rodell330
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It would tickle me to see Allen go to Chicago and Peppers to minnesota. Meanwhile the Packers bring in some guy from Pittsburgh. Lol amazing smh. The defense is already making huge strides.
same can be said for ANY big name on the FA market..... money talks, business is business or people just want out of a no win situation. I mean c'mon....if a guy has that much talent he might want to go someplace that HE thinks has a better chance of winning. Buffalo (offense) downright stinks, so they aint going nowhere anytime soon. He may have just wanted out.
I know Byrd did not want to stay, but every other free agent didn't like their current teams?
I agree that money talks and business is business, which is why most players take the biggest contract they can get. There are examples every year of a player going to a worse team for more money. So why were the teams they were already on (The teams that know by far the most about the players) not want to pay them the most?
There's some reason that teams didn't feel they were worth it. For the most part, not in Byrd's case, a free agent is a player that his current team didn't want anymore. I think that's why a big time expensive free agent rarely lives up to expectations.
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Again they offered to make him the highest paid safety in the league. I'm not seeing your point here My man.
For the 3rd or 4th time, I know Byrd didn't want to stay in Buffalo.
I'm asking about the rest of the free agents.
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Gotcha. Sorry I misread it. Well sometimes the players can request to not be resigned . They want to test their worth on the open market... Some just want better opportunity to have a greater role. It's a two way street. It's not always just the team .
sometimes the team want them, but canot afford to match what they would get on the open market. Dallas is in cap HELL and of course they wanted Ware, but they couldn't afford him any longer and cut their loses.
So why Ware and not restructure other contracts or cut other guys?
To me, that says they did not think Ware was living up to his contract or wasn't going to compared to the rest of the roster.
Of course, the Cowboys gave 22 million to a kicker, 10 million to a back up QB and don't understand the cap, so they aren't the best talent evaluators and could be totally wrong.
Ware was actually the only one on their roster that saved them more than $2 million in cap space.
Alright. So Ware and Byrd are example of guys the team wanted but ended up free agents anyway.
That still doesn't explain the majority of free agents who IMO leave somewhere to get more money. There's some reason why their original team didn't want to pay them that much. A free agent, for the most part, is a guy another team did not want anymore.
On a side note, anyone else look at the Cowboys' cap situation and find it hilarious? I have a friend who is a Cowboys fan and thoroughly enjoy discussing their cap situation with him.
That still doesn't explain the majority of free agents who IMO leave somewhere to get more money. There's some reason why their original team didn't want to pay them that much. A free agent, for the most part, is a guy another team did not want anymore.
I agree with that. But that doesn't mean a free agent can't have an ompact with another team though. There are a lot of reasons why one team doesn 't want to give a player another contract (money, cap situation, age, depth at the position...)
You're right. It doesn't mean a free agent can't have an impact, but IMO it explains why so many free agents don't live up to their new contracts.
I agree most of them don't live up to their contracts, especially those signed during the early part of free agency. There's nothing wrong with getting some help for reasonable deals though.
I'd be very willing to bet that if Jairus Byrd had been a Packer his whole career with his production being exactly the same, Thompson would have had no problem offering him what he did. I'd be equally willing to bet that if Sam Shields had played for the Bills the last 6 years and his production had been exactly the same, Thompson wouldn't have even sniffed him in free agency and wouldn't have come close to offering him $39M.
I'm not saying that to knock Shields. I'm glad he's back. I'm just saying there's a HUGE disparity in what Thompson is willing to pay for FA's, versus what he's willing to pay for his own guys. Some preference for your own guys seems pretty normal, but I do think he's taking it a bit far.
My point is this: to overpay for someone like Byrd would IMO require him to be a Clay Matthews type impact player. Elite. Bottom line is in most cases teams find a way to fit those guys into the cap and do what it takes to keep him. The comparison to James Jones is exactly what I'm talking about. Good player that we'd be better with next year but not so much better that it's worth paying him.
We need to improve the defense, not just go out and get the best player available in free agency at a need position. You just normally don't get bang for your buck in the top tier of free agency.
We signed 2 already. Our own guys nobody else wanted. Don't seem like a lot of teams interested in many of our guys.
The "why are teams letting these players go if they're good" argument seems silly to me. Players depart in free agency because GM's have to compile a 53 man roster within the constraints of the salary cap. They have to make decisions about where to allocate the money. That's why we are letting James Jones go. Just because James Jones is a free agent doesn't mean he's a bad player. It means we have other needs that we need to address and do not feel that paying him market value price is in our best interests to winning the most games because it will create a hole elsewhere.
I'd be very willing to bet that if Jairus Byrd had been a Packer his whole career with his production being exactly the same, Thompson would have had no problem offering him what he did. I'd be equally willing to bet that if Sam Shields had played for the Bills the last 6 years and his production had been exactly the same, Thompson wouldn't have even sniffed him in free agency and wouldn't have come close to offering him $39M.
I'm not saying that to knock Shields. I'm glad he's back. I'm just saying there's a HUGE disparity in what Thompson is willing to pay for FA's, versus what he's willing to pay for his own guys. Some preference for your own guys seems pretty normal, but I do think he's taking it a bit far.
If you want to keep overpaying your own guys, how about starting to draft some decent players on defense so you can actually keep a playmaker rather than a mediocre "guy" when they hit free agency?