FrankRizzo
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Super Bowl was bad.... but this looks like a high school mismatch.Did you miss the Super Bowl?
It made my turkey and potatoes taste so bad.
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Super Bowl was bad.... but this looks like a high school mismatch.Did you miss the Super Bowl?
Football Outsiders adjusted games lost isn’t an assumption even if you want to nitpick the effectiveness of those starters. And of course an injury to a starter has a cascading effect on the rest of the roster and particularly on STs.I find the injury issue to be a matter of assumption and not demonstration.
No, it’s that the team needs adequate play from the QB spot and with both in camp all off season they’ll get it this season. Also, for some reason the D went from playing well for the first 6-7 games of the season and then went completely in the tank. While everything on the field is ultimately Thompson’s responsibility, I wouldn’t blame his talent acquisition for the fall off as the talent he acquired began the year doing well.By the way, to whatever extent Flynn or Tolzien might be judged above the league average at some future date correlated with a commensurate record above 0.500 record in relief, then this would simply reinforce the notion that the roster outside the QB position is not particularly strong.
Thompson has had more draftees make the team than any other GM in the last 10 years... and we're a contending football team. So, you know... there's that.
they missed your sarcasmIt's too bad we don't have a big tough man like you running the show. We'd win a lot more than we have recently without TT stinking it up. He clearly doesn't know what he's doing, whereas guys who make trades all the time win everything.
So, here's the link to Football Outsider's study:Football Outsiders adjusted games lost isn’t an assumption even if you want to nitpick the effectiveness of those starters.
Football Outsiders adjusted games lost isn’t an assumption even if you want to nitpick the effectiveness of those starters.
"...it’s that the team needs adequate play from the QB spot and with both in camp all off season they’ll get it this season.
Also, for some reason the D went from playing well for the first 6-7 games of the season and then went completely in the tank. While everything on the field is ultimately Thompson’s responsibility, I wouldn’t blame his talent acquisition for the fall off as the talent he acquired began the year doing well.
You’re not a fan of Thompson and I am so we’ll never agree about this. I give him credit beyond just the Rodgers pick and cap management and you don’t. IMO his W-L record since hiring his guy as HC supports my view.
You write you’re not a hater but you’re at least close to that description: You insist the pick of Rodgers was needs based – contradicting Brandt who was in the organization and in the draft room while the pick was made. You admit you neglected to credit him with the McCarthy selection – certainly an out of the box decision at the time. You neglect to mention one of his biggest gambles – the expensive trade up for Matthews. You downplay the impact of injuries although it’s pretty well established (by nearly everyone but you) the Packers have been one of the hardest hit teams in the league over the past few years. And how about the 2010 team, ending the season with 15 players on IR and the Lombardi trophy in hand? Or doesn’t that count because it was “early” in his tenure? You even attempt to undermine his management of the cap. (Yes, Murphy has to rubber stamp huge contracts but there’s no evidence to suggest Thompson is not fully at the helm.)Right, I'm not a fan of Thompson; I'm not a hater either. While one can make a career out of a couple of home run decisions early on, I just don't see where he deserves the reputation as a "top 5" or "top 10" GM many choose to ascribe to him given the last few years worth of personnel decisions...less than stellar drafts and lack of value-plumbing in the free agent market.
If draftees make the team does that validate that they positively contribute?Thompson has had more draftees make the team than any other GM in the last 10 years... and we're a contending football team. So, you know... there's that.
I would suggest stopping with the logic. You will continue to get a beat down.Well, having only three players of an entire draft class on the roster only two years later isn´t satisfying, especially when being a draft and develop team.
I don't expend the emotion of hating on "average". I'm sensible enough to know the situation could be worse. Who are ALL of the better ones? I could not say...but what I see is an average roster outside the QB position and that should be sufficient.You write you’re not a hater but you’re at least close to that description: You insist the pick of Rodgers was needs based – contradicting Brandt who was in the organization and in the draft room while the pick was made. You admit you neglected to credit him with the McCarthy selection – certainly an out of the box decision at the time. You neglect to mention one of his biggest gambles – the expensive trade up for Matthews. You downplay the impact of injuries although it’s pretty well established (by nearly everyone but you) the Packers have been one of the hardest hit teams in the league over the past few years. And how about the 2010 team, ending the season with 15 players on IR and the Lombardi trophy in hand? Or doesn’t that count because it was “early” in his tenure? You even attempt to undermine his management of the cap. (Yes, Murphy has to rubber stamp huge contracts but there’s no evidence to suggest Thompson is not fully at the helm.)
How does the national media rate Thompson as a GM? See if you can find one that has him out of the top 10. And how about his peers? SI did a poll of 12 GMs in September of 2013 and 9 of them pick Newsome as the best (of course the Ravens won the title the previous year). “The only other GM getting votes was Thompson. One of the three GMs who voted for Thompson cited his "core principle beliefs and patience. He never wavers. He'll stay true to his plan.” http://www.si.com/nfl/2013/09/04/nfl-gm-poll-belichick-newsome
Since you allege he’s not in the top 10 GMs, which 10 would you rate ahead of Thompson? And to be fair, be sure to selectively evaluate the job their doing. For example, If they did something well “too long ago” be sure to discount it. If they have a pretty well agreed upon strength, be sure to downplay it by attributing it to someone else in their organization.
Of course he's made mistakes but I'm glad the Packers have him and I'm glad they extended his contract.
Can anyone explain this?Super Bowl was bad.... but this looks like a high school mismatch.
It made my turkey and potatoes taste so bad.
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If draftees make the team does that validate that they positively contribute?
Just askin'
Good question!!Does this present a savings to the cap?
So my “self” contradiction is directing others to another thread if they wanted to read a discussion of a subject rather than re-hash the subject? And it’s a contradiction because I wrote I was done with that discussion on the thread to which they were directed? That’s laughable. I understand your sensitivity about being confronted with direct evidence from Brandt that contradicts your opinion of the Rodgers’ pick but that’s really stretching it. And BTW, I didn’t give up my ability to comment on that pick ever again; it was pointless going 'round and 'round as you attempted to recover from what Brandt plainly said. But speaking of contradictions:Speaking of self-contradictions you and Brandt have something in common. In your case it was the matter of being done with that bit of discussion about need vs. value while directing interested parties to another thread to continue that self-same discussion.
I just don't see where he deserves the reputation as a "top 5" or "top 10" GM many choose to ascribe to him ...
So you’re certain Thompson isn’t a top 5 or top 10 GM but you have no idea who is in the top 5 or top 10 GMs?Who are ALL of the better ones? I could not say....
You write you’re not a hater but you’re at least close to that description: You insist the pick of Rodgers was needs based – contradicting Brandt who was in the organization and in the draft room while the pick was made. You admit you neglected to credit him with the McCarthy selection – certainly an out of the box decision at the time. You neglect to mention one of his biggest gambles – the expensive trade up for Matthews. You downplay the impact of injuries although it’s pretty well established (by nearly everyone but you) the Packers have been one of the hardest hit teams in the league over the past few years. And how about the 2010 team, ending the season with 15 players on IR and the Lombardi trophy in hand? Or doesn’t that count because it was “early” in his tenure? You even attempt to undermine his management of the cap. (Yes, Murphy has to rubber stamp huge contracts but there’s no evidence to suggest Thompson is not fully at the helm.)
How does the national media rate Thompson as a GM? See if you can find one that has him out of the top 10. And how about his peers? SI did a poll of 12 GMs in September of 2013 and 9 of them pick Newsome as the best (of course the Ravens won the title the previous year). “The only other GM getting votes was Thompson. One of the three GMs who voted for Thompson cited his "core principle beliefs and patience. He never wavers. He'll stay true to his plan.” http://www.si.com/nfl/2013/09/04/nfl-gm-poll-belichick-newsome
Since you allege he’s not in the top 10 GMs, which 10 would you rate ahead of Thompson? And to be fair, be sure to selectively evaluate the job their doing. For example, If they did something well “too long ago” be sure to discount it. If they have a pretty well agreed upon strength, be sure to downplay it by attributing it to someone else in their organization.
Of course he's made mistakes but I'm glad the Packers have him and I'm glad they extended his contract.
The vast majority of players on our team have never played for anyone but the Packers, so CLEARLY they positively contribute.
I have to say it was partially needs based. Having someone be groomed to take over one day instead of being thrown to the wolves has much better results...... as we have clearly seen. A trial by fire for a rookie QB rarely works out. I would say Andrew Luck has been the best in a while.In reality, it didn't make a lot of sense to draft a qb when you have another qb with multiple years left. surely it wasn't needs based.
I have to say it was partially needs based. Having someone be groomed to take over one day instead of being thrown to the wolves has much better results...... as we have clearly seen. A trial by fire for a rookie QB rarely works out. I would say Andrew Luck has been the best in a while.
How do you know they are good enough to play for someone else?The vast majority of players on our team have never played for anyone but the Packers, so CLEARLY they positively contribute.
Because we own our division, we're a perennial playoff team, and this year we will be a legitimate SB contender. That's how. Combine that with the fact that our castoffs routinely find their way onto other team's rosters and it's really not that difficult.How do you know they are good enough to play for someone else?
So my “self” contradiction is directing others to another thread if they wanted to read a discussion of a subject rather than re-hash the subject? And it’s a contradiction because I wrote I was done with that discussion on the thread to which they were directed? That’s laughable.