Marquez Valdes-Scantling

[swhitset]

One thing you may not remember:

Adams was a pretty good drop machine his first year, too.

second year actually... but he was playing hurt.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

MVS is a feast or famine player. He is what he is.

The problem many seem to fail to understand is that even when he's "famine" There's still plenty of value to having him on the field. The defense needs to respect his ability to get down field which draws coverage. (and no its not just as simple a replacement of grabbing any fast guy and plugging him out there)

No one is arguing that he is a #2 WR. Or really a reliable #3 right now. That would be asinine. Whats being argued is his value doesnt always show on a stat sheet.

Arguing that he is a trash player and should be cut is just plain asinine.

Like many topics here, there are extreme views on both ends in regards to MVS. Some think he is awesome and people just need to be patient, while others feel he is garbage and needs to be cut. Then there is the in between view of a guy that was a 5th round pick and we are getting more out of him than you normally do from a 5th.

My view of him, he is a decent backup WR, but one that shouldn't see the field for more than 10-15 snaps a game, until he proves otherwise. He by no means is your starter Week 1. I actually would like to see what he could do as a return guy. With his speed, maybe he finds a role as a special teamer and a part time Offensive weapon. He actually epitomizes my frustration with the approach to the WR position that Gute has had...."We have #12 and #17, anything else is gravy." We have seen way too many MVS's over the last 5 or so years, lets get a solid #2 WR to have on the field with Adams.

 

[RepStar15]

I think there are two real problems with MVS.
1. He is one dimensional. He literally is ONLY a deep ball threat. He gets separation on post and go routes and Rodgers has the arm to put him in a position to score.
2. His catch percentage has been right around 50% for three years straight (52%, 46% and 47%). When Rodgers throws a dime to MVS, there is only a 50% chance he catches it. To put into perspective DJ Chark (whom is also having a down year when compared to last year) is catching 59% of his deep throws, which are coming from an inaccurate QB. Rodgers has not been perfect in the deep ball, but maybe all but one throw to MVS the ball was placed in a position where MVS could make a play.

That is the problem with MVS. He has three jobs. Block (which he does OK at), get open on a post or go route (he excels at) and catch the ball (he is well below average at). I expect 2020 to be his last year in GB. Cutting him next year will open up $900K, which the packers could easily find a more efficient deep ball specialist that may lack his blocking skills, but could gain a more dynamic player for veteran minimum with.

 

[GleefulGary]

Hey mr. competence. He had one target and dropped it and one carry for a loss. Keep defending that bum. Might as well put a tight end there if all you want is blocking. I don't know about you, but I want my receivers to actually catch the ball.

Out of curiosity, on that sweep that he had for a loss of yards, what could he have done differently?

 

[GleefulGary]

I think there are two real problems with MVS.
1. He is one dimensional. He literally is ONLY a deep ball threat. He gets separation on post and go routes and Rodgers has the arm to put him in a position to score.
2. His catch percentage has been right around 50% for three years straight (52%, 46% and 47%). When Rodgers throws a dime to MVS, there is only a 50% chance he catches it. To put into perspective DJ Chark (whom is also having a down year when compared to last year) is catching 59% of his deep throws, which are coming from an inaccurate QB. Rodgers has not been perfect in the deep ball, but maybe all but one throw to MVS the ball was placed in a position where MVS could make a play.

That is the problem with MVS. He has three jobs. Block (which he does OK at), get open on a post or go route (he excels at) and catch the ball (he is well below average at). I expect 2020 to be his last year in GB. Cutting him next year will open up $900K, which the packers could easily find a more efficient deep ball specialist that may lack his blocking skills, but could gain a more dynamic player for veteran minimum with.

Chark is getting more than just deep balls. He plays the mid routes pretty well.

 

[Mondio]

Out of curiosity, on that sweep that he had for a loss of yards, what could he have done differently?

that play was going nowhere.

 

[Mondio]

Like many topics here, there are extreme views on both ends in regards to MVS. Some think he is awesome and people just need to be patient, while others feel he is garbage and needs to be cut. Then there is the in between view of a guy that was a 5th round pick and we are getting more out of him than you normally do from a 5th.

My view of him, he is a decent backup WR, but one that shouldn't see the field for more than 10-15 snaps a game, until he proves otherwise. He by no means is your starter Week 1. I actually would like to see what he could do as a return guy. With his speed, maybe he finds a role as a special teamer and a part time Offensive weapon. He actually epitomizes my frustration with the approach to the WR position that Gute has had...."We have #12 and #17, anything else is gravy." We have seen way too many MVS's over the last 5 or so years, lets get a solid #2 WR to have on the field with Adams.

He seems to run timid so i'm not sure he'd hit any crease with his speed to make him effective. I like the kid, seems to work hard and doesn't sulk and let his drops effect the parts of his game he does well. We all want more, but i'm not going to let that affect how I think about him compared to what he is.

He'll be replaced one day if he doesn't change drastically, but I don't see return man in his future.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

He seems to run timid so i'm not sure he'd hit any crease with his speed to make him effective.

Agreed and good point. MVS really looks scared after he catches a pass, like he has never been hit before.

As far as returns, Shepherd already showed us what timid gets you, fumbles and below average returns. Matter of fact, pretty much everyone put back on Kickoffs and to some extent punts has looked that way for years. I put that on coaching. I really get the feeling that Shawn Enigma coaches out of fear and it appears that his players are being instructed "just don't do anything stupid and don't take any chances at all".

Maybe a new Special Teams coach and attitude is all this team needs?

 

[tynimiller]

Honestly his willingness this year to seak out and block it still seems odd to me how he doesn't run with the ball the same way.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Honestly his willingness this year to seak out and block it still seems odd to me how he doesn't run with the ball the same way.

I don't think he has much of a choice in MLF's offense. You see all of the WR's blocking and my guess is, if they don't, they don't play much. Could be why both Begleton and Shepherd saw such few snaps, besides lacking the talent as well.

I'm hoping MLF scraps running the Jet sweep with MVS, that wasn't really his fault, but man it was ugly.

 

[tynimiller]

I don't think he has much of a choice in MLF's offense. You see all of the WR's blocking and my guess is, if they don't, they don't play much. Could be why both Begleton and Shepherd saw such few snaps, besides lacking the talent as well.

I'm hoping MLF scraps running the Jet sweep with MVS, that wasn't really his fault, but man it was ugly.

I think Begelton was less blocking or willingness to (perhaps execution lacked, I'd have to watch tape) but more so playbook absorption and NFL vs Canada play style. I still kinda have a hope for him to progress, I still like his chops if they translate. 2021/2022 will be his time to make it or break it.

 

[longtimefan]

I don't think he has much of a choice in MLF's offense. You see all of the WR's blocking and my guess is, if they don't, they don't play much. Could be why both Begleton and Shepherd saw such few snaps, besides lacking the talent as well.

I'm hoping MLF scraps running the Jet sweep with MVS, that wasn't really his fault, but man it was ugly.

Perfect play at the time..doesnt mean it was wrong

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Perfect play at the time..doesnt mean it was wrong

Not sure what you mean by it being a "Perfect play at the time"? That play looked far from perfect from the moment the ball was snapped.

Now if you are talking about the 50 yard bomb that MVS dropped, I would agree with you.

 

[longtimefan]

Not sure what you mean by it being a "Perfect play at the time"? That play looked far from perfect from the moment the ball was snapped.

Now if you are talking about the 50 yard bomb that MVS dropped, I would agree with you.

Philly (Defender) had perfect play called and he played it perfect

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Philly (Defender) had perfect play called and he played it perfect

I'm too lazy to try and find the play on video, I can't remember even what Q it happened in. My recollection of the play was a whole lot of nothing being done correctly by the Packers. Sure the Philly Defense busted in, but then I would again say that it wasn't the perfect play call...based on the Philly defense.

 

[JK64]

Out of curiosity, on that sweep that he had for a loss of yards, what could he have done differently?

The people assigned to block could have done better. That wasn't a good play call.

 

[longtimefan]

I'm too lazy to try and find the play on video, I can't remember even what Q it happened in. My recollection of the play was a whole lot of nothing being done correctly by the Packers. Sure the Philly Defense busted in, but then I would again say that it wasn't the perfect play call...based on the Philly defense.

I believe Romo gave props to the defender. Said his job was to stay home? And he did.

 

[tynimiller]

I believe Romo gave props to the defender. Said his job was to stay home? And he did.

The people assigned to block could have done better. That wasn't a good play call.

That jet sweep is all hinged on the edge defender biting just a hair enough for the speed of the sweep player (Ervin usually, getting by before they realize they overstepped). That defender diagnosed and delivered the punch nearly before MVS had even taken a full stride after getting ball. NOT a single player in the history of the NFL is doing anything more than MVS did in that situation. Not every play called is going to works...but 100% of the plays not called never work as an old coach of mine said.

 

[GleefulGary]

The people assigned to block could have done better. That wasn't a good play call.

Oh. And that’s on MVS then?

Why was it a bad play call? Because it didn’t work?

 

[tynimiller]

Oh. And that’s on MVS then?

Why was it a bad play call? Because it didn’t work?

Someone is about to get ignored LOL

 

[Poppa San]

Someone is about to get ignored LOL

Can't ignore moderators

 

[tynimiller]

Can't ignore moderators

LOL that's amazing!

 

[GleefulGary]

LOL that's amazing!

Why do you think I wanted the gig?!

 

[tynimiller]

Why do you think I wanted the gig?!

I cannot love this more LOL That is amazing.

 

[gbgary]

rodgers loves his speed and MLF loves his heart. he'll be here next year. the difficult catch just isn't his forte. at this point he pretty much needs a clean ball and be harassment free. maybe next year.