Parsons Trade

[tynimiller]

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Yeah he's already stated as much earlier and I think all involved or even observers expect him to suit up - how many snaps will be the question answered only on Sunday.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Just because you constantly condescend in responses and make false claims that I'm declaring something I am not and than I have to correct the record? Those are not personal attacks.

Pretty personal I'd say. Get over me maybe?

And...

If you read and actual comprehend my post, it clearly states: IF you feel you are a better judge of all this than the Packers medical staff.

"IF is the crucial part of the comment" as you say.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Yeah he's already stated as much earlier and I think all involved or even observers expect him to suit up - how many snaps will be the question answered only on Sunday.

I am glad you no longer feel it's a "TERRIBLE" decision for him to play. Have you also changed your mind on Reed? Just curious.

 

[tynimiller]

I am glad you no longer feel it's a "TERRIBLE" decision for him to play. Have you also changed your mind on Reed? Just curious.

Never changed my mind - you just couldn't read the context and actual statement I made.

 

[tynimiller]

Pretty personal I'd say. Get over me maybe?

And...

If you read and actual comprehend my post, it clearly states: IF you feel you are a better judge of all this than the Packers medical staff.

"IF is the crucial part of the comment" as you say.

If you cannot understand the massive difference in the meaning of the word "if" as you placed it in your statement and how I did, I will be unable to assist you.

 

[Voyageur]

I am glad you no longer feel it's a "TERRIBLE" decision for him to play. Have you also changed your mind on Reed? Just curious.

You might want to quit taking everything out here so personal. We have a lot of great posters, and when we disagree with each other we don't turn it into drama. We discuss the differences, and share our personal views on issues. That's what it's all about.

If you want confrontational discussions, there's a lot of sites on the internet that get off on it. Don't bring it here. We're more like a family gathering sharing ideas and opinions, but above all, respecting each other along the way.

 

[El Guapo]

I still think that it's interesting that the Micah Parsons back injury is *potentially* real. I thought that we paid $188M for an injury-free young buck. I hope that all of the epidural talk is just the Packers' and Parsons' way of bringing his phantom injury to a close.

 

[tynimiller]

I still think that it's interesting that the Micah Parsons back injury is *potentially* real. I thought that we paid $188M for an injury-free young buck. I hope that all of the epidural talk is just the Packers' and Parsons' way of bringing his phantom injury to a close.

This is mine as well - IF there is any truth though, here's to hoping we don't push and regret.

 

[gopkrs]

Just from my experience an epidural, injected properly can eliminate the inflammation in a day with that next day being rest. I hope with the elimination of the inflammation, the problem will be resolved because the inflammation will no longer be aggravating the situation.

 

[El Guapo]

Just from my experience an epidural, injected properly can eliminate the inflammation in a day with that next day being rest. I hope with the elimination of the inflammation, the problem will be resolved because the inflammation will no longer be aggravating the situation.

That makes sense to a medically-ignorant fan like myself. However, if this were a real solution to his injury then I have to question why he has waited almost a month to consider getting the shot, or to even get a second opinion.

 

[gopkrs]

That makes sense to a medically-ignorant fan like myself. However, if this were a real solution to his injury then I have to question why he has waited almost a month to consider getting the shot, or to even get a second opinion.

Me too. Except maybe he was hoping it would just go away. Thing is, the inflammation can just keep irritating. Which does not allow the inflammation to go down.

 

[Sunshinepacker]

I'm not a doctor but I read a report from a doctor on Twitter and this is what Brian Sutterer MD (not some random doctor, he was quoted by a few media people) had to say on the subject of Parson's back (I'm summarizing):

- The facet joint sprain is somewhat common among professional athletes
- The epidural will actually be done a few days before the game, those kinds of shots are not casually done and they take a few days to take effect
- This procedure is very common and likely done with multiple players every week without fans/media hearing about it

 

[Sunshinepacker]

Regarding the run defense: I'm certain the run defense is going to be worse this season, not because of Parsons but because the Packers let one of the best run-stopping DTs walk in free agency (can't remember which one, but an ESPN analyst mentioned that he was #1 in run stops last season) and Kenny Clark was in the top 30 of run stopping DTs; however, if it makes anyone feel better, TJ "stop the run" Slatonthat was worth about $7.5m a season to the NFL. If Brinson, Brooks, Stackhouse, and Wyatt show themselves incapable of stopping the run there is no reason that Gute won't be able to to swing an in-season trade for a decent run-stopping DT.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

You might want to quit taking everything out here so personal. We have a lot of great posters, and when we disagree with each other we don't turn it into drama. We discuss the differences, and share our personal views on issues. That's what it's all about.

If you want confrontational discussions, there's a lot of sites on the internet that get off on it. Don't bring it here. We're more like a family gathering sharing ideas and opinions, but above all, respecting each other along the way.

Thanks for trying to completely misrepresent me. That was fun. Welcome to ignore. Feel free to add me as well. You have zero control over what I post here. Have a nice day and life.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

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[milani]

Yeah he's already stated as much earlier and I think all involved or even observers expect him to suit up - how many snaps will be the question answered only on Sunday.

Probably about 30% of the defensive snaps. Lions are a ball control offense and they will plan on trying to run the football 25-30 times. Hopefully, Parsons can get close to full participation by WK 3.

 

[Voyageur]

Regarding the run defense: I'm certain the run defense is going to be worse this season, not because of Parsons but because the Packers let one of the best run-stopping DTs walk in free agency (can't remember which one, but an ESPN analyst mentioned that he was #1 in run stops last season) and Kenny Clark was in the top 30 of run stopping DTs; however, if it makes anyone feel better, TJ "stop the run" Slatonthat was worth about $7.5m a season to the NFL. If Brinson, Brooks, Stackhouse, and Wyatt show themselves incapable of stopping the run there is no reason that Gute won't be able to to swing an in-season trade for a decent run-stopping DT.

You make a valid point. It is possible that that group can't do the job. Right now, we have no idea how it will play out. I think we're going to find out right off the bat against the Lions. I think they're going to test our line to see if it's capable of stopping the run.

 

[OldSchool101]

Regarding the run defense: I'm certain the run defense is going to be worse this season, not because of Parsons but because the Packers let one of the best run-stopping DTs walk in free agency (can't remember which one, but an ESPN analyst mentioned that he was #1 in run stops last season) and Kenny Clark was in the top 30 of run stopping DTs; however, if it makes anyone feel better, TJ "stop the run" Slatonthat was worth about $7.5m a season to the NFL. If Brinson, Brooks, Stackhouse, and Wyatt show themselves incapable of stopping the run there is no reason that Gute won't be able to to swing an in-season trade for a decent run-stopping DT.

Tederell “TJ” Slaton

Don’t quote me word for word but I believe it was ESPN? that had him as #1 in Run Stop Efficiency. However there are wildly conflicting grades on him ranked #157 of 220 qualified DT. 45.5 Grade.Which would be slightly below average. As with many things the truth is probably inbetween for TJ.
He couldn’t have been that bad we finished like #2 in Run Stop efficiency last season as a team, but he did only post 39% D snaps also.

I noticed Rashan Gary also ranked #1 in Run Stop Efficiency for DE/EDGE last season. His is probably more legit PFF also similarly graded him #16/210 Run D grade (75.3 grade).

Then we have Edgerrin. #32/189 LB’s
PFF Run Grade. 78.6 Run Grade

Then Micah Parson #72/210. 65.5 Run grade. He was Top 30 in every major statistical category. Top 10 in hurries; sacks, pressures, Forced Fumbles

 

[David Ciembronowicz]

Wow! What does GB do if Parsons cannot suit up or if he suits up and plays 15-20-25 plays, lots of assets paid for a "PT" player. The total cost to GB for getting this guy is well above the contract he signed for when you include 2 1sts and Gary. Back issues for any lineman should be serious concern especially the 4th-5th thoracic spine issues affect upper chest, arms and stomach and could lead to additional issues. The T4 may involve pain in the upper back and results from "bending, arching, lifting, twisting movements"-- well good thing a DE does not have to do any of those movements .... oops, wrong! Can result in tingling numbness, etc. Further discomfort and pain in lower back radiates to hips, buttocks, and legs due to nerve compression and irritation.
Well guess an injection will help but this sounds like a long term issue and not one that will resolve with playing pro football. Have to believe the Pack decided they would take the plunge even if it costs them well over a hundred million $$$$ plus other assets and could end up resulting in a guy who is very limited long term. Hope I am wrong, but.....

 

[Pugger]

Right now....very little.

He is in the final year of his rookie contract. No team is going to trade more than a 6th round for him, if that.

I think you're right. IMO he shouldn't even be playing. One more knock in the head and who knows?

 

[El Guapo]

Back pain is back pain and he apparently has some. Athletes have to be careful, especially with the type of things that tend to linger or re-injure: hamstring, achilles, back, etc.

These 20yr old athletes only know how to push themselves to greatness. They don't learn how to throttle back until they get wiser. It's like a musician learning that not playing a note can be even more impactful than playing on every beat.

 

[Pugger]

That is if we can force the Lions to throw the ball more. They like to pound us with that run game of theirs.

Our run D last year was pretty decent. The reason our D couldn't get off the field was pass D.

 

[Pugger]

Or practicing. I saw a clip of him at practice and he looked fine.

 

[SudsMcBucky]

Something that was confusing me about the way Parsons contract is being reported on sites is the large discrepancy between his guaranteed money and all the cap hits+ the final dead cap hit, if he gets cut/traded after 3 years. If that $120M is guaranteed, then it has to be full accounted for.

3 years of cap his + final dead cap: $73.6526M

Guaranteed money: $120M

Difference: $46M

Pretty sure that what this means is that if the Packers trade/cut Parsons after 3 years and declare it a post June 1st transaction, his dead cap hits would be $17.6M in 2028 and $46.6886M in 2029.

So a total of $64.2886M in dead cap would still be on the books after 2027. Parsons would be traded or cut and that $64M+, would be spread out over 2 years. That is a lot of cheese.

Obviously the Packers could try to restructure every year, while Parsons is on the team and just keep pushing that cap out as far as possible.

You have to look at how it's structured. It's quite interesting how they kept the cap figure reasonable. The $44 mil guaranteed signing bonus is spread equally over 5 years thru 2029. His $76 mil guaranteed salary is just 2 years (2026 and 2027). After that, his non-guaranteed base goes WAY up but has zero guaranteed base. This was how they kept his cap figure so awesome for these next 3 years ($9.9 mil 2025, $19.2 mil 2026, and $26.8 mil 2027.)

 

[Pkrjones]

Wow! What does GB do if Parsons cannot suit up or if he suits up and plays 15-20-25 plays, lots of assets paid for a "PT" player. The total cost to GB for getting this guy is well above the contract he signed for when you include 2 1sts and Gary. Back issues for any lineman should be serious concern especially the 4th-5th thoracic spine issues affect upper chest, arms and stomach and could lead to additional issues. The T4 may involve pain in the upper back and results from "bending, arching, lifting, twisting movements"-- well good thing a DE does not have to do any of those movements .... oops, wrong! Can result in tingling numbness, etc. Further discomfort and pain in lower back radiates to hips, buttocks, and legs due to nerve compression and irritation.
Well guess an injection will help but this sounds like a long term issue and not one that will resolve with playing pro football. Have to believe the Pack decided they would take the plunge even if it costs them well over a hundred million $$$$ plus other assets and could end up resulting in a guy who is very limited long term. Hope I am wrong, but.....

Parsons has a sprain of the L4/L5 facet joint, which is roughly 18-20" lower than the Thoracic (T4/5) area, and has NOTHING to do with upper back, chest, arms, tingling, etc.
Cortisone injections to help reduce swelling, ice, stretching, massage, and/or rest are treatment options. He's got world-class medical care to treat & get him onto the field.
As fans we the most we can do is get behind the team & enjoy the road to Super Bowl 60!