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MM failed miserably this preseason

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by FaninColorado, Sep 10, 2018.

  1. FaninColorado

    FaninColorado Cheesehead

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    That first half was embarrassing and it can easily be pointed at our head coach not preparing the team. Why even have a preseason for your starters if they aren't even going to be game ready. The offensive line couldn't block in the first half. Seeing that line... he refused to give help. Which almost cost us our franchise QB and then didn't make any more adjustments for our backup QB.

    Not many coaches have had the luxury of having back to back HoF QB's, but at times MM doesn't do the work necessary to make this team excel like it should. We were lucky to win the game last night, but because of his piss poor preparing this team ... we were lucky not to lose Rodgers for the year.
     
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  2. Sanguine camper

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    Have to agree with fan in Colorado. Skipping the preseason doesn't help prepare the team. Putting Bulaga on an island was a bad idea given his lack of preparation. MM got outcoached and AR once again threw a lot of perfume on the turd pile.
     
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  3. Dantés

    Dantés Gute Loot

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    The offense started slowly, it's true. Based on how well they played in the 2nd half, I find it hard to say that MM didn't prepare them this preseason. Did he forget to do so all for the last month and a half, and then suddenly remember and "prepare" them real quick in the locker room at half time? Oh, hey guys! I totally forgot to mention this-- don't suck!

    The defense appeared unprepared to start the game because they were facing a brand new offense that no one has any tape on. Clearly they were prepared to adjust, which they did. After coming away with 10 points on their first two drives, the Bears' offense only scored 6 points on their next 8 drives. They went Punt, Turnover on Downs, Punt, FG, Punt, Punt, FG, Sack/Fumble on 4th down. Trubisky finished with a wretched 4.9 yards per attempt.

    Jamaal Williams gave a lot of important help in pass protection.

    So I guess what I'm saying is I have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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  4. PackAttack12

    PackAttack12 R-E-L-A-X

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    I was critical of McCarthy for not adjusting quick enough with the offense in the first half, but the performance of the team in the 2nd half directly contradicts your theory that this team is/was unprepared.

    If we're going to be critical of McCarthy, lets at least try to be half way fair about it. That Green Bay Packers team that played in the 2nd half is a serious threat to win the Super Bowl.
     
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  5. XPack

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    :roflmao:

    Pre-season is mostly to weed out the roster to 53. Imo, we should have played more first teamers in last game, but that's debatable and has no consequence in Game 1.
     
  6. Dantés

    Dantés Gute Loot

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    I know it's dumb to expect anything else on the internet, but it's tiresome that more people can't be balanced in their criticism. McCarthy was not perfect and should have adjusted sooner. That shouldn't be extrapolated to "he didn't have the team prepared."
     
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  7. WiscoKOB

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    I believe a lot of what you are saying, FaninColorado. My roommate is not a MM fan and has been saying for a while now that MM is a liability for this team. The O-Line play last night in first half was terrible. K. Mack was killing the Packers and MM made no adjustments. Chip with a tight end, leave a running back or receiver on that side, roll away...something. So fortunate Rodgers was not hurt more severely. Time will tell. Right now just want to enjoy the win, but there is cause for concern with O-line play, back up QB issues and game management by MM.
    #wisconsinculture #notjustaplace #packernation #bearsstillsuck #wiscoculture
     
  8. Pokerbrat2000

    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    Not playing your starters in the preseason is very much a calculated risk and one that MM and the Packers seem pretty well steadfast to continue, not to mention that it seems to have become the Normal mode of operation for most teams. It seem that they would rather be a bit rusty, instead of completely banged up when starting a long grueling season. As much as I use to piss and moan about it, I have come to accept the fact that Aaron Rodgers and quite a few other starters, don't need to be exposed to those risks in meaningless games. Remember, they are still practicing. In 1999 I remember a preseason game in Madison, where Favre hit his thumb on a Bronco's helmet and it continued to give him problems all season.

    Lets hope this year, it only took 1 bad half to shake the rust off and during that time, AR didn't suffer an injury that costs him snaps.

    http://articles.latimes.com/1999/dec/27/sports/sp-47963
     
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  9. captainWIMM

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    I'm absolutely fine with the Packers approach of resting most starters during the preseason, not risking any of them getting injured in meaningless games. I don't care if it results in the team being rusty early in the season opener because of it.

    Rodgers was pressured right up the middle on the play he got injured. What should McCarthy have done to prevent that???
     
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  10. Dblbogey

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    I think it's an extremely long season. I think being healthy is more important than getting players hurt in meaningless preseason games. Green Bay is pretty healthy. They are also 1-0.
     
  11. Curly Calhoun

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    I heard some of the Chicago talking heads complain about Trubisky not getting 'more reps' in the pre-season after the meltdown at Lambeau.....Perhaps this is a league-wide meme.

    Coaches have to decide between getting players more reps and risking their health in meaningless games. Whatever they decide, someone will be critical of their decision, especially with the benefit of hindsight.
     
  12. Pokerbrat2000

    Pokerbrat2000 Opinions are like A-holes, we all have one.

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    As we all know, players can get hurt with no contact at all, but the chances definitely increase with contact. I have to believe getting reps in for the young guys, starter or not is important. While Trubisky is the future hope for Da Bears, I would have given him all the work I could and just make sure he knew not to take too many injury risks during preseason. Only so much you can do in practice to simulate a real game. But then I look at a guy like Matthew Stafford, were his 5 picks from being rusty or just him being that bad?
     
  13. rodell330

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    Smh Rodgers RETURN had everything to do with the turn around in the second half NOT McCarthy. If anything Pettines
    Adjustments had more to do than what McCarthy did. When Rodgers retires people will finally see that MM isn’t that great of a HC. Dude has been gifted two HOF QBs in a row. We have seen twice how “great” he is when Rodgers has gotten hurt.
     
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  14. Curly Calhoun

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    For Stafford, it's not a rare phenomena:

    Matt Stafford has an NFL-high five games with four interceptions since 2009

    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ive-games-with-four-interceptions-since-2009/


    Makes one appreciate Aaron Rodgers all the more.
     
  15. PackAttack12

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    I've always said that Mike McCarthy is not an elite level head coach. He is, however a very competent head coach and I think that, all things considered, we're better off with him than potentially some of the alternatives. He and Rodgers together have proven that the offense is more than good enough to win at the highest level. We can go back and forth on what percentage credit goes to Rodgers and McCarthy, but the end result has been an elite offense.

    The problem hasn't been McCarthy over the years. The biggest two issues have been Dom Capers and his extinct approach to schematically attacking opposing offenses, along with failing to properly make sure his players are where they need to be, and Ted Thompson for his lackluster, soft approach to team building.

    Pettine and Gute are going to rectify a lot of those issues. We've actually seen some promising results already. So in my opinion, I'd prefer to keep McCarthy aboard for the simple idea of continuity, familiarity, and comfort level that Rodgers and McCarthy share.

    If you want to blame McCarthy for one thing, it's for failing to axe Capers much sooner. That much he absolutely deserves a ton of blame for.
     
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  16. gbgary

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    rust was a factor, not being able to defensively game-plan the bears was another. the only thing i put on MM was not realizing rust was going to be a factor and not realizing Rodgers was going to be under siege and having him in the pistol from the get go. that was poor planning.
     
  17. Wi. Mike now in Florida

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    Seems like many fans are ready to escort Mike McCarthy out of town.

    Also, with all the coaches under him, shouldn't they be responsible
    for some of these poor/improper decisions when preparing for a game?

    Someone once wrote, "A head coach is only as good as the coaches under him."
     
  18. captainWIMM

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    I highly doubt McCarthy will be around after Rodgers has retired. The team's record without #12 is more based on a lack of talent than coaching.
     
  19. MrUdonta

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    And how do you know he didn't realize those things? I have absolutely no doubt MM knew there would be some rust to shake off for a few posessions. I have no doubt MM knew Rodgers would see a lot of pressure against their front 7. But you go out and you run your and then adjust to what they are doing, not the other way around.
     
  20. Lawdog

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    MM is just not a good coach. In 13 years he has had Bret Farve, and Aaron Rodgers at the QB position. Only 1 SB appearance. MM is not a good game coach. He waits far to long to make adjustments or changes. The NFL is all about match ups. MM seems to get people to follow him making him a good leader. A good leader does not make a good game coach. I believe this is an important year for MM. There is a new GM who wants to put his stamp on this team and I for one think he is doing a good job. I know people will come back and say look at MM record. In 13 years MM has had the opportunity to play the down Bears, and Lions teams twice a year. That is a lot of wins against down franchises. I'm not saying replace MM I just believe if there is no SB this year perhaps a change is in order.
     
  21. RicFlairoftheNFL

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    Over the last year I've started to slowly start agreeing with the Anti-McCarthy posts and rants. If Aaron is down and Kizer doesn't get us to the playoffs he HAS to go because we'll know that yes he's a QB Guru with honor students (Rodgers) but can't even graduated anyone less. You should be able to build a QB from crap into an average QB.
     
  22. Poppa San

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    How does that work for most every other team? Until very recently, half the teams had starting QBs that had no business being on a roster. Go through and look at career journeyman for examples.
     
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  23. Mondio

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    The majority of the league does, including MM and it was always a thing with Holmgren too, was to script the beginning of the game and see how a defense plays certain plays and formations. Then they adjust off how they see them reacting. Considering the offense usually does pretty well over the course of a game and a season, they may know what they're doing. It's frustrating to see stuff not work, but that's life. You put up with some ****, and grit and work thru things and it pays off later.
     
  24. Dblbogey

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    Put Hundley or Kiser in as the starting quarterback on any team with any coach and that team is going to pretty much suck.
     
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    I'd say for young developing QBs like Trubisky should play as much as they can in the preseason. Most every team with a 1st, 2nd or even 3rd year QB that is developing isnt going to be, or at least shouldn't be, worried about competing once the season starts so the idea that they could get hurt in a meaningless game shouldn't be a factor. Every game rep for them counts meaningless game or not

    Established guys like Brady, Rodgers and yes even Stafford shouldn't play anymore then the bare minimum. They arent gaining anything other then not having as much rust going into week one and them having a little bit of rust to shake off is just a sacrifice teams are, and should, making
     
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