flapackfan said:
Most draft picks are useless. If you bothered to read my entire posts maybe you would understand what im talking about. Or maybe i have to spell it out better for some of you guys.
Your direct quote below.
Ive heard he was to be traded for a 2nd rounder. But anyway, he is worth a first rounder anyway. He is worth our first three picks in this draft.Draft picks are useless for the most part.
All we have to do is this, trade our first round pick for Randy Moss. Then, the money we would have spent on that first rounder, spend it on a free agent. Ahhhhh, what a concept.
Experienced Free Agent > Unproven rookie anyway so who cares about draft picks.
The impact of Reggie Bush?? Are you kidding?? He was a good third down back last year but lets be honest. They didnt pay him 50 million to be a good third down back. They paid him to be a difference maker and he failed miserably at that. He isnt even the best "running back" on his team. Like i said before, Marques Colston was a fluke. You can not depend on that type of production from late round picks. It just doesnt happen. You know this for a fact but you bring it up anyway just to suit your argument. Seriously, is winning an argument so important to you that you have to twist the facts???
Bush had over 1500 all purpose yards with 8 Touchdowns. He had over 80 receptions and he had 5 touchdowns in the month of December which is the most important month of football leading up to the playoffs. He also had a pretty good post season as well yet you consider him a 3rd down back.
Then you factor in that teams have to respect Bush in the flats. He's a threat in the rushing, receiving, and return game. Teams usually have to put a spy on him and that clearly opens things up for Colston, Henderson, McAlister, etc...
Mark Tauscher was a 7th round pick and start majority of the games his rookie year. Explain him?. Mark Anderson was a 5th round pick and finished ahead of A.J. Hawk in rookie of the year voting this year. Yet rookies are useless.
Another great comment that does not deserve a response
Is it because your statement of useless draft picks does not make sense right now?
I know you are not comparing the career of Herman Moore to Randy Moss. Two very different players. Comparing them is quite pointless. I dont know how the subject of Herman Moore even came up.
You statement....
All we have to do is this, trade our first round pick for Randy Moss. Then, the money we would have spent on that first rounder, spend it on a free agent. Ahhhhh, what a concept.
By your concept the Vikings should of traded their 1st round pick for someone like Herman Moore. Moore is nothing but an example. Had the Vikings did that then they would of never gotten Randy Moss and probably never of reached two NFC Title Games in 3 years.
WTF are you talking about. We never had Herman Moore. Stop living in fantasy land and trying to mind "screw" me just because your argument holds no water.
I never said we had Herman Moore. Your statement
Im just fine with that to be honest. I'll take 3 - 4 great years out of Moss and when he loses his skills, we cut him. What a concept.
That's your concept. According to your concept we should trade a 1st for Moss and let him go when his skills decline. Put that concept to work say in 1998 and instead of the Packers let's go with the Minnesota Vikings. Trade their 1st for a proven veteran coming off a solid season. My example is Herman Moore. You give up your 1st for this proven veteran and he records a grand total of 1,600 in four seasons. Did you get good value for your pick then? Probably not especially when Randy Moss for example comes in and has about 5,500 yards in four seasons. The Vikings traded their 1st so no Randy Moss. What could of been? It's a flawed concept. It does not work one way and it never will.
Bottom line, we need a receiver, Moss is the only good receiver out there and he is dying to play for us and he is available. Believe it or not, not everyone wants to play for the Packers so we should welcome a guy who wants to come here and is willing to re-structure his contract which is pretty rare in the NFL these days. Sounds like "Packer People" to me.
I want Moss as well but not for a first rounder. He could just as easily be cut after the draft and the Packers could sign him that way since as you stated Moss is dying to play for us.
Once again, putting words in my mouth. NEVER DID I SAY that all draft picks are a waste and need to be traded. My point if you were paying attention, was that in some situations when we have an opportunity to greatly improve our team by trading a draft pick for a superstar who could help us, it is not the end of the world to trade away a draft pick to get him. You guys think draft picks are like gold or something. How did Ahmad Caroll work out? Tony Mandarich, Jamal Reynolds, Terell Buckley, Vinnie Clark, Wayne Simmons, Terell Buckley, Aaron Taylor John Michels Ross Verba Vonnie Holliday Antuan Edwards Bubba Franks Jamal Reynolds Javon Walker Nick Barnett Ahmad Carroll Aaron Rodgers A.J. Hawk.
Some quotes from you. Just one of your posts too.
Draft picks are useless for the most part.
Experienced Free Agent > Unproven rookie anyway so who cares about draft picks.
How did Peyton Manning work out? How did Randy Moss turn out? You want to jump on getting Moss. How was he his rookie year? Who's to say Moss turns out like Herman Moore and Ted Ginn ends up being like Randy Moss? Now I'm not saying that's going to happen but it is a possibility.
These are our first round picks in the last 16 years. The verdict isnt in yet on A.J. Hawk. Barnett is pretty good. Other than that, nothing much to write home about. I would trade any one of these players in their prime for Randy Moss at this point in his career. Most of these draft picks were duds.
Ted Thompson has been here two years. He has A.J. Hawk who had a pretty good rookie year and Aaron Rodgers. It's a little early to judge but it's a little early to write either off especially Hawk. I think Rodgers is a bust so I'd say he's 1 for 2 right now.
However it does not work one way. Look at the Colts recent history of first round picks. Peyton Manning, Edgerrin James, Joseph Addai, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, and Reggie Wayne. Not bad.