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Official Game Day Thread: Super Bowl XLV - Packers vs. Steelers - 2/6: WIN 31 - 25

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by ivo610, Jan 23, 2011.

  1. Hoosier

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    Meaningless game...at the time the game was played, it had no playoff implications for the Patriots...and they won anyway.

    The Patriots have our number...just like the Lions have yours.
     
  2. TheSnowPlow

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    The Packers played their best in that game, as did the Pats. Bottom line. To say that the game was "meaningless" for New England is nothing but a stupid argument to try and denigrate the Packers.
     
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  3. Hoosier

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    :biggrin:
     
  4. TheSnowPlow

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    We didn't clinch the division until the following week against Buffalo- up until then, we needed every win to make sure the Jets didn't have a shot at the division.

    Sure, we had clinched a playoff appearance already, but the difference between being a division winner and #1 seed, and being a wildcard 5th or 6th seed is huge. THAT was what was potentially at stake in that Packers game.

    Just for the record.
     
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  5. armand34

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  6. longtimefan

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    OOOO lord??

    last year won 1st lost 2nd, maybe having Rodgers out for most of game had something to do with it?

    09 we won both

    08 won both

    07 won both

    your fun to debate with...cuz you know nothing about the PAck

    Are you getting tired of being showed how ignorant you are when it comes to the Pack?

    Cuz isnt getting old showing you how ignorant you are
     
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  7. LombardiChick

    LombardiChick Win or lose, I love this team.

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    Wow. I can't tell who you're trying to insult more with that statement - the Patriots, or us.
     
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  8. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Since I "Think" your just trying to bring smack, put it in right area
     
  9. TheSnowPlow

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    I think I'm glad we didn't have to play the Packers twice this season. :grin2:
     
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  10. Bubby Brister

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    Interesting thread going on here. Not quite sure how I even came across it. I do want to say that, as a Steelers fan, I respect the Packers in the utmost way possible. Aaron Rodgers is probably my favorite QB in the league outside of Big Ben and I'm not sure if there's a player on the roster I even have the slightest dislike for. Amazing fans, amazing history... if I wasn't allowed to be a Steelers fan, I'd probably become a Pack fan. Can't wait for this show to start in 6 days.

    All (genuine) brown-nosing aside, I felt the need to post to clear up a misconception I've been seeing tossed around these parts. Just wanted to shed some light on the idea that Rodgers can dissect this defense like Tom Brady and (albeit to a much lesser extent) Drew Brees did this season.

    A read you may find interesting (remove the space and change "dot" to ".") tinyurl[dot]com/35arhgh

    Indeed, the Steelers pass D went from 24th through the first 9 games to 1st for the final 7.

    Top 5 Pass Defenses From Week 10 to Week 17

    1 PIT 1155
    2 SDG 1178
    3 GNB 1201
    4 BUF 1211
    5 ARI 1230

    It's not going to be as easy as it may seem. This isn't the same defense Tom Brady carved up and it's certainly not the same one that Rodgers saw last December. It should be interesting to see how he performs against this squad.
     
  11. armand34

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    Rodgers was knocked out in the 2nd QTR of that game, the game ended 3-7 Lions...same team that almost SWEPT the bears, nearly cameback against the Giants, should have beat the Eagles

    BTW

    Steelers Moments of Grossness this seasons

    Steelers were Garbo against the Bills & Dolphins

    Put up 10 points against the Saints

    got a 40 points of Dominance by the Pats (but when we play the Pats, the Bellichick coached Pats don't try as hard, are you kidding me? C'mon dude, your making ZERO sense)

    The QB's the Steelers have faced so Far were

    Matt Ryan-Pro Bowler...meh, he's on the up
    Vince Young-Garbage
    Josh Freeman-up and comer, 2nd year QB
    Flacco- great arm, but meh...you lost
    McCoy or Seneca Wallace...not sure which, but still...meh
    Chad Henne...garbo...you should've lost
    Drew Brees...great QB...you lost
    Palmer...meh, needs a new team
    Brady...Great QB...owned you...you lost
    Bruce Gradkowski.....?????
    Fitzpatrick...up and comer...garbo team...you shoulda lost
    Flacoo...
    Carson Palmer...
    Sanchez....you lost to an overrated 2nd year QB
    Jimmy Clausen...lol
    Colt McCoy...ROOKIE

    Hey I know the Steelers don't pick their Schedule...but you wanna brag about being the #1 D and bla bla bla...look at the QB's you've faced, anyone remotely decent or better then the game is close as hell or you straight up lost...and In my opinion, Rodgers has outplayed all those guys (exception: brady...minus playoffs)

    :happy0005:
     
  12. TheSnowPlow

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    I wish I could find the article I recently reaad, where Lebeau talked about having changed the defense after the New England game...
     
  13. Bubby Brister

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    I

    I put the link to that very article in my post but I don't have enough posts quite yet for me to put the actual links in. You guys will have to do some extra work for that one, lol
     
  14. armand34

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    I agree w/ SnowPlow

    just how different can defense be...you have all the same parts and shame scheme
     
  15. Bubby Brister

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    I would think giving up nearly 100 less passing yards per game speaks for itself.
     
  16. armand34

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    yea but what QB's were the Steelers facing? look at my previous post, cause I don't feel like repeating myself...the Steelers faced mediocre QB's the last 6 weeks
     
  17. longtimefan

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    I for one dont think Rodgers can carve up the D...However if given time he can do damage..But given time is the key...But he can still run out and escape just like in the Atlanta game

    And in same breath that you said the Steel D isnt the same..I can guarantee you that the Pack D improved more then your Steel Curtain since our last meeting..
     
  18. longtimefan

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    If you go from playoffs to reg season, its 9 weeks if you ask me

    Unless people think Sanchez, Flaco,are top tier
     
  19. Bubby Brister

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    And they faced mediocre quarterbacks in the first half of the season as well but were still giving up lots of yardage. The fact of the matter is that they weren't playing well against anybody and if it weren't for these adjustments, I would not even be here right now having this discussion. They're far from the best secondary in the league, but they're much improved.

    The Packers rank 3rd, meanwhile and they've gone up against Vick twice, Fitzpatrick, Cutler twice, Hill, Stanton, Washed up McNabb, Washed up Favre twice, Henne, Sanchez, Kitna, Ryan, Troy Smith, and Eli Manning... not exactly world beaters either. There aren't enough elite QBs in the league where a team will face one of them week in and week out.

    This Packers team is using the same scheme and players as it was when it was losing to the likes of MIA and WAS, what's the difference between them then and them now?
     
  20. Bubby Brister

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    I'm not saying Ben is going to put up 500 yards again or knocking the Packers at all. My only point is that the Steelers secondary has a reputation for being bad and it's off point.
     
  21. longtimefan

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    So Vick and Ryan suck? How many ints did Matt ice have all season and how many did the Pack have on him..He had 9 all season, tossed 2

    Really? Same scheme and players? You sticking with that?

    Nahhh...


    http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/54933/WAS_Gamebook.pdf

    That game, 2 starters on D then are not starting now..and 5 that rotated in, are on IR

    Shall I blast your non knowledge some more?

    http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/54940/GB_Gamebook.pdf

    3 starters there do not play anymore


    Here is the NFCCG, go ahead and compare

    http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/55160/CHI_Gamebook.pdf

    I love it when you fans that have no clue talk crap....Its so fun to make you look like you know nothing

    Thats not smack, its the truth..

    This is a lesson to all the Steeler fans..

    You want to bring up stuff AWESOME, but have the facts please, I am tired of busting your balls


    http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamecenter/54683/PIT_Gamebook.pdf

    Thats our 09 game

    Check D players and then check the Bear game pdf file I posted..

    Better yet let me do it

    This year starters
    Pickett
    Raji
    Green
    Hawk
    Matthews
    Bishop
    Walden
    Woodson
    Shields
    Williams --player that has grown leaps and bounds since 09
    Collins

    09
    Jolly
    Jenkins
    Jones
    Hawk
    Barnett
    Matthews
    Bigby
    Bush
    Williams
    Woodson
    Collins
     
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  22. Pegger Packer

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    Raiders, Bills, Bengals, Panthers...

    Yep, those are some pretty dangerous offences that the Steelers kept in check... And you would think with such a solid defence that a 7-point deficit to start a game against the Jets at home would be easy to overcome...

    Not saying the Steelers D are chumps, but come on. Holding the Panthers to 3 points isn't THAT big of an accomplishment... talk about a "meaningless game"
     
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  23. longtimefan

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    One thing I need to point out again

    We can stop top scoring teams..

    Philly#3 in entire NFL...Atlanta #5...Or Philly #1 and Atlanta #2 in scoring in the NFC

    but think our D isnt any good, and that Ben will just score at will
     
  24. Bubby Brister

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    You're missing the point completely and putting words in my mouth.

    Not once did I say that the Packers D won't be able to stop Ben, first of all.

    Secondly, I never said that the Packers haven't played a good QB or good offense all year. My list was a point towards armand34 who said the Steelers haven't.

    Packers - Vick X2, Fitzpatrick, Cutler X2, Hill, Stanton, McNabb, Favre X2, Henne, Sanchez, Kitna, Ryan, Smith, Manning

    is no more impressive than

    Steelers - Ryan, Young, Freeman, Flacco X3, Palmer X2, McCoy X2, Brees, Henne, Brady, Fitzpatrick, Campbell, Sanchez X2, Clausen

    As a matter of fact, they're remarkably similar. The only truly great QBs the Steelers played this year are Brees, Brady and Ryan. The only truly great QBs the Packers played this year are Brady, Ryan and MAYBE Vick. I say maybe on Vick because as everybody saw this year, Vick is very ordinary when you have good LBs or DEs containing him and forcing him to be strictly a passer. Everybody else is either a scrub (Hill/Clausen) or "almost but not quite" (Cutler/Flacco).

    But that's all besides the point. The Packers have a HELL of a secondary. There are no doubts about that. All I'm saying is that you can't discredit them just because of the schedule they were handed, and, even though they aren't anything special, the same should go with the Steelers. I expect this to be a very close and hard fought game and whichever quarterback comes out on top will have certainly earned it. My overall point being that Rodgers isn't just going to go in there and have a field day with the Steelers D, and that assuming the Steelers are the same team you saw against the Pats or Saints is just as valid as assuming the Packers are the same team as the one you saw against the Dolphins or Redskins -- both are silly assumptions and so is thinking either one of these teams is just going to steamroll the other. I'm expecting a game of legendary proportions come Sunday.

    I didn't come here to bash your team. I came here to defend mine.
     
  25. armand34

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    the only reason why you are getting these kind of responses is because (not you specifically) but other Steelers fans are defending YOUR team at the expense of OUR team

    Example

    responses of an uneducated football fan is what's driving this current conversation
     

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