Packers Trade Candidates

[milani]

Oh gosh we don’t need that. Great comparison. Both played for KC also which is similar. Get him outta here!!

Bayless said that " teams figured Parsons out " after his rookie year. That is nonsense. You never " figure out " great players. You just game plan and compensate for them as best you can. Lombardi never " figured out " **** Butkus over the 3 seasons he faced him. He just realized he could not run certain plays against him that he would against other MLBs. But that limits what you can do. Bayless is way off on this.

 

[Deleted member 18607 aka in gute we trust]

Bayless said that " teams figured Parsons out " after his rookie year. That is nonsense. You never " figure out " great players. You just game plan and compensate for them as best you can. Lombardi never " figured out " **** Butkus over the 3 seasons he faced him. He just realized he could not run certain plays against him that he would against other MLBs. But that limits what you can do. Bayless is way off on this.

Bayless is a jelaous hater, a hack, & irrelevant. I never give him the attention he craves. I am not even sure where to find what he says or does. Again, totally irrelevant to me.

 

[OldSchool101]

Bayless said that " teams figured Parsons out " after his rookie year. That is nonsense. You never " figure out " great players. You just game plan and compensate for them as best you can. Lombardi never " figured out " **** Butkus over the 3 seasons he faced him. He just realized he could not run certain plays against him that he would against other MLBs. But that limits what you can do. Bayless is way off on this.

Oh yeah Skip is just furious over this, his overreaction looks like someone on a bad acid trip listening to Pink Floyd the Wall and running through a graveyard at night with a large group of friends! Don’t ask me how I know

 

[milani]

Oh yeah Skip is just furious over this, his overreaction looks like someone on a bad acid trip listening to Pink Floyd the Wall and running through a graveyard at night with a large group of friends! Don’t ask me how I know

And landed on the Dark Side of the Moon.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I appreciate your input 13 you’re always educated and insightful. So don’t take this as discounting any of this.

Thanks a lot, guy, I appreciate it. It means a lot to me. And no, I didn't take any offense at all - especially not if it's coming from you.

Ironically did some reading about Jones Fractures also. I could give you a litany of responses, but any would be conflicting because nobody knows his timeline except maybe himself and maybe not even that! I’m not going to jinx him giving a timeline but imo based on he’s actually suited up already? He’s been out a month already and we’re still 10 days out. They feel like he has a legit chance of playing through it and managing it, so this far he hasn’t had any complications.

The problem is, that 10-12 week timeline assumes he is not putting any stress on the bone - the clock doesn't start ticking until normal treatment actually begins, and that treatment includes complete rest of the injured area. You just don't play "through" a Jones fracture; you can theoretically play with one, but the entire time you're doing that, it is getting worse instead of better. I did a lot of googling, and I was unable to find a single example of an NFL player successfully playing "through"a Jones fracture.

I'm not going to keep banging away at the same tiresome drum like some demented Energizer bunny, but I just don't think this is going to end well. IMO, the greatest likleihood is that he's going to have an abbreviated season, and that most likely he's going to be off the field from sometime in September to maybe mid-December. We'll get him back for the stretch run and the playoffs.

And I don't think for a minute that the Packer staff "thinks he has a legit chance of playing through it and managing it." The closest I was able to find was when a reporter asked Lafleur if he thought it was going to work out, and he said "well, I hope so." On a scale of 1-10, that's about a 2.

But like I said elsewhere, they don't stand to lose much. If he can't do it, we only lose 2-3 weeks. We'll know pretty quickly which direction it's going; like, probably early next week. If it goes bad against Detroit, Heath gets his chance to step up, and we'll see what he has to offer. It's probably the deepest position on the entire roster.

 

[OldSchool101]

Thanks a lot, guy, I appreciate it. It means a lot to me. And no, I didn't take any offense at all - especially not if it's coming from you.



The problem is, that 10-12 week timeline assumes he is not putting any stress on the bone - the clock doesn't start ticking until normal treatment actually begins, and that treatment includes complete rest of the injured area. You just don't play "through" a Jones fracture; you can theoretically play with one, but the entire time you're doing that, it is getting worse instead of better. I did a lot of googling, and I was unable to find a single example of an NFL player successfully playing "through"a Jones fracture.

I'm not going to keep banging away at the same tiresome drum like some demented Energizer bunny, but I just don't think this is going to end well. IMO, the greatest likleihood is that he's going to have an abbreviated season, and that most likely he's going to be off the field from sometime in September to maybe mid-December. We'll get him back for the stretch run and the playoffs.

And I don't think for a minute that the Packer staff "thinks he has a legit chance of playing through it and managing it." The closest I was able to find was when a reporter asked Lafleur if he thought it was going to work out, and he said "well, I hope so." On a scale of 1-10, that's about a 2.

But like I said elsewhere, they don't stand to lose much. If he can't do it, we only lose 2-3 weeks. We'll know pretty quickly which direction it's going; like, probably early next week. If it goes bad against Detroit, Heath gets his chance to step up, and we'll see what he has to offer. It's probably the deepest position on the entire roster.

I guess we’re about to find out. This whole thing with Reed is a mystery. I suppose like anything, the location and severity of the injury will surface his prognosis pretty quickly once he’s back running around.

I only hope this is an unusual variety that was classified as a break, but it’s possible it’s like some minor hairline level and it’s showing signs of early healing. Him being gimpy could just be lack of flexibility in his foot/ankle area, not so much the injury itself, but the atrophy to the surrounding area. 5-6 weeks is a long time to have a joint immobilized.

 

[tynimiller]

Don't look now but Bengals are 2-0.....and Joe Burrow might be down for some time with his injury....the Malik Willis perfect storm could be incoming....

Gute of course won't let him go unless it is a serious price tag....

 

[XPack]

the Malik Willis perfect storm could be incoming

I don't think he'll attract 1-2 round picks. Honestly, for anything down, I'd rather keep Willis. Maybe if we can trade involving another intriguing prospect...

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't think he'll attract 1-2 round picks. Honestly, for anything down, I'd rather keep Willis. Maybe if we can trade involving another intriguing prospect...

I suspect GB gets a 3rd/4th comp in 2027, which will pair with a couple more Day 3 compensatory selections and help offset loss of our Day 1 trade. If we can still get a 2027
2nd, 3rd, 4th, 4th comp, 5th, 5th comp, 6th, 6th comp, 7th, 7th comp we’ll be able to sustain filling holes.

2025 is quite possibly our SB season and with this Defense? I feel really good about Malik winning a few games if Love misses time. I don’t want to derail a SB season trying to better our draft position by a round or two. There’s a price to part with him but for me? Give me a Cinci 2nd Rounder straight up (to likely be later 2nd) and 2027 4th Rounder for our 5th rounder.

 

[tynimiller]

I don't think he'll attract 1-2 round picks. Honestly, for anything down, I'd rather keep Willis. Maybe if we can trade involving another intriguing prospect...

I don't say it as an advocate for it, but the perfect storm of what might make it happen is something like that.

As for his value I do think the right desperate team could go as high as a 2nd rounder...but in truth I could see something like a 2026 3rd and a 2027 4th with conditions....

That's where I think his value is roughly if pressed for it. IF I'm Gute my starting point is a 2026 2nd and a 2027 conditional which say starts at a 6th but could go clear to a 2nd depending on conditions agreed. If I'm not in that realm I'm not even wasting time and see if they want to chat about cigars or bourbon instead of player trades LOL

 

[gopkrs]

I am for holding steady unless we have an injury that necesitates some kind of trade. I would not throw in the towel if Malik had to play. So standing pat and going all the way is my wish. There is one thing on my list though, if possible. Give Haf more many if he's willing to stay next year at least. And it doesn't affect the salary cap.

 

[tynimiller]

I am for holding steady unless we have an injury that necesitates some kind of trade. I would not throw in the towel if Malik had to play. So standing pat and going all the way is my wish. There is one thing on my list though, if possible. Give Haf more many if he's willing to stay next year at least. And it doesn't affect the salary cap.

Coaches don't impact the salary cap.

I don't suspect any movement happens with Malik unless the return is just way more than Gute can say no to. I think most folks would be in that camp like me and you where it'd have to be an offer that just makes you go...well hang on a minute....

 

[gopkrs]

Coaches don't impact the salary cap.

Pretty sure that's what I said

 

[tynimiller]

Pretty sure that's what I said

I must have misunderstood or misread.

 

[OldSchool101]

I don't say it as an advocate for it, but the perfect storm of what might make it happen is something like that.

As for his value I do think the right desperate team could go as high as a 2nd rounder...but in truth I could see something like a 2026 3rd and a 2027 4th with conditions....

That's where I think his value is roughly if pressed for it. IF I'm Gute my starting point is a 2026 2nd and a 2027 conditional which say starts at a 6th but could go clear to a 2nd depending on conditions agreed. If I'm not in that realm I'm not even wasting time and see if they want to chat about cigars or bourbon instead of player trades LOL

I just think a later 3rd isn’t enough to part ways. Rasul for a 3rd? Ok. I get it Not for a potential stating QB. A 2026 2nd straight up and id maybe ask for a future later day 3 swap and Im not too proud. I mean dang we got him
For a 7th

 

[tynimiller]

I just think a later 3rd isn’t enough to part ways. Rasul for a 3rd? Ok. I get it Not for a potential stating QB. A 2026 2nd straight up and id maybe ask for a future later day 3 swap and Im not too proud. I mean dang we got him
For a 7th

Shoot if the Bengals call and I'm Gute I'd likely say "You tell me what you need back with him to get us your 2026 1st rounder and maybe I'll listen" and hang up before they can answer....let it marinate LOL

 

[tynimiller]

I’ve now seen multiple Packer insiders say Gute turned down a 4th from chargers and a fifth from saints for Quay because we are extending him.

Mildly shocked honestly and yes he pairs well with what we have now but I just don’t hope we sped too much

 

[tynimiller]

Don't look now but Bengals are 2-0.....and Joe Burrow might be down for some time with his injury....the Malik Willis perfect storm could be incoming....

Gute of course won't let him go unless it is a serious price tag....

Add more for the perfect storm lol (again not meaning I’d do it but these are the things needed to cause the perfect storm)

We worked out QB Dorian Thompson Robinson….

 

[gopkrs]

I’ve now seen multiple Packer insiders say Gute turned down a 4th from chargers and a fifth from saints for Quay because we are extending him.

Mildly shocked honestly and yes he pairs well with what we have now but I just don’t hope we sped too much

I really don't understand how you cannot see he is worth more than that to have him even if it is only this year. Same with Doubs.

 

[milani]

Don't look now but Bengals are 2-0.....and Joe Burrow might be down for some time with his injury....the Malik Willis perfect storm could be incoming....

Gute of course won't let him go unless it is a serious price tag....

Bengals will go with Browning right now. Burrows could be out about as long as Brock Purdy is in Frisco. IR might change that. If anyone would be on the table to go to one of those teams it could Kirk Cousins.

Don't look now but Bengals are 2-0.....and Joe Burrow might be down for some time with his injury....the Malik Willis perfect storm could be incoming....

Gute of course won't let him go unless it is a serious price tag....

 

[Pkrjones]

Bengals will go with Browning right now. Burrows could be out about as long as Brock Purdy is in Frisco. IR might change that. If anyone would be on the table to go to one of those teams it could Kirk Cousins.

Cousins would come with his existing contract... base salaries of $27.5mil in '25, $35mil in both '26 & '27. No team needing a temporary QB will saddle themselves with $97.5mil over next 3 years.

Malik Willis costs less than $1.1mil in '25 and a potential new team can choose to re-sign him OR get a '27 comp pick.

 

[milani]

Cousins would come with his existing contract... base salaries of $27.5mil in '25, $35mil in both '26 & '27. No team needing a temporary QB will saddle themselves with $97.5mil over next 3 years.

Malik Willis costs less than $1.1mil in '25 and a potential new team can choose to re-sign him OR get a '27 comp pick.

5 starting QBs went down in the first 2 weeks. That is why we need to keep Willis. Love is not Brett Favre.

 

[OldSchool101]

Cousins would come with his existing contract... base salaries of $27.5mil in '25, $35mil in both '26 & '27. No team needing a temporary QB will saddle themselves with $97.5mil over next 3 years.

Malik Willis costs less than $1.1mil in '25 and a potential new team can choose to re-sign him OR get a '27 comp pick.

Yeah didn’t consider that. They could use him for a season and likely get a 4th comp etc.

Shoot if the Bengals call and I'm Gute I'd likely say "You tell me what you need back with him to get us your 2026 1st rounder and maybe I'll listen" and hang up before they can answer....let it marinate LOL

if they called and said their 2026 Day 1 for our 2026 3rd, 4th Rounders + Malik, would you move on him?

 

[tynimiller]

Yeah didn’t consider that. They could use him for a season and likely get a 4th comp etc.

if they called and said their 2026 Day 1 for our 2026 3rd, 4th Rounders + Malik, would you move on him?

I’d say “Malik and our 2027 3rd for your 2026 1st and 2027 6th” (hang up phone)

 

[tynimiller]

I really don't understand how you cannot see he is worth more than that to have him even if it is only this year. Same with Doubs.

I’m not mildly shocked we aren’t trading him, I’m mildly shocked we are going to pay him - he has not been a guy I’m investing a ton into at this time. BUT the argument could be sign him now before he keeps progressing.