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Eh....yes and no - rare but historically they have at times for sure. By they I'm speaking to guys truly elite at the time of the acquisition...going off memory so forgive me likely forgetting some:

Reggie White easily might be the greatest FA signing
Drew Brees
Deion Sanders
Charles Woodson
Priest Holmes
Simeon Rice

Few that are right there on edge, that played elite for a few more years or were for sure BIG guys still that came to mind is Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning
None of those guys were in their prime when they were signed as FA. We got Reggie and Charles on the back side of their careers while they still had 3 or 4 years of gas in the tank. Parsons has a solid 10 years left in his, at least, barring career-changing injury.
 

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Eh....yes and no - rare but historically they have at times for sure. By they I'm speaking to guys truly elite at the time of the acquisition...going off memory so forgive me likely forgetting some:

Reggie White easily might be the greatest FA signing
Drew Brees
Deion Sanders
Charles Woodson
Priest Holmes
Simeon Rice

Few that are right there on edge, that played elite for a few more years or were for sure BIG guys still that came to mind is Jerry Rice and Peyton Manning
I don't talk on here much. And I haven't said anything on here in some time. And I love lists, but yours bothers me. Respectfully. Let me explain.
I get what you are trying to get across here. Elite players like Parsons do reach free agency. But it is very very rare. You put a very small handful of names up but some of those names don't belong up there. I'm talking about elite players you build teams around, change teams. Names you know will make an impact. Impacts that win championships. Let us go through this:

Reggie White - Yes.
Drew Brees? No. Though he won a superbowl and was among the elite a few year after, no one considered him one at that time he was a free agent. He had, in his 5 years prior to going to the saints: year one a backup, two a barely mediocre year, three a bad year he got benched, four a good year, then finished with a decent year. He was more akin to a Kirk Cousins type of free agent, not a "we a we buying a super bowl this year with this guy" type of talent. But still a type of player that rarely reaches free agency. There was also a major injury concern with him too at the time.
Deion Sanders - Again yes.
Charles Woodson. As much as some would disagree, no. Was he still an elite player when he got to Green Bay? Yes. Was he viewed as an elite player when he got to Green Bay? No. Not anymore. He missed like 20 some games from injuries over the last few years of his time in Oakland. He was viewed as injury prone and broken. No one wanted him. He was not a highly sought after target on the market. He even said he only went to Green Bay because they were the only team to offer him a contract. He would be better suited in the same category Jerry Rice is in.
Priest Holmes. Again no. Dude had one good year prior to being a backup before signing for peanuts and nickels with the Chiefs. Yeah he was absolutely fantastic in his short time in Kansas City, but maybe only about 5 of the loudest and most homer of the Chief Stans out there would have considered him an elite talent when they signed him.
Simeon Rice. Yes. Just not as much yes and White or Sanders.

Manning I would personally put in that elite category. Same with Tom Brady. Both were still playing at an elite level and among the top of the league their last years in Indy and NE. One name I think could be added to the elite list, but I don't know as it is slightly before I truly started paying attention to NFL football so I don't know what the opinion was around him in free agency, but Rod Woodson. If i remember correctly, kind of had a rough year of injuries his last year in Pittsburg but was a pretty damn good player.

That's it. I'm done.

Edit to add: Should have continued to read prior to starting this. See there were already conversations about this before I even started typing. I feel silly.
 
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I don't talk on here much. And I haven't said anything on here in some time. And I love lists, but yours bothers me. Respectfully. Let me explain.
I get what you are trying to get across here. Elite players like Parsons do reach free agency. But it is very very rare. You put a very small handful of names up but some of those names don't belong up there. I'm talking about elite players you build teams around, change teams. Names you know will make an impact. Impacts that win championships. Let us go through this:

Reggie White - Yes.
Drew Brees? No. Though he won a superbowl and was among the elite a few year after, no one considered him one at that time he was a free agent. He had, in his 5 years prior to going to the saints: year one a backup, two a barely mediocre year, three a bad year he got benched, four a good year, then finished with a decent year. He was more akin to a Kirk Cousins type of free agent, not a "we a we buying a super bowl this year with this guy" type of talent. But still a type of player that rarely reaches free agency. There was also a major injury concern with him too at the time.
Deion Sanders - Again yes.
Charles Woodson. As much as some would disagree, no. Was he still an elite player when he got to Green Bay? Yes. Was he viewed as an elite player when he got to Green Bay? No. Not anymore. He missed like 20 some games from injuries over the last few years of his time in Oakland. He was viewed as injury prone and broken. No one wanted him. He was not a highly sought after target on the market. He even said he only went to Green Bay because they were the only team to offer him a contract. He would be better suited in the same category Jerry Rice is in.
Priest Holmes. Again no. Dude had one good year prior to being a backup before signing for peanuts and nickels with the Chiefs. Yeah he was absolutely fantastic in his short time in Kansas City, but maybe only about 5 of the loudest and most homer of the Chief Stans out there would have considered him an elite talent when they signed him.
Simeon Rice. Yes. Just not as much yes and White or Sanders.

Manning I would personally put in that elite category. Same with Tom Brady. Both were still playing at an elite level and among the top of the league their last years in Indy and NE. One name I think could be added to the elite list, but I don't know as it is slightly before I truly started paying attention to NFL football so I don't know what the opinion was around him in free agency, but Rod Woodson. If i remember correctly, kind of had a rough year of injuries his last year in Pittsburg but was a pretty damn good player.

That's it. I'm done.

Edit to add: Should have continued to read prior to starting this. See there were already conversations about this before I even started typing. I feel silly.

Don’t apologize! You’re good and welcome. I knew the list would not be yielded to or agreed to entirely, as I expressed even later on and conceded truly I mainly listed guys that truly were elites that were found in FA, many of you pointed out that while true not that entire list were elite at the time of their FA signing.
 
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My Father in Law will even verify this. When Dallas Drafted Parsons I told him I was jealous that day when he called to talk to my Daughter. Something told me he was going to be a really great player even before he was drafted. Obviously Micah exceeded even my high expectations.

I now believe The Packers have put an aggressive offer on the table. At this point, it might be out of our control. However there’s an offer that Parsons would find appealing and he technically can just hold out. Nobody can make him play snd his next contract might more than makeup for any short term salary inflicted pain this causes. At some point, him not being in the field will cause internal strife. This might be more about Parsons camp either getting the $$$ he thinks he deserves (playing his cards for a massive contract) or causing a stalemate (forcing a trade).

As mentioned. There are only a handful of players that are actually good enough to force a trade. Micah Parsons is on that list.

Rumors or not there’s probably a legit 20% chance we land him if things go sour in Dallas.
 
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My Father in Law will even verify this. When Dallas Drafted Parsons I told him I was jealous that day when he called to talk to my Daughter. Something told me he was going to be a really great player even before he was drafted. Obviously Micah exceeded even my high expectations.

I now believe The Packers have put an aggressive offer on the table. At this point, it might be out of our control. However there’s an offer that Parsons would find appealing and he technically can just hold out. Nobody can make him play snd his next contract might more than makeup for any short term salary inflicted pain this causes. At some point, him not being in the field will cause internal strife. This might be more about Parsons camp either getting the $$$ he thinks he deserves (playing his cards for a massive contract) or causing a stalemate (forcing a trade).

As mentioned. There are only a handful of players that are actually good enough to force a trade. Micah Parsons is on that list.

Rumors or not there’s probably a legit 20% chance we land him if things go sour in Dallas.
If he holds out all this year, all it does is give the Cowboys another year of control. Plus, there are 2 seasons they can tag him. So, yeah, they can make him play if they want to.
 

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He can wait how long? 6 weeks and then join the team? And then next year face negociations again. But not under contract.
 

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Surprisingly a handful.
Von Miller
Cameron Jordan
Cam Heyward
Calais Campbell
Jerry Hughes
To begin with, Miller is the only name that immediately jumped out at me, so you can see I was correct in not knowing much about the rest of the league. :)

However, and I have no intention of getting into an argument, but, strictly from the standpoint of saying Parson has 10 years ahead that make him worth it now...

Miller himself - multiple teams over the last few years, and the last 'award' (pro bowl, all pro, DPOY, that sort of thing) was in 2019

Jordan - last double-digit sack year was 2021

Heyward - probably the best record of the bunch, but only played 11 games in 2023, and losing someone that costs so much is a big hit

Calais - multiple teams and no more than 6.5 sacks since 2018

Hughes - no awards listed, last double-digit sack year was 2014
 
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This is why it is foolish to speak in such definitive ways…
If you want to follow me around the forum calling me names("foolish") & attempting to prove me wrong constantly, knock yourself out!

Let me know how that all works out for ya.

Toodle-Loo!(Á tout á l'heure)

It's French for see ya!
 

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We will see who is correct. If you want to follow me around the forum calling me names("foolish") & attempting and failing to prove me wrong constantly, knock yourself out!

Let me know how that all works out for ya.

Toodle-Loo!(Á tout á l'heure)

It's French for see ya!
Did not call you foolish, said it is foolish to speak in such ways. It’d be like someone saying I’m ignorant in the science of biology…doesn’t mean I’m ignorant in general, but for sure am in that specific topic.

Correct? You stated the trade was never going to happen, guaranteed it.

I wouldn’t have done the trade personally either.

For someone who comes at folks - you sure love playing the victim.
 
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Did not call you foolish, said it is foolish to speak in such ways. It’d be like someone saying I’m ignorant in the science of biology…doesn’t mean I’m ignorant in general, but for sure am in that specific topic.

Correct? You stated the trade was never going to happen, guaranteed it.

I wouldn’t have done the trade personally either.

For someone who comes at folks - you sure love playing the victim.
Look, go read my posts, you know damn well you and others have followed me around the forum trying to troll me. You can deny it, but yeah, it's fact. Again, knock yourself out.

I will miss Kenny, big loss.
 
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for sure this. He still was our best DT. Wyatt and Brooks better be ready to step up because they just got the chance of their lives.
Yeah, obviously Micah makes you better, but Kenny was the heart of that D and locker room. Micah a leader? We shall see.

Those 2 firsts and that bag have me a little concerned as well.

Give me a Lombardi from this and all is well, but a lot of work to do to get there.

Is it September 7th yet?

OneTeamOneNation
PackerNation!
 
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If I said 6 months ago that we’d draft a wide receiver with our 2025 first and then follow it up with trading away our 2026 and 2027 firsts I probably would’ve been laughed off the forum lol
You got the crystal ball for sure.
 
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I am, but that this happened flies in the face of everything the Packers have done for decades.

And who the heck does RickeyScoops know??
I think in many ways we’ve had luck on our side. To have Matthew Golden fall in our lap at #23 while having Watson out to at least begin the season? That was pretty fortunate imo. Then that selection at WR crossed with us hosting the Draft is quite a special anomaly.

Then to have one of the Top Pass Rushers in the NFL become available this late in the season. I think most would agree that the Packers were perceived as needing help in Pass Rush and Pass Coverage (CB specifically). Micah Parsons actually helps in both areas.

We had 3 primary weaknesses in 2024 and they were all 3 addressed. The only area in even remotely concerned with is iDL and CB depth. Yet with LVN being versatile, Wooden/Brooks entering year 3, then adding Sorrell, Brinson and Stackhouse? I’m really only thinking CB depth if we had a weakness
 

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We had 3 primary weaknesses in 2024 and they were all 3 addressed. The only area in even remotely concerned with is iDL and CB depth. Yet with LVN being versatile, Wooden/Brooks entering year 3, then adding Sorrell, Brinson and Stackhouse? I’m really only thinking CB depth if we had a weakness
I think we do have one significant weakness that is somewhat intangible - health, throughout the entire roster.

Right now, this is our injury list going into Week One...

Expected to return on or about Week 6:

Christian Watson
Marshawn Lloyd
Colin Oliver

These were all players who were expected to contribute to this year's campaign, and 2 of 3 were expected to be key contributors.

Questionable for Week 1:

Xavier McKinney
Dontavion Wicks
Aaron Banks
Barryn Sorrell
Savion Williams
Nate Hobbs
Jayden Reed

All 7 of those players were expected to be very important to this season, and even if they do all returned Week 1 or 2, several of them are young players who were quite highly regarded, but needed all the camp time they could get in August in order to prepare for the regular season, or new veteran additions who would have benefited greatly from some summer snaps to learn the system and become comfortable with their roles. So we have at least 10 starters or (at least) important rotational players absent or questionable as we begin our season with one of the most crucially imprtant games on our schedule.

And as far as Reed is concerned...

From what I've learned about Jones fractures, I'm highly skeptical about his availability this year, even by mid-season. From what I've read, if a Jones fracture (especially in a WR or RB) is not properly and very cautiously managed right from the beginning, it can quite possibly be a career-ending injury. There simply is no shortcut for a Jones injury.

In this study, it was found that 50% of players who suffered a Jones fracture did not fully heal for at least 2 years after their return to the field, and there was a significantly greater likelihood of suffering another Jones fracture within a short time of returning. The blood flow to that are is very, very minimal, so the cells simply do not get enough oxygen or nutrients to heal properly -plus, is appears to be exacerbated by every high-level athlete's inherent emphasis on "getting back into the game" as quickly as possible.

I'm really worried about Reed. From what I've found, putting him back into practice running routes within 3 weeks of diagnosis, and especially putting him into a real-time game situation a month later, is (as near as my research takes me) appears to be literally unprecedented.


We've seen this before, where Packer teams go into camp looking strong on paper, and by September, there are a number of important players who are either already lost to injuries or whose preparedness for the season is going to be significantly degraded because their "training camp" starts in October instead of July. The rookies and 2nd year guys will have a hell of a lot of catching up to do.

Now, I'm not saying by any means that the season is over, so let's just ride it out and get a Top Ten draft slot, or anything of that nature. I still firmly believe we are in the Top 15% of NFL teams who are legitimate Lombardi contenders. It's just that I think it's become more likely that we're gonna have to work a lot harder at it. Because in the NFC North, every single game matters massively for post-season standings.
 
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We are all eating our hats, our words, and a lot of crow. Wonder what Ted Thompson is thinking right now?
My guess is, probably something like "damn, man, I wish I hadn't died yet!"

As far as "eating crow" is concerned, I am thankful that crow is a lean, low-fat meat, because I am devouring it as though I am one of those fat New York city guys stuffing hot dogs down their throats every summer at that Nathan's ******-eating contest on Coney Island.

I very, very rarely articulate absolute, unequivocal predictions about anything over which i personally do not have any ability to influence the outcome, but I certainly deviated from that on this one - I adamantly went out on a limb (several limbs, in fact), to declare that this whole idea was lunacy, and did not at all fit everything we knew about Gutekunst and his team-building model. It was ridiculous, total nonsense.

When I'm wrong, I'm the first one to admit it, and the wronger I am the more clearly I admit that. I obviously could not have been any more wrong.

The only straw to which I can cling is this - the price was actually quite a lot lower than I expected. Original projections were somewhere in the range of two 1st rounders, plus a 2nd, often even an early Day 3, plus a player. Or even 2.

Which would have been utter madness; Gutekunst would have had to have bitten by a rabid bat to make that deal.

This deal, though.... this iteration of the deal.... yeah; I can sorta understand it. It's obviously going to change our drafting pattern over the next couple-three years, affect our free-agency strategies (in terms of signing outside free agents as well as our own), and probably cause us to restructure some contracts that would have been easier had we not done it.

We're gonna lose some guys we would rather have kept. Maybe not many, and maybe not crucial players, but the kind of guys who go into building a deeper, more solid, complete team. They will have earned more money than we can afford to pay them in this new payroll, but other teams will be able to pay them that price now.

Building an elite NFL team is a little like pushing a water balloon. You push in on one part of it, one or two other parts bulge out, and now you have to push back on those. Push too ******* one or two of those, and the balloon bursts. The good GMs (the truly good ones) seem to be the guys who know just how hard they can afford to push on any one spot, and where they can afford to let other spots bulge outwards; and these next couple of years may be the definitive measure of how truly good Gutekunst is - because he just made his job a lot harder.

There are a lot of personnel decisions coming up over the next couple-few years that are now going to be more difficult than they otherwise would have been; often much more difficult. That's the price of taking a very, very good team and turning it into a truly elite team.

Can he do it? I think he can. Is he trying to buld a Patriots/Niners/Kansas City dynasty, or a "double down, make it or break it, one or two-year window" team like the recent Rams, Broncos, or Panthers? Because this was a very bold, audacious move. This not the move you would expect from a cautious, patient, "longterm thinkng" sorta guy.

I think that he understands what Green Bay is supposed to be, and he is trying to build a perennial, dynastic team - one that can credibly compete and even threaten almost every single season. And perhaps all the patient, low-key moves he's made over the last have mostly been about putting the pieces in place and preparing for the time when it made sense to strike the big blows - McKiney and Jacobs last summer, and Parsons (the Reggie White analogue) this year. And I think we will soon see.

Gute may be a shrewder, more patient and cautious strategist than most of us realized. Let's sit back and watch it develop.
 

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I think we do have one significant weakness that is somewhat intangible - health, throughout the entire roster.

Right now, this is our injury list going into Week One...

Expected to return on or about Week 6:

Christian Watson
Marshawn Lloyd
Colin Oliver

These were all players who were expected to contribute to this year's campaign, and 2 of 3 were expected to be key contributors.

Questionable for Week 1:

Xavier McKinney
Dontavion Wicks
Aaron Banks
Barryn Sorrell
Savion Williams
Nate Hobbs
Jayden Reed

All 7 of those players were expected to be very important to this season, and even if they do all returned Week 1 or 2, several of them are young players who were quite highly regarded, but needed all the camp time they could get in August in order to prepare for the regular season, or new veteran additions who would have benefited greatly from some summer snaps to learn the system and become comfortable with their roles. So we have at least 10 starters or (at least) important rotational players absent or questionable as we begin our season with one of the most crucially imprtant games on our schedule.

And as far as Reed is concerned...

From what I've learned about Jones fractures, I'm highly skeptical about his availability this year, even by mid-season. From what I've read, if a Jones fracture (especially in a WR or RB) is not properly and very cautiously managed right from the beginning, it can quite possibly be a career-ending injury. There simply is no shortcut for a Jones injury.

In this study, it was found that 50% of players who suffered a Jones fracture did not fully heal for at least 2 years after their return to the field, and there was a significantly greater likelihood of suffering another Jones fracture within a short time of returning. The blood flow to that are is very, very minimal, so the cells simply do not get enough oxygen or nutrients to heal properly -plus, is appears to be exacerbated by every high-level athlete's inherent emphasis on "getting back into the game" as quickly as possible.

I'm really worried about Reed. From what I've found, putting him back into practice running routes within 3 weeks of diagnosis, and especially putting him into a real-time game situation a month later, is (as near as my research takes me) appears to be literally unprecedented.


We've seen this before, where Packer teams go into camp looking strong on paper, and by September, there are a number of important players who are either already lost to injuries or whose preparedness for the season is going to be significantly degraded because their "training camp" starts in October instead of July. The rookies and 2nd year guys will have a hell of a lot of catching up to do.

Now, I'm not saying by any means that the season is over, so let's just ride it out and get a Top Ten draft slot, or anything of that nature. I still firmly believe we are in the Top 15% of NFL teams who are legitimate Lombardi contenders. It's just that I think it's become more likely that we're gonna have to work a lot harder at it. Because in the NFC North, every single game matters massively for post-season standings.
Which is why although we have a lot of talent on paper our final record should be worse than last season considering our tougher schedule.
 

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My guess is, probably something like "damn, man, I wish I hadn't died yet!"

As far as "eating crow" is concerned, I am thankful that crow is a lean, low-fat meat, because I am devouring it as though I am one of those fat New York city guys stuffing hot dogs down their throats every summer at that Nathan's ******-eating contest on Coney Island.

I very, very rarely articulate absolute, unequivocal predictions about anything over which i personally do not have any ability to influence the outcome, but I certainly deviated from that on this one - I adamantly went out on a limb (several limbs, in fact), to declare that this whole idea was lunacy, and did not at all fit everything we knew about Gutekunst and his team-building model. It was ridiculous, total nonsense.

When I'm wrong, I'm the first one to admit it, and the wronger I am the more clearly I admit that. I obviously could not have been any more wrong.

The only straw to which I can cling is this - the price was actually quite a lot lower than I expected. Original projections were somewhere in the range of two 1st rounders, plus a 2nd, often even an early Day 3, plus a player. Or even 2.

Which would have been utter madness; Gutekunst would have had to have bitten by a rabid bat to make that deal.

This deal, though.... this iteration of the deal.... yeah; I can sorta understand it. It's obviously going to change our drafting pattern over the next couple-three years, affect our free-agency strategies (in terms of signing outside free agents as well as our own), and probably cause us to restructure some contracts that would have been easier had we not done it.

We're gonna lose some guys we would rather have kept. Maybe not many, and maybe not crucial players, but the kind of guys who go into building a deeper, more solid, complete team. They will have earned more money than we can afford to pay them in this new payroll, but other teams will be able to pay them that price now.

Building an elite NFL team is a little like pushing a water balloon. You push in on one part of it, one or two other parts bulge out, and now you have to push back on those. Push too ******* one or two of those, and the balloon bursts. The good GMs (the truly good ones) seem to be the guys who know just how hard they can afford to push on any one spot, and where they can afford to let other spots bulge outwards; and these next couple of years may be the definitive measure of how truly good Gutekunst is - because he just made his job a lot harder.

There are a lot of personnel decisions coming up over the next couple-few years that are now going to be more difficult than they otherwise would have been; often much more difficult. That's the price of taking a very, very good team and turning it into a truly elite team.

Can he do it? I think he can. Is he trying to buld a Patriots/Niners/Kansas City dynasty, or a "double down, make it or break it, one or two-year window" team like the recent Rams, Broncos, or Panthers? Because this was a very bold, audacious move. This not the move you would expect from a cautious, patient, "longterm thinkng" sorta guy.

I think that he understands what Green Bay is supposed to be, and he is trying to build a perennial, dynastic team - one that can credibly compete and even threaten almost every single season. And perhaps all the patient, low-key moves he's made over the last have mostly been about putting the pieces in place and preparing for the time when it made sense to strike the big blows - McKiney and Jacobs last summer, and Parsons (the Reggie White analogue) this year. And I think we will soon see.

Gute may be a shrewder, more patient and cautious strategist than most of us realized. Let's sit back and watch it develop.
I think Gute is just going for broke unlike his predecessor who believed in " Stay the Course. " In which case Gute may be planning his exit by 2027 one way or another.
 

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