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Not sure I view your post as negative. Sounds more positive. Now me... I'll sound negative. Historically I always feel like we over value our WR crop. Any of the guys that are on the outside looking in I could see making the Packers, but I'm not sure any of the potential cuts (Which, at this time seem to be out of the group of Heath, Melton, Hardman are just anything more then WR5/6 on most other teams. If Hardman was a 3 he would have signed. If any team did view a cut as a 3 I would think the Packers could get a decent pick in return.

Not to say I don't like these guys, but I think they are more valuable to the Packers than to the NFL as a whole.

I tend to agree to a point...now I do see rosters out there where a Heath type guy would easily be a WR4 for them...I mean shoot EQSB even got swooped up quick originally and we've seen similar stories. I concur though a straight WR3 isn't happening unless it is a Wicks or suprise Doubs cut (which Doubs would be a 2 for some squads).
 

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WRs catching balls in shorts and tee shirts, no DB contact, no pass rush… I mean it’s better than if they’re dropping them but trying to translate that to real football is pretty meaningless
 

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WRs catching balls in shorts and tee shirts, no DB contact, no pass rush… I mean it’s better than if they’re dropping them but trying to translate that to real football is pretty meaningless
You're not seeing ANY positives in Love launching 70+ yd bomb which dropped perfectly in Hardman's hands as he was 2 yds deeper than the coverage?

You're right, I'd rather see AR throwing 5 yds short, to Watson who has to come back & collide with 3 defenders. ;)
 
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WRs catching balls in shorts and tee shirts, no DB contact, no pass rush… I mean it’s better than if they’re dropping them but trying to translate that to real football is pretty meaningless
While I understand your point on not shooting too high. That’s really shooting too low. If it wasn’t helpful or important they’d just stay in a film room. I’d argue that even a QB working with a WR, TE or RB without any Defense is helpful. There’s still Route Concepts, Timing issues and confidence you build with your players to perform in live scenarios. While they don’t tackle the D still tries to INT, batt the pass down or touch the player to simulate you’ve caught him.

It’s just good to see connections players are making. I know Rodgers used to discount OTA I still think mentally you are better 100% invested or not. Nobody that missed time is 100% invested. In college I had study partners. While we weren’t in a live exam it absolutely helped my confidence in preparation.

I think it was Michael Jordan that said the reason he practiced with intensity was so a live performance was just a continuation of his practice habits. I’d say Michael was a pretty good model for why practicing with intensity is critical to hitting your ceiling. Yes even if it’s in shorts or your eye isn’t getting poked.
 
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It’s just good to see connections players are making. I know Rodgers used to discount OTA I still think mentally you are better 100% invested or not. Nobody that missed time is 100% invested.
That was one of the things I really disliked about him. It was selfish. From his perspective, it wasn't necessary, because he's a 4-time MVP and feels he doesn't need the work. But it's not about him - it's about the other players (especially rookies, who need and deserve all the help they can get) learning how to work with him.
 
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It would be a bad sign if our GM said that this wasn't our year...
Good point. It would be ridiculous for him to say "We have a solid team capable of a deep playoff run. Well if it weren't for the gaps we see with CB, DL, and Edge." That wouldn't go over well.

I think it was before the draft and FA when he said he was happy with the guys he has on the DL and at Edge. He's certainly in the best situation to have such an opinion. Outside of Kenny Clark, there are a lot of very young guys on the DL and at Edge. Anything can happen. Right?
 

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Just my opinion on Bo or Malik. Neither have a great deal of production. I just don’t see a high demand for either. Not enough proven production or anything that would justify going out if my way to sign them active off our PS.
I still stand by my early comments that Bo is my choice if it’s between the two of them. He also has the higher production at WR and the better chance to adapt. He’s probably my WR7/CB7 PS designation until there’s an injury to someone.
I like Melton as well. If he's on a bubble with Heath, I'd keep Melton. Melton is even playing CB in the mini-camp, and the CB group is far from settled. And he's valued on STs.

The good news about their relative lack of production is they'd likely clear waivers and be put on the PS. Reed, Doubs, Golden, and Williams are locks. Beyond them, well let TC begin!
 

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That was one of the things I really disliked about him. It was selfish. From his perspective, it wasn't necessary, because he's a 4-time MVP and feels he doesn't need the work. But it's not about him - it's about the other players (especially rookies, who need and deserve all the help they can get) learning how to work with him.

And now he's doing it again in Pittsburgh. Hasn't even signed yet, so he can't participate in OTAs. I can not believe they're putting up with his ****.
Rodgers is gonna Rodgers. He did it early last year in NY, preaching that everyone in the building should be 100% about football from that point forward, nothing else. Then he missed what he knew was a mandatory mini-camp to go to Egypt.

I'm still amazed that a guy like Tomlin would be ok with Rodgers as the QB. That said, Tomlin has earned trust and respect, so if he's good with it, well that's all it takes. Should be an interesting year in Pittsburgh. They already have Watt holding out for Garrett money.
 

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Rodgers is gonna Rodgers. He did it early last year in NY, preaching that everyone in the building should be 100% about football from that point forward, nothing else. Then he missed what he knew was a mandatory mini-camp to go to Egypt.

I'm still amazed that a guy like Tomlin would be ok with Rodgers as the QB. That said, Tomlin has earned trust and respect, so if he's good with it, well that's all it takes. Should be an interesting year in Pittsburgh. They already have Watt holding out for Garrett money.
Turns out I was in error; I was curious about his status, and googled "aaron rodgers", and google came back with an entire page of stories about him not being in camp. Every single return was about that. It never occurred to me to check the dates, and the articles were all a week old!

This is embarrassing; I try really hard not to post inaccurate information. Can't believe something that big got past me. Very careless.

I'd better delete it so that it doesn't misinform anyone else.
 

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I think it was before the draft and FA when he said he was happy with the guys he has on the DL and at Edge. He's certainly in the best situation to have such an opinion.
It was actually just a couple of weeks after the combine that he said it the first time. Mid to late March. I was surprised, but nevertheless glad to hear it. Hope he's right, but he sounded awfully confident, so that's encouraging.
 

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I like Melton as well. If he's on a bubble with Heath, I'd keep Melton. Melton is even playing CB in the mini-camp, and the CB group is far from settled. And he's valued on STs.

The good news about their relative lack of production is they'd likely clear waivers and be put on the PS. Reed, Doubs, Golden, and Williams are locks. Beyond them, well let TC begin!
So Melton is " cross training " at CB. This is interesting. I remember when Herb Adderley was drafted by the Packers back before the 1961 season. Lombardi immediately wanted him to be a CB without hesitation. He was convinced that Herb was a natural for it although that was not his primary role in college. And he became a HOFer. Good luck, Bo.
 
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So Melton is " cross training " at CB. This is interesting. I remember when Herb Adderley was drafted by the Packers back before the 1961 season. Lombardi immediately wanted him to be a CB without hesitation. He was convinced that Herb was a natural for it although that was not his primary role in college. And he became a HOFer. Good luck, Bo.
Yes
We had someone else that did this maybe in the last 10 years or so. I don’t think it panned out though because I don’t recall who it was ?
So that’s not a good sign!lol
 

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That was one of the things I really disliked about him. It was selfish. From his perspective, it wasn't necessary, because he's a 4-time MVP and feels he doesn't need the work. But it's not about him - it's about the other players (especially rookies, who need and deserve all the help they can get) learning how to work with him.
It's practice man. We're talking about practice.
 

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I'm still amazed that a guy like Tomlin would be ok with Rodgers as the QB. That said, Tomlin has earned trust and respect, so if he's good with it, well that's all it takes.
I think that ought to say something to everyone on the hate on Rodgers bandwagon. To so many of the aged, a lot of things are more about having control.imho
 

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Turns out I was in error; I was curious about his status, and googled "aaron rodgers", and google came back with an entire page of stories about him not being in camp. Every single return was about that. It never occurred to me to check the dates, and the articles were all a week old!

This is embarrassing; I try really hard not to post inaccurate information. Can't believe something that big got past me. Very careless.

I'd better delete it so that it doesn't misinform anyone else.
I don't know what you posted in error 13. NBD anyway. Rodgers does not like voluntary OTAs, or mandatory OTAs for that matter.
 

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I think that ought to say something to everyone on the hate on Rodgers bandwagon. To so many of the aged, a lot of things are more about having control.imho
Not quite sure about your comment on many of "the aged" wanting "control". Both Tomlin and Rodgers are up there in years on the job and both like to control things, although Tomlin is the only one who can as far as football. I defer to Tomlin on this one. If he's ok with Rodgers, that's all Pittsburgh fans should need.
 

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We had someone else that did this maybe in the last 10 years or so. I don’t think it panned out though because I don’t recall who it was ?
So that’s not a good sign!lol
It happens. Not a lot of Deion Sanders around any longer. Montgomery started as a wideout and MM made him a RB because we were in dire straits. Dan Devine took a great lineman in Gale Gillingham and moved him to the D line. It could be Melton wants a shot in hopes of making the team.
 

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Not quite sure about your comment on many of "the aged" wanting "control". Both Tomlin and Rodgers are up there in years on the job and both like to control things, although Tomlin is the only one who can as far as football. I defer to Tomlin on this one. If he's ok with Rodgers, that's all Pittsburgh fans should need.
I don't think it is a comment only on Pittsburgh. It talks to Rodgers' contention that those particular practices are not really important either physically for a player like Rodgers or necessary emotionally for team building. Or Tomlin would not agree to it. I tend to agree. Even though he hasn't run the playbook or been with the other players I don't believe it will affect their season.
 

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Oh. Mecole just caught a 30 yard pass from Love over the shoulder and then lit the afterburners for a 74 yard TD.

Im telling you guys we’re going to throttle some teams unexpectedly this year. This Offense is stacked
Or are CBs are as bad as some fear.
 

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I don't think it is a comment only on Pittsburgh. It talks to Rodgers' contention that those particular practices are not really important either physically for a player like Rodgers or necessary emotionally for team building. Or Tomlin would not agree to it. I tend to agree. Even though he hasn't run the playbook or been with the other players I don't believe it will affect their season.
Thanks gopkrs, got it.

For an established veteran QB, I agree that OTAs don't provide much value. In Rogers's case, with a new team, seems he could have used that time to meet his new teammates.

But Rodgers is Rodgers. Strange guy. I hope he can end his career on a winning note as long as it's not against the Packers!

That said, he gave all Packer fans a lot of enjoyment with his exceptional play.
 

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Or are CBs are as bad as some fear.
This might be a year where the offense has to be counted on to win games. The D is still very good, and could be exceptional, but there are certainly a lot of legitimate questions about the CB group.
 

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Or are CBs are as bad as some fear.
I think the CB's will be just fine. Valentine will pick up where he left off after taking over for Stokes at the end of 2024, and be our new #1 CB. Nixon played better outside than in the slot, after taking that spot when Jaire went down. Hobbs and Bullard can fight it out for the slot reps. My sleeper is I think Hadden will take a big leap, and push Nixon. KC drafted him and threw him in the slot, which makes no sense to me, since he thrived as an outside man CB in college at Tennessee.

I think the CB room will surprise us, in a good way, when all is said and done, as we look back at it after the season is over. I also feel that Gute will try to add a vet to that room before the season is done. There are a few FA guys still out there, and we definitely have some cap $$ available to do that.
 
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