Packers Trade Candidates

[milani]

I don't see it happening either. Although there may have been some preliminary talks about the possibility, I don't believe it went beyond that stage because the price to get him would be significant enough that it would handcuff the Packers when it came to the cap. I can only imagine how bad it would be when it came to us being able to retain players we want to keep but are going to be free agents at the end of this upcoming season.

By the end of preseason there won't be anybody standing that we could trade.

 

[Voyageur]

By the end of preseason there won't be anybody standing that we could trade.

Ain't that the truth!

 

[Magooch]

Let's just say that hypothetically Parsons is available for the same "price" as Khalil Mack went for when he was traded for the Bears.
(I think that is probably the "floor" for any potential deal and will most likely cost more, but for sake of discussion)

The equivalent would basically be to give:
2026 #24
2026 #196
2027 #19
2027 #81

And to receive:
Micah Parsons
2027 #43
2027 #226

(These are of course just the pick numbers from the Mack trade; obviously they'd be different but just for rough ballpark illustration)

Mack also signed a 6-year, 141m extension with 90m guaranteed that made him the highest-paid defender in NFL history at the time.
Parsons would likely command the same - not in numbers, but to be made highest-paid defender ever.

Would you make the deal to get Parsons?

 

[Voyageur]

Let's just say that hypothetically Parsons is available for the same "price" as Khalil Mack went for when he was traded for the Bears.
(I think that is probably the "floor" for any potential deal and will most likely cost more, but for sake of discussion)

The equivalent would basically be to give:
2026 #24
2026 #196
2027 #19
2027 #81

And to receive:
Micah Parsons
2027 #43
2027 #226

(These are of course just the pick numbers from the Mack trade; obviously they'd be different but just for rough ballpark illustration)

Mack also signed a 6-year, 141m extension with 90m guaranteed that made him the highest-paid defender in NFL history at the time.
Parsons would likely command the same - not in numbers, but to be made highest-paid defender ever.

Would you make the deal to get Parsons?

No. Putting too many resources into one player and then watching him end up on the sidelines from an injury is suicide.

 

[OldSchool101]

No. Putting too many resources into one player and then watching him end up on the sidelines from an injury is suicide.

Yes

How did this his Khalil Mack trade work out for Chicago exactly?

Waaaay bad deal

 

[thequick12]

If the Cowboys would trade him, Id do it...doesn't seem like it would take as much as it did for Mack. Seems to me players arent commanding quite as much in trade anymore.

I dont think the Cowboys would trade him unfortunately. JLove is definitely a fan

 

[Firethorn1001]

Seems to me players arent commanding quite as much in trade anymore.

Because it isn't the greatest idea to dump cheap future players for the right to pay someone $35-40M a year when you have your own players to pay coming off rookie contracts.

 

[tynimiller]

Parsons is a guy I’m full on willing to spend the money on, BUT the money plus a ton of picks plus one starter likely as well - WOULD BE INCREDIBLE DUMB IMO.

 

[milani]

Parsons is a guy I’m full on willing to spend the money on, BUT the money plus a ton of picks plus one starter likely as well - WOULD BE INCREDIBLE DUMB IMO.

Probably will not happen. The Packers got Reggie White for less back in the day inflation considered.

 

[OldSchool101]

Interesting. Trey Hendrickson is also in the firm trade mix again. I would’ve never guessed that Trey Hendrickson and Micah Parsons would be available for offers this late in the season. Next will be Aidan Hutchinson!

 

[thequick12]

Because it isn't the greatest idea to dump cheap future players for the right to pay someone $35-40M a year when you have your own players to pay coming off rookie contracts.

True, but those cheap future players, arent likely to be of blue chip quality. If you're trying to win a SB youve gotta consider taking some risks to put your team over the top

I wouldn't do it for multiple firsts plus a starter etc but I dont think thats what he would command in a trade. If he were to be traded its not gonna be the Cowboys decision. It'll be because he forces a trade. Meaning everyone would know they have to trade him, equals less compensation.

Id do it for a 1st and a 3rd plus a player, for discussions sake lets say Van Ness. Blue chip players are rarely allowed to leave in free agency. So only way to aquire them is draft em or give up compensation and pay em. Xavier McKinney was an anomaly and Gutey said so himself

 

[Voyageur]

Just thinking out loud here. Let's say you decided to reach out and get someone like Parsons or Hendrickson. Assume that getting them meant paying them $40 mill a year. That obviously shores up one position, assuming they don't get hurt during the season.

The negative part about that is the cap room that disappears. I'd think you could agree that you can get a decent starting defensive lineman for $15 mill a year. Someone who isn't a Parsons but grades out at the next level just below him. In fact you could stock the shelves with 4 defensive linemen one notch below Parsons for $60 mill. That would be $15 mill each. With Parsons you only have $20 mill left and you need to fill 3 spots. That leaves less than $7 mill for each spot so you can't get anything more than average players at best and even then, because several teams overpay, that's going to be difficult. I don't want to see 3 positions that are weak because you brought a super star in to fill one of them. That's not team building.

 

[Thirteen Below]

I don't want to see 3 positions that are weak because you brought a super star in to fill one of them. That's not team building.

And I think it's safe to say, Gutekunst agrees with you. I have a hard time belieiving the rumor that Green Bay even made a substantial offer. That's just so, so unlike Gutekunst.

 

[OldSchool101]

Just thinking out loud here. Let's say you decided to reach out and get someone like Parsons or Hendrickson. Assume that getting them meant paying them $40 mill a year. That obviously shores up one position, assuming they don't get hurt during the season.

The negative part about that is the cap room that disappears. I'd think you could agree that you can get a decent starting defensive lineman for $15 mill a year. Someone who isn't a Parsons but grades out at the next level just below him. In fact you could stock the shelves with 4 defensive linemen one notch below Parsons for $60 mill. That would be $15 mill each. With Parsons you only have $20 mill left and you need to fill 3 spots. That leaves less than $7 mill for each spot so you can't get anything more than average players at best and even then, because several teams overpay, that's going to be difficult. I don't want to see 3 positions that are weak because you brought a super star in to fill one of them. That's not team building.

Amen. As a GM you have to trust in your process and follow through. We’re just touching the Tip of the iceburg with $$ If we do the math starting this year Lukas will average $10Mil per year across the next 3 seasons factoring real time impact. That’s pretty much a worst case. If you don’t think he’s worth it you got Lukas on a 2yr X $8.6Mil deal (2025-26) then he likely like goes on to net you a future Late Day 3 selection.

On the production side. Nobody but some of us uninformed and impatient Fans thought he was going to come out and crush it in the NFL in Year 1 or 2. He was drafted as a college Sophomore. Meaning he’s a high upside year 3,4 player and anything before that is merely a bonus. He went from a 4-2-5 (3-High Safety) playing DT and then LB. Comes into GB playing a 3-4 OLB and then 4-3 DT/DE. Talk about getting your tail whipped around positionally. Not to mention his position is highly reliant on hand usage and he wears a cast until Week 11? That shows you the fight that kid has. 2025 is the 1st Season that he’s played the same position in consecutive years. Very few guys can pull a Bo Melton it’s just like needle in a haystack. We talk about switching positions but there’s much more to that than putting on a New Jersey number.

I think Van Ness and Gary are perfect Size for this 4-3 DE job. Both also possess requisite Power to slide around a bit. Both have requisite speed to set Edges. It’s a matter of Coaching them up and strengthening any found weakness. I think we’ve got a pair of good DE’s. Now it’s just a matter of fine tuning and getting the best from both players. I’m a Van NESs fan until I’m not. Meaning he needs to play this season out before drawing any heavy evaluations imo.

 

[Voyageur]

Amen. As a GM you have to trust in your process and follow through. We’re just touching the Tip of the iceburg with $$ If we do the math starting this year Lukas will average $10Mil per year across the next 3 seasons factoring real time impact. That’s pretty much a worst case. If you don’t think he’s worth it you got Lukas on a 2yr X $8.6Mil deal (2025-26) then he likely like goes on to net you a future Late Day 3 selection.

On the production side. Nobody but some of us uninformed and impatient Fans thought he was going to come out and crush it in the NFL in Year 1 or 2. He was drafted as a college Sophomore. Meaning he’s a high upside year 3,4 player and anything before that is merely a bonus. He went from a 4-2-5 (3-High Safety) playing DT and then LB. Comes into GB playing a 3-4 OLB and then 4-3 DT/DE. Talk about getting your tail whipped around positionally. Not to mention his position is highly reliant on hand usage and he wears a cast until Week 11? That shows you the fight that kid has. 2025 is the 1st Season that he’s played the same position in consecutive years. Very few guys can pull a Bo Melton it’s just like needle in a haystack. We talk about switching positions but there’s much more to that than putting on a New Jersey number.

I think Van Ness and Gary are perfect Size for this 4-3 DE job. Both also possess requisite Power to slide around a bit. Both have requisite speed to set Edges. It’s a matter of Coaching them up and strengthening any found weakness. I think we’ve got a pair of good DE’s. Now it’s just a matter of fine tuning and getting the best from both players. I’m a Van NESs fan until I’m not. Meaning he needs to play this season out before drawing any heavy evaluations imo.

Both Van Ness & Gary have the physical attributes and capability of improving their game. Getting there is done through good coaching. Very few men come into the NFL in a position where you have to think and becomes an instant star. It takes time to harness their capabilities and as you indicated, eliminate their weaknesses through coaching.

What I've seen with Gute's drafts is actually pretty darned good. I don't care what some guy crunching numbers and using space age analytics says or thinks the figures mean. I go by the little things that never show up in stats because there is no stat that can measure them. As I've stated, I'm a believer in team builders and that's what I see happening in GB. It isn't a rush to bring in the terminator type because quite honestly it rarely works in your favor. When I see it happening, I'm usually watching a GM and/or HC that is scared of losing their job unless they have some instant success the following year. That's the one thing that can make a franchise fall to the bottom of the heap and stay there until the entire culture is rebuilt.

 

[OldSchool101]

Both Van Ness & Gary have the physical attributes and capability of improving their game. Getting there is done through good coaching. Very few men come into the NFL in a position where you have to think and becomes an instant star. It takes time to harness their capabilities and as you indicated, eliminate their weaknesses through coaching.

What I've seen with Gute's drafts is actually pretty darned good. I don't care what some guy crunching numbers and using space age analytics says or thinks the figures mean. I go by the little things that never show up in stats because there is no stat that can measure them. As I've stated, I'm a believer in team builders and that's what I see happening in GB. It isn't a rush to bring in the terminator type because quite honestly it rarely works in your favor. When I see it happening, I'm usually watching a GM and/or HC that is scared of losing their job unless they have some instant success the following year. That's the one thing that can make a franchise fall to the bottom of the heap and stay there until the entire culture is rebuilt.

Well said Voyager
Football and team building is like any business imo. We want fast results and in itself it sounds wonderful. However fast results and long term success don’t always go hand in hand.

 

[Krabs]

I know that the Packers pulled a trade last season with Malik Willis to shore up the backup QB position, but I don't see any moves this season. The moves they have been making are training camp moves. They need players to fill in for dinged up starters that they don't want to take the chance with. My hope is they are all healed up by game one and that the lack of reps doesn't hurt chemistry significantly.

 

[OldSchool101]

I know that the Packers pulled a trade last season with Malik Willis to shore up the backup QB position, but I don't see any moves this season. The moves they have been making are training camp moves. They need players to fill in for dinged up starters that they don't want to take the chance with. My hope is they are all healed up by game one and that the lack of reps doesn't hurt chemistry significantly.

What going to be helpful is we actually still have a full 3 calendar weeks -1 day until Detroit. So 3-4 weeks for players nicked up in Preseason. That is a good amount of time to heal up most injuries.
I hear ya but they’ve had all training camp also it’s not like those reps disappear. They need a week of practice and back in the swing imo.

Now Colin Oliver id be more concerned there.

The most important aspect is Love was throwing the ball (albeit in rain) today

 

[gopkrs]

They seem to be having a tough time of figuring out 2nd string positions on the O line. And several players just don't seem to be looking good. Partly maybe because they get moved around so much. And maybe that's because certain players are just not looking good enough wherever they get put. They should be looking carefully at the cutdown lists. And not for former high picks! I'd rather have a better lineman than one we keep because he knows the system.

 

[Thirteen Below]

As I've stated, I'm a believer in team builders and that's what I see happening in GB. It isn't a rush to bring in the terminator type because quite honestly it rarely works in your favor. When I see it happening, I'm usually watching a GM and/or HC that is scared of losing their job unless they have some instant success the following year. That's the one thing that can make a franchise fall to the bottom of the heap and stay there until the entire culture is rebuilt.

Green Bay has a tried and true model for building a successful franchise that is competitive (often highly competitive) almost every single season. Ron Wolf understood the challenges of building a consistently successful team in a small town the size of Bend, Oregon or Buckeye, Arizona, and developed a blueprint for competing against teams in huge markets like New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago.

And not just competing, but dominating. Since 1993, the 2nd full year of Wolf's tenure, no other team in the NFL has won as many games, had as many winning seasons, scored as many points, and made as many playoff runs - Green Bay has made 26 playoff appearances in the last 31 seasons, compared to 24 for the Patriots, 23 for the Steelers, and 22 for the Niners.

We've done this by adhering to a draft-and-develop philosophy, and maintaining a disciplined approach in trades, free agency, and managing draft capital. Trading multiple 1st round picks plus a starter for a single player who expects to be paid ~$40M a year would be a complete, 180-degree reversal and repudiation of the organization's foundational operating philosophy.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Meaning he’s a high upside year 3,4 player and anything before that is merely a bonus. He went from a 4-2-5 (3-High Safety) playing DT and then LB. Comes into GB playing a 3-4 OLB and then 4-3 DT/DE. Talk about getting your tail whipped around positionally. Not to mention his position is highly reliant on hand usage and he wears a cast until Week 11? That shows you the fight that kid has. 2025 is the 1st Season that he’s played the same position in consecutive years.

Not to mention, he only played 2 years of high school ball, having switched from hockey to football in his junior year. So when he came to camp as a rookie, he had only played 4 years of organized football.

This is something Tyni, Voyageur, and I have talked about a lot, and surely some others as well - he was always going to be a project, and playing injured last season had to have held him back somewhat as well. His stats definitely improved the last several game of last season, after he got his hand back. His pre-season this year is night and day better than his first two years here, so hopefully the light has turned on.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

PLUS $41+mil/yr

This is the part that a lot of casual fans forget. They will say "You could use 4 1st/2nd round picks and NEVER get a Micah Parsons guy." Well yeah, but you could also give those picks up, and end up with a guy that sinks your cap number and doesn't perform like he did in the past. Not to mention that those 4 draft picks collectively will be paid about 1/4 of what Parsons will be paid.

Sure, it would be nice to have a player of Parson's talent, but no thank you on mortgaging our future drafts, as well as our cap, to get a guy that could end up being the next JaInjured or David BahkuptheCaptari.

 

[Thirteen Below]

This is the part that a lot of casual fans forget. They will say "You could use 4 1st/2nd round picks and NEVER get a Micah Parsons guy." Well yeah, but you could also give those picks up, and end up with a guy that sinks your cap number and doesn't perform like he did in the past. Not to mention that those 4 draft picks collectively will be paid about 1/4 of what Parsons will be paid.

This is why when a megastar player like Parsons comes along, the only team that gets premium value for him is really the team that drafted him, because they get 4-5 years of him on a rookie contract. Whatever team signs him to his second contract pays a vastly higher price, which weakens the team in other areas - whether it's the original team signing him to an extension, a team he gets traded to, or a team who signs him in free agency.

 

[OldSchool101]

This is the part that a lot of casual fans forget. They will say "You could use 4 1st/2nd round picks and NEVER get a Micah Parsons guy." Well yeah, but you could also give those picks up, and end up with a guy that sinks your cap number and doesn't perform like he did in the past. Not to mention that those 4 draft picks collectively will be paid about 1/4 of what Parsons will be paid.

Sure, it would be nice to have a player of Parson's talent, but no thank you on mortgaging our future drafts, as well as our cap, to get a guy that could end up being the next JaInjured or David BahkuptheCaptari.

BahkuptheCaptari!

That sounds like something I’d make up. Nice!

 

[OldSchool101]

Matt reported yesterday that Romeo Doubs isn’t going anywhere. His take is he’s a committed and consistent player and he has been really good in Camp.