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McCarthy's Playcalling

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by Carl, Jan 22, 2014.

  1. Carl

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    My bad. You're totally right.
     
  2. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I heard this a whole bunch of times here and on call in radio shows...

    So I asked a few times in chat during games to guess next call...I dont think anyone ever called it right...

    Showed how predictable he isnt
     
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  3. Carl

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    I tried one game to guess a lot one game. I didn't think he was predictable, just curious how I would do. I was miserable at it.
     
  4. ThxJackVainisi

    ThxJackVainisi Lifelong Packers Fanatic

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    With the exception of a few plays here and there, I don't think fans know enough to criticize play calling. More often than not the play call being questioned would have worked except for the execution of a player or players. The coaches look at huge number of tendencies of opponents - and their own tendencies, it really has the characteristics of a chess match. Unless a fan has access to the coaches "tapes" and study them full time, there's just no way fans can compete with that. That's why IMO the entire body of work of a play caller is more revealing to fans. And any fan who thinks he can predict the plays is only fooling himself (and the gullible), unless he thinks calling "pass" or "run" is actually predicting the next play.
     
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  5. HyponGrey

    HyponGrey Caseus Locutus Est

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    I think Rodgers already calls the plays. He just gets a package of plays over the mike from MM to pick from.
     
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    IF that's the case, on a regular basis, I would be highly disappointed in Rodgers because the play calling sucks.
     
  7. Forderick

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    my biggest problem has been its 3rd and 5 and we throw a bomb . You need 5 f ing yards to keep the chains moving!!!! Go for 6 yards or something within 5.

    or the 3rd and 1 with an empty backfield, so stupid IMO. Maybe its a QB sneak but I would think the defence would think about that too.
     
  8. Carl

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    Fantastic post.

    Really agree with the execution of plays as more of an issue. All the run plays last week would have been great calls if the lineman sustained their blocks. Seattle's run plays worked because guys made their blocks. It wasn't better run play calls on their part.
     
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  9. Carl

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    Not as simple as saying just because they threw it deep means the play was designed for that or that it was a bad idea.

    A receiver could have an option route and went long because short wasn't open, or a receiver could have went long to try to open up the coverage underneath and ended up the more open guy, or the defense showed a look that made going long a good idea, but it was poorly executed.

    All factors that we don't know for the most part sitting at home.
     
  10. Carl

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    I'd like to see a more in depth analysis of how the play calling is bad with specific examples of bad play calls.

    This offense has always been good under MM and I don't see how an offense can be good with bad play calling. I'd need more than "the play didn't work so it was a bad call" in order to agree that the play calling is bad.
     
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    MM just calls the wrong play more times than I like . I'm especially not a big fan of his red zone play calling either, it's like he has no imagination what so ever. If you are going to through the ball there draw up some screens man. It's already a compacted space so give Rodgers done eAsy throws and see what happens. The bFL gas caught on to the back shoulder fade and DBS are taught now to stay square in your back pedal as long as you can just in case the back shoulder throw is attempted. Also I'd like to see more boot leg action as well..Rodgers is as good as it gets when he's throwing on the run , also wouldn't hurt to use Cobb in the backfield as a potential runner or wr as defenses would have to account for him more than an Eddie Lacy or James Starks opening things up a little more for the other guys not to mention the fact that he can throw the ball. That read option Seattle ran that Russell turned into a touchdown pass made me upset but it was a thing if beauty if you appreciate a good play call. We can do that with either Rodgers or Cobb. Be creative!
     
  12. PackerDNA

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    This is why I'm always reluctant to go off on play calling. I'm not on the sidelines or in the booth with headsets on . I don't know what the call is, what it entails, or why it was made at that time.
    Are bad calls made? I'm sure there are now and then. Sometimes it's a great call blown by poor execution. Others, the opponent just had a better call on at the time that blows up your call.
    At any rate I don't feel qualified for the most part to judge play calling during a game.
     
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  13. Ogsponge

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    I think anyone who complains about MM's play calling should have to endorse it like political campaign ads and the endorsements should ALWAYS have to say...


    "Even though hindsight is 20/20 and plays often don't work because the other team executed better and I could not even properly call an offensive game plan for the local Pop Warner football team and I truly have no idea what I am talking about and basing my thoughts entirely on the fact that the play did not work after the play was executed, MM's play calling sucks"


    The reason being is that everything I said above is true, we are all just a bunch of armchair quarterbacks who like to think we know everything. And unless you played or coached football at the collegiate level or above (which would actually give you insight into the complexity of calling plays which is not as simple as I Right 22 Dive), you honestly have no flocking clue what you are talking about when it comes to play calling, in fact, quite frankly, you are a flocking idiot when it comes to play calling in the NFL. People do not get to MM's position because they are idiots or bad play callers, period, end of story.


    For the record I include myself in this bunch and this statement is not made as a personal attack against anyone.
     
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  14. PackerDNA

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    Speaking strictly for myself, DraftHobbyist, I know a good deal about playcalling, both offensive and defensive. My point was that I don't know what they called or why at the time, and without that 'inside' knowledge, the whole argument is a non starter.
     
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    So we are in agreement then? That was an awful lot of words to agree with me.
     
  16. PackerDNA

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    Fair enough points, but when I see linemen get stood up and driven back, or blown coverages, or wr's running the wrong routes, that's execution and fundamentals problems. I see way too much of all of the above in every game I watch.
     
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    It’s not that fans don’t know anything about play calling, it’s that they don’t know enough (see the difference?). Even if someone played collegiate football, they still are not privy to the intricacies of what goes on during the week of preparation or during the game regarding play calling. I can’t speak for others but my positive claims about McCarthy’s play calling are based upon his entire body of work as a play caller: The evidence is the production of his offenses since he arrived as HC in Green Bay.

    BTW, IMO the burden of proof is on anyone who hates McCarthy’s play calling. How can they explain the production of his offenses vs. the league?
     
  18. longtimefan

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    2013-----points 8th, yards 3rd

    2012 ----points 5th, yards 13th

    2011 ----points 1st, yards 3rd

    2010 ----points 10th, yards 9th

    2009 ----points 3rd, yards 6th

    2008 ----points 5th, yards 8th

    top ten in scoring all of Rodgers starting years
     
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    When I see ARod bitch him out, heh. Or when Nelson sat down in the zone last week; he's open, Aaron is looking directly at him. Aaron throws to him there, but for some reason Jordy decided to take off. That's a blown route on Jordy.We could go on, but I think we get each others points, and I gotta go.
    Looking forward to yakking with you all again soon.
     
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    According to Pro Football Reference's drive finder the Packers were ranked 23rd in red zone TD efficiency at 52.31%, not sure which source is more accurate.

    The thing I wanted to point out though is that not be efficient had nothing to do with losing Rodgers as the Packers were ranked 17th at 51.72% at the time he got injured.
     
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  23. Mile High Packer Backer

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    Ugh...McCarthy drives me insane with his play calling at times. Let's take Seattle as an example...
    1) Why did he leave go to pass heavy play calling in the 3rd quarter? It left Sherrod exposed and played into the Seahawks strength.
    2) Why did he stop running between the tackles where they had moderate success and start running to the edges against a fast defense where those plays had no chance?
    3) Why wasn't there more play action?
    4 Why didn't he go deep into the playbook and try some trickery with Cobb?

    His 3rd quarter play calling blew the game open, and he ended up wearing down his own already sloppy defense with another series of brain fart decisions.
     
  24. Carl

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    1) Running wasn't working.
    2) I have disagree as I didn't see any runs working consistently.
    3) Running wasn't working. Defense won't bite on play action when the run does nothing.
    4) Don't have an answer to this one.
     
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    After 2 weeks the Packers rank 24th in rushing offense. 18% of the rushing is Rogers' scrambles. Our running game is pathetic at present.
     

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