Parsons Trade

[Heyjoe4]

I will pipe in. Have any of you watched Parsons? He is a beast...now that being said...the players that will benefit includes the front 4...Gary singled up?? Lick your chops...Wyatt the same??....hes a load. Van Ness uncovered? lol you get the point...Cooper and Micah coming at the QB simultaneously is A NIGHTMARE!!!!

We r gonna make some noise and make a run folks strap up and enjoy.

Well said LL. I have seen some of Parsons video. He's a freak. Physically he reminds me of LVN, but with much better awareness, speed and bend.

I was hoping the Packers could have landed Garrett, Crosby or Hendrickson - but imo Parsons plays at least as well and he's 26 y/o. Yeah he's getting paid, but if/when that improves the play of other guys, well worth it.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Yeah and I'm not that concerned with his affect on the locker room, mostly because I think it will be positive. The Cowboys are a better circus than football team, and Jerruh should have known better than to engage with Parsons directly.

Anyway, I'm not too worried on this matter.

I don't know who called you arrogant. I don't see it in your comments FWIW. And good for you for laughing through it. I've been on this forum a long time and it's just not worth fighting with people. That said, I have done it and it just isn't worth the trouble.

Only concern is if he does his podcast during the season, that did cause part of the problem in Dallas. Podcasts are mostly innocent, but lose a tough game, something gets said on his pod, and suddenly it's unnecessary drama. Nip that in bud, hopefully the Packers have by telling him he is free to do his podcast in the offseason.

Yeah, I am apparently "arrogant" on here. Too funny. It's fine, only mentioned it because something like that is normally total BS. As I believe it also is with the stuff coming from some former teammates of Micah's in Dallas.

Jaire was "arrogant" and "egotistical" in his time in Green Bay, but I had no issues with Jaire, other than him being injury prone. Not his fault by the way. But it seems to be somewhat of an issue in Baltimore as well.

Let's hope Micah follows in Kenny's footsteps and leads by example in the Packers locker room. I think Micah is a little more vocal than Kenny, but that can be ok, just be vocal in the right way. Not making it about yourself, always team first, and Micah will be good.

 

[Curly Calhoun]

Only concern is if he does his podcast during the season, that did cause part of the problem in Dallas. Podcasts are mostly innocent, but lose a tough game, something gets said on his pod, and suddenly it's unnecessary drama. Nip that in bud, hopefully the Packers have by telling him he is free to do his podcast in the offseason.

Yeah, I am apparently "arrogant" on here. Too funny. It's fine, only mentioned it because something like that is normally total BS. As I believe it also is with the stuff coming from some former teammates of Micah's in Dallas.

Jaire was "arrogant" and "egotistical" in his time in Green Bay, but I had no issues with Jaire, other than him being injury prone. Not his fault by the way. But it seems to be somewhat of an issue in Baltimore as well.

Let's hope Micah follows in Kenny's footsteps and leads by example in the Packers locker room. I think Micah is a little more vocal than Kenny, but that can be ok, just be vocal in the right way. Not making it about yourself, always team first, and Micah will be good.

Whenever something good happens, there will inevitably be a few handwringers that will respond with a nervous, worried "Yeah, but..."

Micha Parson is a generational field-tilting player that will make the Packers a better team. Let's all just relax and enjoy it.

Go Pack Go!

 

[Heyjoe4]

Whenever something good happens, there will inevitably be a few handwringers that will respond with a nervous, worried "Yeah, but..."

Micha Parson is a generational field-tilting player that will the Packers a better team. Let's all just relax and enjoy it.

Go Pack Go!

Amen Curly. Way too much hand wringing on here about the Parsons' trade.

Most of us have been complaining that Rodgers was never surrounded with SB-worthy talent. Probably true, but even so, this is Gluten taking on risk where the anticipated benefit is greater than doing nothing. Good for him. Good for the Packers and their fans!

 

[weeds]

I don't think anyone can or should discount Parsons' talent level and "arrogant" isn't a term I'll use - I have better words for such persons but, I don't know enough about the guy to form an opinion. The kid is a pro football player so excessive confidence is a survival mechanism and frankly, I only care about how players perform within the system. I don't listen to podcasts and rarely listen to player interviews. Alexander was quite the personality - however, he never kicked a dog in public or anything - so, ya know, no skin off my nose.

Pokerbrat however ... someone called or inferred he was "arrogant"?? No sh*t? Whyyyy I oughtta....

 

[DoURant]

I don't think anyone can or should discount Parsons' talent level and "arrogant" isn't a term I'll use - I have better words for such persons but, I don't know enough about the guy to form an opinion. The kid is a pro football player so excessive confidence is a survival mechanism and frankly, I only care about how players perform within the system. I don't listen to podcasts and rarely listen to player interviews. Alexander was quite the personality - however, he never kicked a dog in public or anything - so, ya know, no skin off my nose.

It's been mentioned prior about things he said on his podcast, (Called a couple players out, or threw a few under the bus, however you want to phrase it). Teams prefer things handled "in house" behind closed doors, otherwise the media gets ahold of it and it becomes a big story (distraction). I'm hoping there isn't a Parsons podcast moving forward, for that reason. Need to focus on this season one game at a time, and hopefully at the end we are still left standing.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I will concede this point, but once again, it sounds like the issue is losing a great player, not the lack of cap space.

That is where you need to think outside of the box. If you lose a "great player" to injury and said great player is still being paid a ton of guaranteed money, replacing his production isn't just "signing another great player". First there is even the question of whether a player of that caliber is available. More importantly, what is your cap space at to do so?

Managing your current and future cap space involves keeping a close on on dead cap as well as potential dead cap. Yes, it is awesome to get great players, but load up too many on your books and it can really negatively impact the team later on down the road.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Pokerbrat however ... someone called or inferred he was "arrogant"?? No sh*t? Whyyyy I oughtta....

Yeah, that Poker guy needs to get kicked out of here! How dare he express an opinion.

 

[mradtke66]

That is where you need to think outside of the box. If you lose a "great player" to injury and said great player is still being paid a ton of guaranteed money, replacing his production isn't just "signing another great player". First there is even the question of whether a player of that caliber is available.

Emphasis added.

This more where I am. Losing the player sucks. Having infinite cap space doesn’t help you if you don’t have a player to sign and fill the gap.

Managing your current and future cap space involves keeping a close on on dead cap as well as potential dead cap. Yes, it is awesome to get great players, but load up too many on your books and it can really negatively impact the team later on down the road.

The key take aways in your statements are the conditions. “Too many.” “Potentially.” A “can” where I think you mean “may.”

Yes, you can have a questionable front office that just keeps taking their shot without an obvious goal (looking at you, Saints.). But if you can keep the risk manageable, you can minimize the downsides. I look to us—the end of the Rodgers, Bahk, Alexander, and even Clark contracts were an inconvenience, not a disaster.

Even the Browns, who did a monumental stupid, would have been fine had they hit with Watson. I don’t think they could have (I’m not as impressed with Watson as some were. And he missed a whole season of football,) but imagine had they found an equivalent to Prime Payton Manning.

 

[gopkrs]

Dak Prescott was being interviewed and was questioned on his thinking about the trade. Said he wasn't completely surprised and said all of the usual boiler plate NFL QB quotes - and then, this:

"“I know what adding a guy like Kenny Clark, adding a true leader, a real man that’s going to only elevate this team, who’s been a Pro Bowl player and is excited about being here” Prescott said, per Archer."

I'm not normally one to parse a partial quote to twist it into something that it MIGHT be. May or may not be a Freudian where he was giving his opinion on Clark after a couple of days - I couldn't help myself thinking that Clark is known to be a leader - Parsons not so much? He said they ADDED a TRUE LEADER. Adding something means it wasn't there before...

That could be right. But again. If Parsons is not a leader; then I see no reason to make him be one. His play on the field is enough. I don't want him trying to be something other than he is in the locker room. Was Ray Nitschke a leader in the locker room? I just think it's a bunch of crap that someone has to be a leader because he's a great player. Either you have those guys in the locker room or you don't. Usually, those guys will be there. Doesn't have to be him. imho

 

[OldSchool101]

This. Plus all the hoopla about Parsons disappeared in big games. He actually was only bad to compared to his usual dominance. 3 post season games
9 tackles 5 solo
4 TFL
1 Sack
5 QB hits
2 PD
1 FF
Not exactly disappearing.
Skip mentioned 42 points allowed against GB, but in reality 2 of those TD’s were direct cause of Packers Takeaways in scoring position, I don’t blame Micah for Dak Prescott’s poor throws. I Could easily argue it was 28 points allowed. His 2 other playoff appearances? Dallas allowed 19 points and 15 points. Hardly enough to condemn Micah.

Other high profile games.
How about the Cotton Bowl against
12-2 Memphis. Did he disappear? Is that his MO?

14 Tackles
2 Sacks
2 Forced Fumbles
Defensive MVP

 

[Heyjoe4]

Emphasis added.

This more where I am. Losing the player sucks. Having infinite cap space doesn’t help you if you don’t have a player to sign and fill the gap.


The key take aways in your statements are the conditions. “Too many.” “Potentially.” A “can” where I think you mean “may.”

Yes, you can have a questionable front office that just keeps taking their shot without an obvious goal (looking at you, Saints.). But if you can keep the risk manageable, you can minimize the downsides. I look to us—the end of the Rodgers, Bahk, Alexander, and even Clark contracts were an inconvenience, not a disaster.

Even the Browns, who did a monumental stupid, would have been fine had they hit with Watson. I don’t think they could have (I’m not as impressed with Watson as some were. And he missed a whole season of football,) but imagine had they found an equivalent to Prime Payton Manning.

Yeah I mean GMs take on risks with expensive trades or FA additions. In the case of Parsons, Gluten seemed to feel the potential benefit, and the probability of same, were greater than the cost and other risks.

Seems like most of us clamored for years for TT and Gluten to give Rodgers a better supporting cast. Well that's exactly what Gluten has done.

I like the trade, in spite of the massive contract. There must have been at least one other team, similar to GB, that was bidding for Parsons. I still like the trade, and whether it plays out well or not, this is what it takes to build a champion. And it was Gluten's masterful handling of the cap after Rodgers left, and finding impressive rookies, to even make this deal possible.

 

[DoURant]

That could be right. But again. If Parsons is not a leader; then I see no reason to make him be one. His play on the field is enough. I don't want him trying to be something other than he is in the locker room. Was Ray Nitschke a leader in the locker room? I just think it's a bunch of crap that someone has to be a leader because he's a great player. Either you have those guys in the locker room or you don't. Usually, those guys will be there. Doesn't have to be him. imho

What Parsons may lack with intangibles, he makes up for with his play on the field, in the physical aspect of the game. Hopefully as he gets older, he will develop more/better leadership skills, and be a more rounded teammate.

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Russ Ball is a wizard

Micah's cap hit this year: 10 million
Micah's cap hit in 2026: 19 million
Micah's cap hit in 2027: 27 million

We can worry about '28 and beyond later. The cap hits for the next 3 years are team friendly.

$56 mil the first 3 years and $132 mil year 4?

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

$56 mil the first 3 years and $132 mil year 4?

Do you know how cap hits work? You are going off the full 188 mill for 4 years. I am talking the cap hits for the next 3 years. All that matters.

 

[gopkrs]

$56 mil the first 3 years and $132 mil year 4?

But it also gives Parsons the ability to just leave I guess. And I assume there will be dead cap from the up front cash. So if it's that simple; it seems like we would be basically dealing with a free agent

 

[GreenBaySlacker]

Or just planning a financial rebuild on year 4?

Do you know how cap hits work? You are going off the full 188 mill for 4 years. I am talking the cap hits for the next 3 years. All that matters.

Is the end of the world coming in year 4 or something I don't know about? Or are you separating the $120 million signing bonus from the $188 mil or something?

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Or just planning a financial rebuild on year 4?

Is the end of the world coming in year 4 or something I don't know about? Or are you separating the $120 million signing bonus from the $188 mil or something?

The cap hit is different than the players annual salary.

Just worry about the cap hits. The cap hit is the amount that counts against the teams salary cap.

The cap hit is team friendly for the first 3 years, which is very much a positive for the Packers. Makes it easier to pay and keep other players on the roster.

 

[mradtke66]

The cap hit is team friendly for the first 3 years, which is very much a positive for the Packers. Makes it easier to pay and keep other players on the roster.

100% this. He’s counting about 8% of the cap per year for three years. This is less than Reggie's cap hit (around 12.5% in the early years.

Persons contract will explode in year 4. This likely on purpose. He is very unlikely to play on the deal as is. It will all but certainly be a cut or extend situation. If we do cut him, the dead cap will be a very manageable 25m or so. Not ideal, but I believe less than the hit we took trading away Clark.

This assumes no additional restructuring happens. And some of his base salary gets guaranteed earlier, so exactly when he gets would matter.

 

[weeds]

NBC 26 is playing the 96 NFC Championship game start to finish right now.

 

[weeds]

Seriously... Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Gilbert Brown and Reggie White on the field at the same time.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

NBC 26 is playing the 96 NFC Championship game start to finish right now.

Are you talking about the Cowboys vs. Packers NFC Championship game on January 14, 1996 or the Packers vs. Panthers NFC Championship on January 12, 1997?

I was at the Packers Panthers NFC Championship in Lambeau. It's the better watch obviously.

 

[OldSchool101]

100% this. He’s counting about 8% of the cap per year for three years. This is less than Reggie's cap hit (around 12.5% in the early years.

Persons contract will explode in year 4. This likely on purpose. He is very unlikely to play on the deal as is. It will all but certainly be a cut or extend situation. If we do cut him, the dead cap will be a very manageable 25m or so. Not ideal, but I believe less than the hit we took trading away Clark.

This assumes no additional restructuring happens. And some of his base salary gets guaranteed earlier, so exactly when he gets would matter.

Sounds about right. Other bonus is this If we keep him the league adjusts the split between the owners and players get recalibrated a few % and both likely get a nice spike when the league recalculates the revenue and marketing forecast. I think you’ll see 1 year alone pop the league cap between 15-30%. $25Mil in 2030-2031 will feel like $13Mil today etc.

THEN comes the good part. We get multiple high draft picks.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Something that was confusing me about the way Parsons contract is being reported on sites is the large discrepancy between his guaranteed money and all the cap hits+ the final dead cap hit, if he gets cut/traded after 3 years. If that $120M is guaranteed, then it has to be full accounted for.

3 years of cap his + final dead cap: $73.6526M

Guaranteed money: $120M

Difference: $46M

Pretty sure that what this means is that if the Packers trade/cut Parsons after 3 years and declare it a post June 1st transaction, his dead cap hits would be $17.6M in 2028 and $46.6886M in 2029.

So a total of $64.2886M in dead cap would still be on the books after 2027. Parsons would be traded or cut and that $64M+, would be spread out over 2 years. That is a lot of cheese.

Obviously the Packers could try to restructure every year, while Parsons is on the team and just keep pushing that cap out as far as possible.

 

[weeds]

Are you talking about the Cowboys vs. Packers NFC Championship game on January 14, 1996 or the Packers vs. Panthers NFC Championship on January 12, 1997?

I was at the Packers Panthers NFC Championship in Lambeau. It's the better watch obviously.

Panthers. I had forgotten how shi**ty the Pack looked up to Dorsey's TD