Packers vs Browns Game Thread: If its Brown flush it down edition

[RockyRaccoon]

I disagree with that, I think there was plenty of blame to go around in that game. It was a group effort.
Except Mason Crosby, he had no blame.

Yep. I've always found it funny how fans look at the choke job in the final minutes and forget this game should have been over by halftime.

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[gonzozab]

Easy. Any loss to the Bears in the past 30 years. Any loss to the Lions prior to 2020. Nearly every playoff loss in the last 25 years where we were the #1 seed playing at home. That's just off the top of my head. How about the Colts in 1997? Those were all worse and then some.


Opinions aren't facts. You thinking they are is your problem, not mine.

All wrong.

 

[milani]

We haven't lost 8 straight games to the Cowpies. WTF are you talking about?

Well, the Browns tried to extend an 8 game losing streak. We disagreed.

 

[RockyRaccoon]

The only question in point is if you have been a fan long enough despite all the Packer successes there have been a number of historic chokes going back pre-Lombardi. BUT this one lands pretty high on the list and will not be forgotten.

Only way this is not forgotten will be if it is the start of a collapse that includes a lot of other bad losses. Or, you know, 30 years from now some fan somewhere will be pointing out after a bad loss that a dominant Packers championship team lost to an inferior team in week 3.

Hot take that probably shouldn't be a hot take: if the Browns stay healthy and figure out their offense, they could be a playoff team. And a scary one. That defense is legit. They could very easily be 2-1 right now with wins against 2 of the top teams in the NFL. Maybe 3-0, but I know nothing of their week 1 game.

 

[BrokenArrow]

What we saw is not correctable in the short term.

Can you please expand on this part in detail, then we will have something other than conjecture to discuss and analyze. What exactly was not correctable?

 

[Half Empty]

Easy. Any loss to the Bears in the past 30 years. Any loss to the Lions prior to 2020. Nearly every playoff loss in the last 25 years where we were the #1 seed playing at home. That's just off the top of my head. How about the Colts in 1997? Those were all worse and then some.

I think it has to be the definition of 'worse'. It seems the person you responded to is considering the quality of play, not the impact of the loss to the ego or standings. No loss to the Bears or Lions was played OK but the Pack came up short. No playoff loss was the same? The Colts and Packers in '97 was a shootout - last score wins. Few beyond the Seattle playoff loss and (for a particular play) 4-and-26 were just played this badly.

 

[Half Empty]

Hot take that probably shouldn't be a hot take: if the Browns stay healthy and figure out their offense, they could be a playoff team. And a scary one. That defense is legit.

Just jumped out at me that, if one replaces Browns with Packers, this still rings true.

 

[rmontro]

Can you please expand on this part in detail, then we will have something other than conjecture to discuss and analyze. What exactly was not correctable?

I recall someone in the past week here warning that the Browns tackle hard and play rough. Those are just the sort of teams that tend to beat us. We looked pretty tough in the first two games and parts of today, but that isn't the overall impression from today.

 

[melvin dangerr]

It’s always 4 qtrs of football not 3/4, and it’s play to the last whistle, or when the fat lady sings, I have never been a fan of conservative football, score and keep scoring until the games over, yes it’s only the 3rd game, but what made this loss so bad was their lack of football discipline, the refs were annoying but they didn’t cause the Packers to lose this game, it was the Packers who lost this game, I have never been a real fan of MLF or Love and a meltdown like this can’t happen again this season or changes have to be forced, starting with a oline search, it’s a long way to go and MLF and his staff needs to clean this up.

 

[RockyRaccoon]

I think it has to be the definition of 'worse'. It seems the person you responded to is considering the quality of play, not the impact of the loss to the ego or standings. No loss to the Bears or Lions was played OK but the Pack came up short. No playoff loss was the same? The Colts and Packers in '97 was a shootout - last score wins. Few beyond the Seattle playoff loss and (for a particular play) 4-and-26 were just played this badly.

2007 NFCCG loss to NYG, 2011 playoff loss to NYG, the Kaepernick game, hell most of our recent playoff games against SF. Do you remember Rodgers' last playoff game? Against SF? That was god awful. I'm forgetting way more than I can remember, and I've only been watching football since ~92.

 

[gopkrs]

We should not play to leave the least amont of time on the clock imho. Even if it means maybe leaving more time; we should play for leaving 0 time on the clock.

 

[RockyRaccoon]

Just jumped out at me that, if one replaces Browns with Packers, this still rings true.

Packers offense is fine. They got a wake up call on the road against an elite defense with a patchwork O-line, and still had to shoot themselves in the feet, hands, and everywhere else to lose the game. Two things: stay healthy, cut out the damn penalties.

 

[Half Empty]

2007 NFCCG loss to NYG, 2011 playoff loss to NYG, the Kaepernick game, hell most of our recent playoff games against SF. Do you remember Rodgers' last playoff game? Against SF? That was god awful. I'm forgetting way more than I can remember, and I've only been watching football since ~92.

Guess we have to leave this 'in the eye of the beholder'. Most of the games didn't seem as poorly played, start to finish, as this one - to me.

 

[milani]

Only way this is not forgotten will be if it is the start of a collapse that includes a lot of other bad losses. Or, you know, 30 years from now some fan somewhere will be pointing out after a bad loss that a dominant Packers championship team lost to an inferior team in week 3.

Hot take that probably shouldn't be a hot take: if the Browns stay healthy and figure out their offense, they could be a playoff team. And a scary one. That defense is legit. They could very easily be 2-1 right now with wins against 2 of the top teams in the NFL. Maybe 3-0, but I know nothing of their week 1 game.

They will not figure out their offense. Not this season.

 

[rmontro]

Packers offense is fine. They got a wake up call on the road against an elite defense with a patchwork O-line, and still had to shoot themselves in the feet, hands, and everywhere else to lose the game.

I don't know how much confidence I have in our offense. I mean it's decent, it's balanced. And Cleveland right now is #1 in the NFL in defensive yards. But still, 10 points? I don't know if we have the kind of high powered offense that can put up a lot of points. Minnesota, Washington, and Seattle put up points in the 40s today. They weren't playing the Browns offense, but still. Oh well, I will try to be patient.

 

[RockyRaccoon]

I don't know how much confidence I have in our offense. I mean it's decent, it's balanced. And Cleveland right now is #1 in the NFL in defensive yards. But still, 10 points? I don't know if we have the kind of high powered offense that can put up a lot of points. Minnesota, Washington, and Seattle put up points in the 40s today. They weren't playing the Browns offense, but still. Oh well, I will try to be patient.

The Cowboys defense is making Caleb Williams look good right now.... Wake up call today. Next week, we feast.

 

[rmontro]

The Cowboys defense is making Caleb Williams look good right now.... Wake up call today. Next week, we feast.

We had better.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I think it has to be the definition of 'worse'. It seems the person you responded to is considering the quality of play, not the impact of the loss to the ego or standings. No loss to the Bears or Lions was played OK but the Pack came up short. No playoff loss was the same? The Colts and Packers in '97 was a shootout - last score wins. Few beyond the Seattle playoff loss and (for a particular play) 4-and-26 were just played this badly.

I've seen countless games where we played worse MUCH worse. Games where we gave up tons of yards and points and scored very little and gave up tons of return yards. It's as if nobody remembers Dom Capers. The defense was excellent yet again. It's not their fault the offense only mustered 10 points.

 

[milani]

I don't know how much confidence I have in our offense. I mean it's decent, it's balanced. And Cleveland right now is #1 in the NFL in defensive yards. But still, 10 points? I don't know if we have the kind of high powered offense that can put up a lot of points. Minnesota, Washington, and Seattle put up points in the 40s today. They weren't playing the Browns offense, but still. Oh well, I will try to be patient.

Our O line is sub par. 3 games in and teams know how to stop the run. MLF still is too stubborn to put a FB or a TE in the backfield. 1st and 10 at the 21 and unless you are kneeling you need some punch. A shorter FG is harder to block. And even on our TD we were stuffed twice before Love made a rollout TD. Then we even botched the tush play.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I have never been a real fan of MLF or Love and a meltdown like this can’t happen again this season or changes have to be forced,

And what kind of changes do you plan to force? Modern NFL fans simply aren't used to seeing defensive slug-fests anymore and fail to understand that those kind of games hinge on the tiniest things. In this case, if not for a lucky hand in the air, McManus likely makes the FG and we win the game. Yet some people are already gearing up to start *****ing about firing people and immediately returning to rebuild mode. It's just crazy.

 

[milani]

And what kind of changes do you plan to force? Modern NFL fans simply aren't used to seeing defensive slug-fests anymore and fail to understand that those kind of games hinge on the tiniest things. In this case, if not for a lucky hand in the air, McManus likely makes the FG and we win the game. Yet some people are already gearing up to start *****ing about firing people and immediately returning to rebuild mode. It's just crazy.

The problem is that these inadequacies and failures we expected in 2023 when we lost 4th quarter games like this to Denver, Atlanta, Vegas, Pittsburgh, and KC. By 2025 most of these players AND coaches should have matured to some extent including Love. If you watched Baker Mayfield the first 3 games this season you will see a fighter, a leader, an inspiration. He won those 3 games himself. The Browns have to be seething.

 

[gopkrs]

I realize that most likely the metrics don't support it, but I would have preferred to throw the ball down there. Really go for the first down. A shorter field goal if we succeed. And no time on the clock. In this instance, the shorter kick was important. And we almost lost a fumble anyway.

 

[melvin dangerr]

And what kind of changes do you plan to force? Modern NFL fans simply aren't used to seeing defensive slug-fests anymore and fail to understand that those kind of games hinge on the tiniest things. In this case, if not for a lucky hand in the air, McManus likely makes the FG and we win the game. Yet some people are already gearing up to start *****ing about firing people and immediately returning to rebuild mode. It's just crazy.

I don’t believe any where in my comments I said anything about firing, and the changes that need to be forced are decisions on play calling, and schemes, you have to 2 good games and 1 terribly bad one and you don’t think the game plan shouldn't change up some, it wasn’t just the block FG, it was TO’s, weak Oline play, and stupid penalties that was the difference in the game, complaint’s about a loss doesn’t mean firing people, that’s decided at the end of the season.

 

[BrokenArrow]

The problem is that these inadequacies and failures we expected in 2023 when we lost 4th quarter games like this to Denver, Atlanta, Vegas, Pittsburgh, and KC. By 2025 most of these players AND coaches should have matured to some extent including Love. If you watched Baker Mayfield the first 3 games this season you will see a fighter, a leader, an inspiration. He won those 3 games himself. The Browns have to be seething.

It sounds like you were expecting us to be 20-0 this season or something.

 

[BrokenArrow]

I don’t believe any where in my comments I said anything about firing, and the changes that need to be forced are decisions on play calling, and schemes, you have to 2 good games and 1 terribly bad one and you don’t think the game plan shouldn't change up some, it wasn’t just the block FG, it was TO’s, weak Oline play, and stupid penalties that was the difference in the game, complaint’s about a loss doesn’t mean firing people, that’s decided at the end of the season.

Ok, well those are called adjustments and I'm sure adjustments will be made. And yeah, when you're missing your 2 best tackles against a top 5 DL, your OL is always going to struggle. As for the stupid penalties, the holding and PI in the last 5 minutes were both complete bull ****.