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Studs & Duds: Steelers Edition

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by FrankRizzo, Dec 22, 2013.

  1. adambr2

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    There was 1:02 left on the clock when Quarless was tackled at the 5. I don't even think a spike was necessary, but it's unreal how we ran out of time with 1:02 left from the 5 yard line.
     
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  2. yooperpackfan

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    That is mind blowing isn't.
    I'm still shaking my head over that.
     
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  3. Bus Cook

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    once again Hawk. Forced fumble and INT. Both doubling his career stats.
     
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  4. captainWIMM

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    I have absolutely no idea what the O-liners are talking about. At the time the umpire told EDS not to snap the ball the clock wasn´t running, so of course he´s not allowed to snap the ball. At the time the ref started the clock the umpire was already some yards away, so he should have been able to snap it.

    BTW it was 2nd-and-goal, Flynn should have just spiked the ball there.
     
  5. adambr2

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    Also, if you watch the play again, the false start and whistle occurred with 23 seconds left. The clock then winds down to 20 seconds.

    I have no idea where our home cooking was from our clock operator, because that was a piss-poor job. If the clock stops even at :22 instead of :20, we get one more play off at the end with :01.
     
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  6. rodell330

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    The false start was inexcusable period. These guys know the rules and are aware of the run off i'm sure. This is not on Flynn or the clock operator so please stop blaming them. If the linemen keeps his big butt in his stance the Packers would have had an extra 10 secs to work with. That was a mental error made by the player in a citical situation. This is what i mean when i say this team will break your heart because where they should have mental toughness they seem to lack it at the most critical times. Perry jumping off sides? linemen jumping off sides? Quarless running into Flynn causing him to throw a pick six? Not being prepared for a fake punt? Raji mugging a guy in the face giving up 15 free yds? come on man that's all mental mistakes that cost us the game.
     
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  7. narmer2000

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    Lacy was an animal yesterday and Boykin was too. Both studs.

    Lets add the Eagles to the stud list as they kept the dream alive by asswhipping the Bears.

    Duds list is a long one: Newhouse for the one play holding drive stalling penalty, Special teams kick coverage for not showing up, Matt Flynn for the overthrows, pick six, fumble, and not having the peripheral vision to avaid sacks, Perry for the false start on the field goal, and whoever on the Oline for the last false start penalty.
     
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  8. Forget Favre

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    OK that is helpful to know.
    On the one hand, I agree that it technically doesn't matter.
    On the other I disagree because morally it would have uplifted the fans and the players had we won.
    Given them motivation going into next week's game.

    Based on what you stated, let me ask this for anyone to answer.
    Suppose that we and Bears had won. Would we still have had to beat Chicago or would we have been out?
     
  9. Sunshinepacker

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    For those complaining about the end of the game management by Flynn et al., let's remember that that situation never would have occured without Perry making the single dumbest mistake I've seen since Bush tried to pick up a fumble in the playoffs against the Giants. I know the Bush play cost us the game but Perry's play may well have cost us the playoffs this year. Not trying to excuse Flynn for screwing that up but maybe they had already called a play they liked and decided to go quick and surprise the defense; just think there's no possible excuse for Perry's mistake while there might be reasons behind Flynn and the offense.
     
  10. Shawnsta3

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    So I went and watched the tape of our game yesterday, and two things stood out for me.

    1. This is the best crop of running backs the Packers have had since I started watching them. (2002) Ahman was probably better, but Najeh was not even close as a second option. The announcers kept quoting Dick Lebeau yesterday when he said "this is the best 1-2 punch in the NFL" and he wasn't lying. Lacy showed great vision and cuts to find the whole, and once he hit it, he took out/dragged anyone in his way. Lacy's cuts were textbook of the zone blocking scheme. And when Lacy went down, we appeared to lose nothing with Starks. Starks has the best vision of his career and was looking like a Jamaican sprinter against the defenders used to Lacy's slow and strong demeanor. Heck, Starks was averaging almost 10 yards a carry until we got down into the redzone on that final drive. Our offensive line was playing good, but not great so I gotta give the credit to the RB's. Great job.

    2. On the other hand, this is the worst defensive line play I've seen by the Packers since-and maybe even worse than 2011. Pitiful. I found two instances where Mike Daniels was triple teamed and neither the linebackers or his fellow lineman could reach the ball carrier before he was 4, 5 yards downfield. Boyd, Jones, Wilson, none of them showed pressure. And the big guys "taking up blockers"? Raji, Pickett, were single covered almost the whole game effectively. Seven men in the box and against the worst rushing team in the league and you hit him behind the line once? Poor showing. As good as this unit was playing at the start of the year, the tables have turned.
     
  11. adambr2

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    Rodell, no one is "blaming" the clock operator, but it should be obvious that to burn 1:02 from the 5, there are a lot of factors that contribute. The false start, not letting the Steelers score on 1st down (we would have been able to use our last timeout instead of the 10 second runoff + running clock) the playcalling, Flynn not seeing Nelson open over the middle, the spotting of the ball and the ready, any extra seconds that tick off after completion of a play (these do add up and could have added up to an extra play). All of these contribute. It's not any one thing.
     
  12. adambr2

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    After watching Raji this year, I would be flabbergasted if some team opens up their wallets and pays him as one of the top D-linemen in the game. He is going to have to pray that some GM pays him on name without watching any current film on him.

    I simply can't overstate how bad Raji and Pickett are. I can't imagine why anyone would think they are good other than name.

    Keep in mind this was the worst running game in the league. No problem, they still gashed us for over 5 YPC.
     
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  13. yooperdiehard

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    Yes he was not horrible but why the lack of urgency in the last 40 seconds, walking up to the ball, and why didn't he know the clock was restarted after the penalty? Why Why Why ? ( blow nose , wipe tears)
    we had enough time for two pass plays !!!
     
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    You have to be more specific. Coverage units were poor. Return units OTOH, were very good with returns of 40 and 71 yards on kickoffs and a couple decent punt returns.
     
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    Philly made sure the loss was irrelevant. Even if we had won we would have had to win next week anyway, so thanks to Philly this game ended up not mattering, and thanks to the Giants, the Lions are done. Just think of it as the Bears and Packers both already making the playoffs. Ours just starts a week earlier than everyone else's playoffs.
     
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    In the end, this loss might have been a blessing in disguise. If Flynn would have lit up the Steelers like the second half last week, some team probably would try to sign him as their starter again this offseason. Now, I don't think that happens and we should be able to keep him around as our #2 QB for a few years. There's no doubt he's a capable backup, but it's also clear he's not a long-term starting prospect and today was a reminder for any GM out there who might be thinking about drinking the Kool-Aid on him again.
     
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  17. melvin dangerr

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    Word is, Da Bears lost on purpose so that we could play A-Rod, get him hurt and win the division,and A-rod can miss most of next season,so the Da Bears can have another chance at winning a division..(I Know what you are thinking(STAY OUT OFF THE MED CABINET) so excuse this sarcasm, I used up the meds after we blew the game...
     
  18. melvin dangerr

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    If the Packers screw this up the Christmas Presents should be suitcases for individuals to find another team..Week 15 NO MORE EXCUSES...
     
  19. melvin dangerr

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    MM just looks stunned most of the time….and a little indecisive wish he would give up play calling and get a coordinator, so that he can focus on the overall aspects on both sides….
     
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  20. 13 Times Champs

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    You didn't have to be a coach to be stunned with what happened from 3 minutes to the end. Lombardi would have said "What the Hell is going on out there".
     
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  21. RustyShackleford

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    During the Rodgers era there haven't been that many close games so it wasn't as obvious, but recently there have been so many close games that McCarthy's bad clock management has really become apparent. No excuse for it, even though I'm sure it's not as easy to manage with all the other things he has going on at the time.

    Rather than changing the playcalling, though, I would like to see someone up in the box whose sole responsibility is to provide the necessary input for these types of special game/clock situations. It's not that complicated, but just needs someone who's not otherwise distracted.
     
  22. melvin dangerr

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    So you do believe me when I said we need a coordinator,who can suggest plays to the QB from the booth...
     
  23. GoPGo

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    I saw nothing wrong with his play-calling. IMO, criticism of play-calling by fans is usually misguided anyway. If plays are successful, nobody complains. If the team doesn't execute, the complaints come. I thought the handoff to Kuhn for the TD was a stroke of genius, frankly. Nobody on the Steelers saw it coming.
     
  24. GoPGo

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    I hear Callahan might be available shortly.
     
  25. longtimefan

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    Flynn was aware, as was MM...the refs on the other hand screwed up yesterday at that 10 sec mark
     

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