Dorsey Levens really had a great game. And Collins looked very good with those back shoulder throws which were not used that much at that time.
5 minutes into the 2nd qtr... Favre as an INT and a fumble. We'd be shi'*ting tacks in the game thread.
That's what I read too.
Scroll up, I posted about this about at 2 pm yesterday. You didn't want to respond to my post? JkOh, great...
Not a great start, but I'm not terribly worried about it overall. There's no way Green Bay did not know about this prior to pulling the trigger, and if Gutekunst and the medical staff were fully aware, then they must have good reason to expect that this is an acceptable risk.
At the same time, from what I've read, this is yet another injury that is unlikely to fully resolve if the player plays through it. Doctors say that playing with the injury is possible, but that there will have to be limitations on playing time, practicing, and "load management". There's no way to predict whether he can get through the whole season; some players have done that, with very careful treatment and monitoring, while others have been unable. There's just no way to know. I would suspect that his playing style, and his strengths, are not conducive to playing all-out in the manner which makes the best use of his strongest game.
Sounds like it may be a case where they figure there's not much harm in trying. If, after a couple-few weeks, it looks as though he just can't go all the way, they put him on the list and we'd still probably have him back and ready to go by late November or so, and certainly in time for the stretch run and the playoffs. If they did the cautious thing right now, and rest him until it heals, they'd still be looking at an early-November return. Maybe a one-month difference, at worst. Given what we know about the injury.
It's important to note that in that time span (early-late November through very early December), we face the Eagles, Lions, Vikings, and possibly the Bears on 12/7. That may be the most critical 5-game stretch of the season. If there's a chance we can have him on the field for those games, I think it's worth it to do everything we can to make it as possible as it can be to have him on the field when the rubber hits the road. Because that's why we hired him.
If we lose him in mid-September, and end up not having him available for those few weeks of tough November games (coming back instead in mid-December), well then that's a setback. But if we bluster through, and hope that if we nurse him along the next couple of months and cross our fingers that he's recovered by that time, we're still in a damned good position.
So it's not all that cut and dried - it's not like a jones fracture, where if you make the wrong call you've suddenly turned the injury into a potentially permanent one. This is an injury where even if we totally blow it and make the most absolutely wrong, completely dreadful, worst-case call, we're only wrong by 2-3 months at the absolutely most. And most likely a lot more like 2 months, and maybe not even that.
Hard to say what the best course of action is, because this is one where I am just a fan and a stockholder, so I yield the field to the men we stockholders have chosen to make those calls. They do not seem to make many truly foolish decisions, so I trust that they they are making a good call now, for all the right reasons.
From what I have read, the potential danger here is short term at worst, and there is very little chance it will hurt the team down the road. I'm sure a lot of fans will go "OMG HE'S ALREADY CRIPPLED, WHAT HAVE WE DONE, SCREECH SCREECH HOWL", but that's an extreme overreaction, and to me the "glass half full" scenario may be that this temporary injury is a big part of why we got such an absolute steal.
Which I still believe we did. Both parties knew that - at the moment - he was "damaged goods" (albeit very slightly), and that could quite possibly have influenced the price we paid. If so, I'm willing to nurse him through the next couple of months in order to get the best few years of his career in the medium term.
I'm sure there were one or two other teams bidding, and if that made them more cautious, good! I paid my way through over 2 years of college playing poker and blackjack after the bars closed, and I pretty much owe my education to people who thought they were smart but over-evaluated risks and chickened out too soon. "Fortune favors the bold" is the story of my life.
Sources: Packers' Micah Parsons has joint sprain in his back
Packers pass rusher Micah Parsons has been dealing with an L4/L5 facet joint sprain in his back and he may receive an injection before Sunday's game against the Detroit Lions if needed to help him play, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.www.espn.com
I think your assessment is dead on. In most cases, with proper care, therapy, and limitation of activity, pain can disappear in as little as a month, even two-weeks. I don't doubt the Packers' physicians and physical therapy staff are working on him regularly to get this problem into the rear-view mirror.Oh, great...
Not a great start, but I'm not terribly worried about it overall. There's no way Green Bay did not know about this prior to pulling the trigger, and if Gutekunst and the medical staff were fully aware, then they must have good reason to expect that this is an acceptable risk.
At the same time, from what I've read, this is yet another injury that is unlikely to fully resolve if the player plays through it. Doctors say that playing with the injury is possible, but that there will have to be limitations on playing time, practicing, and "load management". There's no way to predict whether he can get through the whole season; some players have done that, with very careful treatment and monitoring, while others have been unable. There's just no way to know. I would suspect that his playing style, and his strengths, are not conducive to playing all-out in the manner which makes the best use of his strongest game.
Sounds like it may be a case where they figure there's not much harm in trying. If, after a couple-few weeks, it looks as though he just can't go all the way, they put him on the list and we'd still probably have him back and ready to go by late November or so, and certainly in time for the stretch run and the playoffs. If they did the cautious thing right now, and rest him until it heals, they'd still be looking at an early-November return. Maybe a one-month difference, at worst. Given what we know about the injury.
It's important to note that in that time span (early-late November through very early December), we face the Eagles, Lions, Vikings, and possibly the Bears on 12/7. That may be the most critical 5-game stretch of the season. If there's a chance we can have him on the field for those games, I think it's worth it to do everything we can to make it as possible as it can be to have him on the field when the rubber hits the road. Because that's why we hired him.
If we lose him in mid-September, and end up not having him available for those few weeks of tough November games (coming back instead in mid-December), well then that's a setback. But if we bluster through, and hope that if we nurse him along the next couple of months and cross our fingers that he's recovered by that time, we're still in a damned good position.
So it's not all that cut and dried - it's not like a jones fracture, where if you make the wrong call you've suddenly turned the injury into a potentially permanent one. This is an injury where even if we totally blow it and make the most absolutely wrong, completely dreadful, worst-case call, we're only wrong by 2-3 months at the absolutely most. And most likely a lot more like 2 months, and maybe not even that.
Hard to say what the best course of action is, because this is one where I am just a fan and a stockholder, so I yield the field to the men we stockholders have chosen to make those calls. They do not seem to make many truly foolish decisions, so I trust that they they are making a good call now, for all the right reasons.
From what I have read, the potential danger here is short term at worst, and there is very little chance it will hurt the team down the road. I'm sure a lot of fans will go "OMG HE'S ALREADY CRIPPLED, WHAT HAVE WE DONE, SCREECH SCREECH HOWL", but that's an extreme overreaction, and to me the "glass half full" scenario may be that this temporary injury is a big part of why we got such an absolute steal.
Which I still believe we did. Both parties knew that - at the moment - he was "damaged goods" (albeit very slightly), and that could quite possibly have influenced the price we paid. If so, I'm willing to nurse him through the next couple of months in order to get the best few years of his career in the medium term.
I'm sure there were one or two other teams bidding, and if that made them more cautious, good! I paid my way through over 2 years of college playing poker and blackjack after the bars closed, and I pretty much owe my education to people who thought they were smart but over-evaluated risks and chickened out too soon. "Fortune favors the bold" is the story of my life.
Sources: Packers' Micah Parsons has joint sprain in his back
Packers pass rusher Micah Parsons has been dealing with an L4/L5 facet joint sprain in his back and he may receive an injection before Sunday's game against the Detroit Lions if needed to help him play, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter.
I seriously doubt it's bad as reported. The Packers Medical staff always been siding with caution. If Parsons was hurt as reported he wouldn't be playing this week.
I don't disagree, I suspect the truth is truly inbetween it being nothing and it being as bad as it appears Dallas is now leaking out it has been and their plan was.
Calm yourself. Parsons had a full physical and medical evaluation before he signed with the Packers. All is good.
Too bad we get 2 games in 5 days. But they do not give byes in WK 1.
Micah is practicing, so all is well. My concern is Hobbs, who didn't practice yesterday. We should keep a close eye on the next practice, if Nate Hobbs isn't participating, I want you to sound the alarm bell.
Historically Clarks run defense PFF numbers:
Gotta agree. The continual "Gluten" thing is cringy. Maybe a little chuckle the first time or 2, but now it's just kinda wierd.
I will take the high road on some of your personal attacks. We are here to talk football, and the goings on of the Green Bay Packers. Let's please do just that.
