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Starting to get irritated with lack of free agency news..

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Brandon, Mar 12, 2014.

  1. adambr2

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    Thanks.

    I get the willingness to pay more for your own. I really do. Familiarity in most cases can't hurt.

    But at some point, if you're paying your own "Player A" 4 years and 24 million at his position, and an equal or better "Player B" earned 5 years and 20 million on the open market, you're not being very efficient.
     
  2. JacobInFlorida

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    Best player at his position is subjective.

    My point was Clay Matthews is a guy a franchise will do what is necessary to keep. He's a "build your cap situation with this guy in mind", offer him what is necessary kind of guy. The Bills obviously didn't feel Byrd was that impactful to them and not many other teams seemed to think that way either. He's a safety. Not a position that's make or break in a defense.
     
  3. JacobInFlorida

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    Who's player B and how do you gauge efficiency? Maybe the packers front office evaluation is that shields was that good compared to what the market is saying.
     
  4. JacobInFlorida

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    Maybe the packers talent evaluation staff have determined that for the money, their guys are better than what's out there? Maybe they felt all things considered, shields was the best CB available and gave him what they think he'll be worth?
     
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  6. captainWIMM

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    Once again, the Bills offered Byrd a contract that would have made him the highest paid safety for part of it. He didn´t accept it because he wanted out of Buffalo.
     
  7. adambr2

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    Um....yes they did. He just wouldn't take it. They paid him as the best player at his position.

    This is silly, to say that teams didn't think Byrd was "very impactful". As far as your statement that safety isn't a "make or break" position in a defense, I hardly even know what to say. It certainly "broke" us last year.

    I bet the Bears feel the same way, particularly about Chris Conte.

    I can't believe any Packer fan would undervalue the safety position if they watched our safety play at all last season. Just because a top safety doesn't make as much as a top corner doesn't make them not "impactful".
     
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  8. JacobInFlorida

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    Byrd knew he was going to get more money than what Buffalo offered and he did. That and his disappointment from being tagged last year and no real effort by Buffalo to sign him last year are the reasons he turned it down. I'm not arguing that Buffalo was his top choice, but from everything I was told, they weren't really out of the picture either if they would've paid him more than the Saints.

    Second, the notion that safety was what broke us last year is not really true IMO. There were issues all over the defense. We weren't as bad there as some like to think. Certainly not a strength, but not bottom of the barrel as is the popular opinion here.

    I never said safeties don't have an impact. I just don't believe we go out and overpay for a the "best" free agent safety and we're suddenly great on defense. I just don't think the value is there.
     
  9. captainWIMM

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    The Bills offered to make him the highest paid safety over a portion of the deal. That was before the Steelers restructured Troy Polamalu´s contract, so I actually think they offered him more than the $9 million per year the Saints will pay him.

    They didn´t have a single interception!!! For the first time in at least 50 years!!! We had for sure one of the worst safety tandems in the league.
     
  10. bubba

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    BJ yes! what a prediction. We are slowly getting our wonderful defense back together.
     
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    I can't wait until the team is good again this season and I can tell all the people who are panicking I told you so.
     
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  12. Shawnsta3

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    5 straight playoff appearances, 3 straight division titles, keep on doing what you're doing Ted. You've got my stockholder and fan support.
     
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  13. easyk83

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    I say this every year... but remember Ted's biggest FA signing didn't occur until May.
     
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  14. Carl

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    You somehow know nobody else wanted Shields? He didn't even hit the market so I'm not sure how you could know that. I guarantee though if he did, there would have been teams interested.
     
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    BOUGHT some PEPPERS.
    Secretly. No advanced rumors of this even with JP being in Green Bay for a visit.

    SUCK IT WERDER and Albert BREER and Adam Schefter!

    I wonder if we have money to sign Safety Chris Clemons too..... that would fill all holes on defense other than upgrading ILB with Chris Borland in the draft.
     
  18. PikeBadger

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    Urgency or impatience?
    Many of the gm's churn their roster annually and never develop team unity because of the revolving door. Thompson is a very patient, unhurried man. That fact drives the immature chicken littles here crazy.......... And makes me giggle.

    I'm not a TT can do no wrong guy, but I do understand that he, the scouts, and the coaching staff have a lot more info to work with than any of us keypad clowns on this forum
     
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    This underscores the nature of free agency that seems lost on many posters here (not the captain, specifically).

    Landing a quality free agent is often more complicated than offering the biggest contract. You're dealing with a person that has a life outside of football. A free agent's decision to sign may depend as much on quality of life as it does on money. Believe it or not, these are actual human beings with lives outside the football field and they're going to evaluate a variety of factors before they uproot themselves in order start somewhere else.

    A free agent has to want to play for the Packers. And Green Bay may not be the destination of choice for many free agents.

    Take a look at Byrd: he clearly wanted out of Buffalo, turning down a larger deal to stay with the Bills. Perhaps he didn't like the cold weather or life in a small northern town bored him. (Sounds a bit like Green Bay.) While we can offer a spot on a playoff contender, so can the Saints. Plus New Orleans has warm weather and a much lower income tax rate. The assumption that we could have / should have just convinced Byrd to play here seems out-of-touch. I'm not sure whether the Packers approached Byrd but I suspect he had no interest in coming to Green Bay unless we paid a significant premium.

    Going back to Woodson in 2006, from his Wikipedia page:

    So, when courting free agents, I think it's safe to say Green Bay faces some hurdles. There's a perception, as Woodson mentions. It's probably not the most exciting city to be young and wealthy in. The weather gets pretty crappy. The income tax rate is higher than many other markets.

    Bottom line: the worldview that says we should be able to just go out and get whatever free agent ignores the fact that you're dealing with a person that may not be interested in coming to Green Bay.

    It's a bit of a childish perspective that demands a particular free agent ("I want it and I want it now!"), like a spoiled child demanding a candy bar from mommy at a grocery store checkout. Free agency is really more like courtship between adults and sometimes the pretty girl at the bar is going to turn you down.

    OK. Lecture over. I'll climb off my soapbox.
     
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    You were saying?
     
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    :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
     
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    You told us so?
    Told us what?
    Vegas already had us as about the #5 ranked team as far as odds to win next Super Bowl.

    We've been good for awhile. We were good last year. With Rodgers.
    Big difference between good and great though, right?

    Who here said we aren't good, with Rodgers?
    Told us so? Told us what?
     
  23. Carl

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    You've really never seen anybody on here say we are average or can't compete with the best or think the Bears or catching up? I sure have.
     
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    Hows New Orleans, Denver, and San Fran doing?
     
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    Aside from the fact that you were dead wrong on both counts, can you see how ridiculous this sounds? "You can clearly see which teams want to improve?" Do you honestly believe that Ted Thompson does not WANT to improve the team? Do you think he's out there playing golf in March, with agents calling him, and he's saying, "Nah guys, this is my me time. I'm not really interested in looking at anybody. Get back to me before the draft."

    Niners, no playoffs, salary cap hell next year. Saints, ditto. Seahawks, I guess we'll find out on Sunday, but the fact that we're playing in the NFC Championship Game is pretty good evidence that you were wrong.

    We know, Rodell. You do this every single year. You freak out in the spring and tell us that we're stuck in neutral or regressing, and the mighty Lions, Bears, and Vikings are getting better. You go ahead and punch Super Bowl tickets for the NFC offseason free agency winner (Broncos this year).

    For the love of God I'm asking you just this one offseason to let things play out, sit back and R-E-L-A-X, and accept the knowledge that while you are certainly a passionate Packer fan, you would make a complete disaster of a GM. Please stop assuming that the Lombardi will be awarded every year to the team that buys the most expensive players. It will save you a lot of egg on your face at the end of every season.
     
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