McGinn harshly criticizes Rodgers

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The players can't count on getting the flag, nor can they be certain there wasn't some tiny flinch by Bulaga they did not see.

This would not be the first time Rodgers thought he had a free play when he didn't. I can recall a couple of occasions where Rodgers threw at a receiver he thought was held only to have his protests fall on deaf ears. Further, it is no terrible surprise the refs missed it. Refs fail to flag D-Line guys lined up with their helmets in the neutral zone with regularity, and that's an easier call to make.

So, the free play is a calculated risk that Rodgers is surely aware of. Given the uncertainties of getting the call, priority #1 in the World According to Rodgers applies in the assumed free play as it does any other time...put it where it cannot be intercepted.

Rodgers violated his own rules of engagement...it was a poor pass because Sherman caught it, not because the receiver didn't. It was a low probability opportunity to start with.


Good points.
Being that it happened at the Seattle 29 yard line, with the way Crosby was kicking, it very likely took 3 points off the board if the pass was just incomplete.
But, IMO, in a game filled with so many brain cramps by the Packers, I wouldn't put it in the top 5 of plays that contributed to the loss.
 

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The players can't count on getting the flag, nor can they be certain there wasn't some tiny flinch by Bulaga they did not see.

This would not be the first time Rodgers thought he had a free play when he didn't. I can recall a couple of occasions where Rodgers threw at a receiver he thought was held only to have his protests fall on deaf ears. Further, it is no terrible surprise the refs missed it. Refs fail to flag D-Line guys lined up with their helmets in the neutral zone with regularity, and that's an easier call to make.

So, the free play is a calculated risk that Rodgers is surely aware of. Given the uncertainties of getting the call, priority #1 in the World According to Rodgers applies in the assumed free play as it does any other time...put it where it cannot be intercepted.

Rodgers violated his own rules of engagement...it was a poor pass because Sherman caught it, not because the receiver didn't. It was a low probability opportunity to start with.
But a flinch by Bulaga would have negated the entire play. False starts end it, they don't get to continue the play.
 
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But a flinch by Bulaga would have negated the entire play. False starts end it, they don't get to continue the play.
Good point. I stand corrected. However, that does not negate the "calculated risk" aspect of the play, the violation of the Rodgers Rules of Engagement or my general conclusion.
 
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So, the free play is a calculated risk that Rodgers is surely aware of. Given the uncertainties of getting the call, priority #1 in the World According to Rodgers applies in the assumed free play as it does any other time...put it where it cannot be intercepted.

Rodgers violated his own rules of engagement...it was a poor pass because Sherman caught it, not because the receiver didn't. It was a low probability opportunity to start with.

Rodgers breaks this rule when he has a free play though knowing an interception would be overturned by the penalty.
 

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All so focused on one pass. I think it was poorly thrown, others think it was a good decision on a free play that wasn't a free play. Either way there were a bunch of other passes that Rodgers missed on. Rodgers had a bad game. There's no objective way to say otherwise.
 
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Rodgers breaks this rule when he has a free play though knowing an interception would be overturned by the penalty.
My point was, as this play illustrates, that Rodgers cannot be certain he'll get the call. This isn't the first time he hasn't gotten the call. He knows this is a risk/reward proposition.

Let's say he's right about the free play 80% of the time, which I think is about right. That still argues for avoiding the INT, as he typically does on any other pass. If the chance of completion is something around 33% or less from that distance with that coverage, whereas putting the ball in interception range involves a 20% risk of not getting the call, that's not a favorable proposition.

Sure...Rodgers thought he had a free play. That does reduce the perceived risk, no doubt. But that does not necessarily make for good odds. Given Rodgers typical risk aversion on non-free play passes, which is uncanny given the high completion rate, this throw does not reflect his typical conservative approach to interception avoidance.
 
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All so focused on one pass. I think it was poorly thrown, others think it was a good decision on a free play that wasn't a free play. Either way there were a bunch of other passes that Rodgers missed on. Rodgers had a bad game. There's no objective way to say otherwise.
I'd characterize it as "not a good game" as opposed to a "bad game", given the quality of the opposing defense.
 
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My point was, as this play illustrates, that Rodgers cannot be certain he'll get the call. This isn't the first time he hasn't gotten the call. He knows this is a risk/reward proposition.

Let's say he's right about the free play 80% of the time, which I think is about right. That still argues for avoiding the INT, as he typically does on any other pass. If the chance of completion is something around 33% or less from that distance with that coverage, whereas putting the ball in interception range involves a 20% risk of not getting the call, that's not a favorable proposition.

Sure...Rodgers thought he had a free play. That does reduce the perceived risk, no doubt. But that does not necessarily make for good odds. Given Rodgers typical risk aversion on non-free play passes, which is uncanny given the high completion rate, this throw does not reflect his typical conservative approach to interception avoidance.

I agree that it comes back to haunt Rodgers if he doesn´t get the call. But I´m fine with him attempting a high risk throw in those situations as I think he gets the penalty flag in most cases.
 

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But I´m fine with him attempting a high risk throw in those situations as I think he gets the penalty flag in most cases.
I agree, besides it was early in the game and overcomeable. While setting probably the highest self-standard of any QB out there, he's not going to be perfect on every single play in every single game. 100% healthy and no rain, and he would complete that pass nearly every time. He owned up to the mistake, and had an explanation for it. At least he has a brain and a backbone.
 
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100% healthy and no rain, and he would complete that pass nearly every time.

Once again, I don´t think it was an easy throw at all. But that has already been discussed in detail in this thread.
 

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I'd characterize it as "not a good game" as opposed to a "bad game", given the quality of the opposing defense.

Rodgers averaged 8.4 yards per attempt during the regular season (good for 2nd in the NFL) and only 5.24 yards per attempt in the conference title game (not sure how low that would have been, pro football reference only goes to 33 QBs on that list and he would be below them all).

Any time you can say that Rodgers played like Blake Bortles (obviously Bortles would have done worse, just saying that Rodgers' game was pretty much Bortles stat line for the season) is a time I would say Rodgers had a bad game.
 

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It is something they've done all year. A perfect world allows Rodgers to see every flag and know every instance. Yes it would have been nice had he made sure one was on the field before throwing, but are you really going to get upset with the process? They practice it all the time and execute in gametime all year long. A guy jumps, linsley snaps it and Rodgers goes down field.

That exact scenario happened, guy jumped in to neutral zone, linsley snapped it and Rodgers went down field. It's an easy call for the official to make. I prefer they run what they practice to take advantage of that then squander opportunities because they're too busy looking for a flag from every official on the field.

every team does it. The QB sees the defensive guy jump and he goes for it or the center sees him jump and he snaps the ball. I can honestly say I can't ever recall it not going the offense's favor. From the looks of the pictures I've seen this one should have as well.
 

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The players can't count on getting the flag, nor can they be certain there wasn't some tiny flinch by Bulaga they did not see.

This would not be the first time Rodgers thought he had a free play when he didn't. I can recall a couple of occasions where Rodgers threw at a receiver he thought was held only to have his protests fall on deaf ears. Further, it is no terrible surprise the refs missed it. Refs fail to flag D-Line guys lined up with their helmets in the neutral zone with regularity, and that's an easier call to make.

So, the free play is a calculated risk that Rodgers is surely aware of. Given the uncertainties of getting the call, priority #1 in the World According to Rodgers applies in the assumed free play as it does any other time...put it where it cannot be intercepted.

Rodgers violated his own rules of engagement...it was a poor pass because Sherman caught it, not because the receiver didn't. It was a low probability opportunity to start with.

this is nothing like thinking a WR was held and not getting the call. It's not just Rodgers. Every QB in the league knows that when a defensive lineman jumps you might as well go for it all because its a free play. 99 time out of 100 it is.
 

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I'm guessing Mr. McGinn worships at the altar of Favre. I would hate to see a list of #4's post season foibles. Also, McGinn's list of top 25 QBs had Bart Starr an "honorable mention."

I am definitely in the "quarterbacks get way too much credit for a team's success and way too much blame for a team's failure" camp. We Packer fans are fortunate we've had QBs of the calibre of Starr, Favre, and Rodgers. Did I say "fortunate"? Perhaps I should have said, "spoiled.":) Personally, I prefer to take the position, the Green Bay Packers have not been quite good enough in those close call situations. Instead of pointing fingers at one guy all the time, be he Aaron Rodgers or Brandon Bostick, let's concentrate on getting better and deeper at EVERY position on the 53-man roster until we're so loaded that no single player's bad day or even bad moment cannot be overcome by the other 52.
 

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The interception in the end zone is an easy touchdown if rodgers makes a goo throw. Ball should have been to the outside shoulder not inside of adams. If it had been td and Sherman gets burned trying to bait rodgers. Either way there were so many plays like that one in the game you can't pin the loss on just one. Nelson dropping td at begining of game to Quarless dropping first down at end of game. I just wish Dix had gotten the pick he nearly had the play before Burnett got his becas as you could clearly see by the way Dix was ready to escort Burnett to the end zone, Dix was not laying down with the ball in his hands. Bottom line the whole team thought the game was won before it was and they paid the price for that poor judgement.
 

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Blaming Rodgers is a fool's errand. Hate to remind the Packer faithful, but it takes more then just a QB to win the Superbowl, plus it takes "luck". Was Rodgers great against Seattle? No. But he was good enough to win, aside from the fact he was gimpy. Legions are blaming McCarthy. Yeah? He did pretty good for 56 minutes. Perhaps no one listened to the pundits who 9 to 1 predicted a Seahawk dominated game. You want to blame something, I suggest the horrid special teams that directly was responsible for the collapse.
 

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I have no problem with this article by McGinn. I wouldn't trade Rogers for any other current QB, but that doesn't mean he can't improve. His overall rating this year (regular season) was 109.9, just behind Romo for best in the league.

But inside the 20, Rogers drops to 94.3 and inside the 10 he drops further to 87.9

Last year the Packers' rating inside the 10 was 70.5 and we were 26th in the league in percentage of red zone touchdowns. A lot of that was the fact that Rogers missed so many games, but it goes to show the importance of the quarterback in the red zone.

In 2012 Rogers' rating overall was 108.3 which improved to 109.9 inside the 20, and an astounding 114.6 inside the 10. Not surprisingly, the Packers ranked first in the league in red zone touchdown percentage that year.

I can't find the stats on red zone touchdown percentage for this year, but we had a problem scoring red zone TDs all year. Rogers was part of it; play calling part of it; no dominant tight end part of it. It all can be better.

And it made my heart feel good to see Seattle's ripped out on Sunday. We've outplayed them 2 of 3 games in Seattle and have nothing to show for it. Can't wait to handle them in Lambeau next season.
 

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Blaming Rodgers is a fool's errand. Hate to remind the Packer faithful, but it takes more then just a QB to win the Superbowl, plus it takes "luck". Was Rodgers great against Seattle? No. But he was good enough to win, aside from the fact he was gimpy. Legions are blaming McCarthy. Yeah? He did pretty good for 56 minutes. Perhaps no one listened to the pundits who 9 to 1 predicted a Seahawk dominated game. You want to blame something, I suggest the horrid special teams that directly was responsible for the collapse.

  1. Nobody is saying it was all Rodgers' fault, just that he was a factor in the loss
  2. One of the issues some have with McCarthy was his coaching in the first 56 minutes (unless you think his gameplan included the expectation of Wilson throwing 4 INTs)
    1. Not going for the TD on the goal line when all actual evidence says he should have, being overly conservative toward the end of the game, his ridiculous "20 carry" goal
  3. Special teams was also certainly a factor but not the only one
 

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