousins should be the starter game 1
 

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Totally agree @gopkrs

If Cousins struggles the 1st month of the season, I could see them working Mendoza in for the last half season, but Cousins should be the starter game 1

Yeah, the Raiders are once again in full rebuild mode and will be vying with the Dolphins and Titans for that #1 pick in the 2027 draft again. No need to rush Mendoza in as the starter. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he started to get some second half action and some starts about mid-season. Probably home games, when the environment and team they are facing is most favorable to start a rookie QB.
 

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Totally agree @gopkrs

If Cousins struggles the 1st month of the season, I could see them working Mendoza in for the last half season, but Cousins should be the starter game 1
Cousins will have to be courageous. I do not think his O line was very good in Atlanta. And facing Denver, KC, and the Chargers pass rushes twice will not help him age slowly.
 

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I don't know about the coaching but I would not expect him to play right away. I think that's why they got Cousins. That would give them a little time to beef up the offense for the young QB
Thanks gopkrs. I just saw that the Raiders signed Cousins. Smart move to let him start while Mendoza learns. Throwing a rookie QB into the fire of the NFL, even a very good QB like Mendoza, is not good.
 

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I did not like Rodgers' form as a passer. He held the ball up high, right against the earhole on the helmet. It looked very awkward and inefficient. He was effective nonetheless and Cal had a good team with Rodgers. I just never thought he'd do well in the NFL.

Another example of "first thought wrong" - and also to your point - college play alone isn't a reliable predictor of NFL results.
You weren't wrong. I remember that when Rodgers got to Green Bay, it took a full year (maybe even two years) to exorcise the demons of Jeff Tedford's coaching that had taken possession of him. A lot of people were skeptical that it was even possible, but McCarthy and Clements put in a lot of work to change his motion. Rodgers himself made a huge effort, and together they changed him into a completely different player. They all deserve a ton of credit, IMO.
 

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You weren't wrong. I remember that when Rodgers got to Green Bay, it took a full year (maybe even two years) to exorcise the demons of Jeff Tedford's coaching that had taken possession of him. A lot of people were skeptical that it was even possible, but McCarthy and Clements put in a lot of work to change his motion. Rodgers himself made a huge effort, and together they changed him into a completely different player. They all deserve a ton of credit, IMO.
Well, it's not like he was a reach. He was almost the first person taken in the draft and everyone was really surprised he wasn't and that he lasted. I think no one really needed a QB except SF that year. Just got lucky and we took him and didn't really need a QB.
 

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You weren't wrong. I remember that when Rodgers got to Green Bay, it took a full year (maybe even two years) to exorcise the demons of Jeff Tedford's coaching that had taken possession of him. A lot of people were skeptical that it was even possible, but McCarthy and Clements put in a lot of work to change his motion. Rodgers himself made a huge effort, and together they changed him into a completely different player. They all deserve a ton of credit, IMO.
He worked on his mechanics but it took some years to polish. Remember that game ending fumble in the 2009 Cardinal playoff 51-45? Was he holding the ball too high then? I did not believe he was in the midst of a full arm backswing when it occurred.
 

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If the same one I am thinking of, I thought they may have missed a facemask on the play. Memory is not what it used to be, so maybe just some homer recollection.
 

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If the same one I am thinking of, I thought they may have missed a facemask on the play. Memory is not what it used to be, so maybe just some homer recollection.
That is what they claim. But it was so fast and because the ball came out the ref just reacted to the pressure and not the contact. In 2009 they were still not protecting the QB with simple " contact " to the helmet or face mask as they did in the following decade. Whereas the roughness penalty in Detroit which precipitated Rodgers' Hail Mary was obviously and blatantly a jerk on the neck and ARod reacted to it. Maybe had Rodgers held on to the football the ref may have called the penalty in AZ.
 
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Cousins will have to be courageous. I do not think his O line was very good in Atlanta. And facing Denver, KC, and the Chargers pass rushes twice will not help him age slowly.
Just related I read that Marino actually went something like 675 passes without a Sack (don’t hold me to the number but I’m close). Rothlessberger was #2 longest streak without a Sack with 250 passes. How good was that Miami OL that’s just impressive.
 

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Just related I read that Marino actually went something like 675 passes without a Sack (don’t hold me to the number but I’m close). Rothlessberger was #2 longest streak without a Sack with 250 passes. How good was that Miami OL that’s just impressive.
Fins were very good at protecting. But Marino had a very quick release. He needed it when he beat the 85 Bears.
 
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Fins were very good at protecting. But Marino had a very quick release. He needed it when he beat the 85 Bears.
Oh yes. I think the only way you get those type records are when all the planets are aligned. The QB has to be ultra efficient on his side of that equation also. It’s just amazing to me that Dan Marino went a significant part of a 2 seasons without a Sack.

Shout out to Peyton Manning, he has SIX spots on the top 25 “least Sacked” list.

 
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You weren't wrong. I remember that when Rodgers got to Green Bay, it took a full year (maybe even two years) to exorcise the demons of Jeff Tedford's coaching that had taken possession of him. A lot of people were skeptical that it was even possible, but McCarthy and Clements put in a lot of work to change his motion. Rodgers himself made a huge effort, and together they changed him into a completely different player. They all deserve a ton of credit, IMO.
Well said 13. I was truly not surprised when Rodgers slid to #23 in the draft, even though some sports writers as having him go #1 to SF. Probably a good thing he slid. He seemed to play better with a chip on his shoulder. And gotta give TT (RIP Ted) credit for grabbing him while Favre was still playing well.

That's a formula that has worked well for GB since Harlan and Wolf came to town.
 

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I always worry there will be a pass interference but the receiver catches the ball so the ref doesn't throw the flag. Then the catch gets overturned
 

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It seems like some teams are always stuck in the same gear (reverse) as the Titans - the Raiders, Browns and Jets come to mind immediately. They just never, ever get unstuck.

I sorta feel bad for first overall pick, Mendoza, going to the Raiders. He looks like he'll be a very good NFL QB (well, for now) and he's not gonna get much in the way of coaching/mentoring in that hellhole.
Bad Management...... all off them. Success and failure of any organization always, always, always lays at the feet of any organization's top management.
 

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Another great bit of history milani, thanks!

I forgot that Flynn lost the starting job in Seattle to Wilson, and then later returned to GB.

And I hope Willis has a great career as a starter, as long as he's not playing the Packers. He will certainly be missed.
Me too. I like Willis. He played fabulous here in Green Bay.
 

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