Fire Matt LaFleur

[shockerx]

Where I was surprised is we had used Tucker one direct snap early season. We then went away from that over the remaining weeks until he was hurt. Tucker was 3/3 for 6 yards. 100%.

Now I realize Tucker is a stud but I’m pretty sure one of our TE’s (including Tucker) could’ve been successful requesting that. We went away from that and I’m curious why?

Well after Kraft went down, you are getting limited on TE to run that play. I dont think Musgrave could pick up a tough yard against a grove of dandelions.

 

[gopkrs]

Well after Kraft went down, you are getting limited on TE to run that play. I dont think Musgrave could pick up a tough yard against a grove of dandelions.

And I honestly don't think Kraft would continue picking them up. Our O line just doesn't gave that push

 

[milani]

Agree. Always a "fun" thing for fans to see, but probably not the best thing for a players body.

I would also love to know how many players are injured during "celebrations". There was a star IU player that ended his season after injuring his leg celebrating with fans after the Big10 Championship game in Dec. I believe I saw a Miami Hurricane player do the same thing while coming off the field and chest bumping with a teammate.

Notable Examples of NFL Celebration Injuries:

• Bill Gramatica (Kicker): Tore his ACL jumping after kicking a field goal, before anyone touched him.
• Gus Frerotte (Quarterback): Headbutted a concrete wall after a touchdown, spraining his neck.
• Lamar Houston (Defensive End): Tore his ACL celebrating a sack, ending his season.
• Stephen Tulloch (Linebacker): Suffered a torn ACL during a sack dance.
• Ted Ginn Jr. (Wide Receiver): Sprained his foot after a teammate tackled him in celebration after a kickoff return touchdown.
• Tyrell Shavers & Gabe Davis (Wide Receivers): Both suffered torn ACLs during the same playoff game in January 2026, with Shavers' injury occurring during a celebration.

I remember Grammatica. He was called Martine. It actually was when we saw it.

 

[OldSchool101]

Due to a lack of cap space, both Jenkins and Rasheed Walker could very well be gone. That would leave the Packets with little or no depth on the O line. Gute would need to spend draft picks on O linemen. That makes a ton of sense but there's an opportunity cost in that those picks can't be devoted to other places on the roster.

Yes. Imo our trenches are most in need of an immediate veteran upgrade. On Offense our Pass block was above average but Run blocking was dismal level.

-We lost Elgton

-We lost a heathy Tom for much of the season and when he played he wasn’t 100%.

-We will very likely move on from our LT, Walker.

-We will need to decide on Rhyan and might consider keeping him due to 2 OL departing.

While we do have Morgan and Belton I’d like to have a veteran who can come in and Win the starter role and who’s at least a presumed upgrade over our 2025 group at 1 position on OL.

 

[AGreen2AJones]

I have serious doubts that a single person on the Packer coaching staff took Carrington Valentine aside on Saturday night and said, “nice pick, but we need to remember the down and situation. We’re looking to knock that ball down on 4th down, not intercept it.”

I have serious doubts that 4 days later, he is even aware that he did anything wrong.

Yep!! I just remember the do or die Week 18 game against Detroit. Packers lost of course. There were multiple personal foul penalties that were super costly. Nothing has changed

 

[OldSchool101]

Well after Kraft went down, you are getting limited on TE to run that play. I dont think Musgrave could pick up a tough yard against a grove of dandelions.

Makes sense. However that 3/3,
100% success rate using Tucker on 4th n short is from 2024 and long before his injury. He played in 11 games without a single 4th down try after converting a perfect 100%. Just always curious why we would stop using something that had success.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Where I was surprised is we had used Tucker one direct snap early season. We then went away from that over the remaining weeks until he was hurt. Tucker was 3/3 for 6 yards on 4th down tries this year. 100%.

Now I realize Tucker is a stud but I’m pretty sure one of our TE’s (including Tucker) could’ve been repeating that. We went away from that successful play and I’m curious why?

That's an interesting stat. I'm not that surprised that Kraft picked up first downs on direct snaps, although once that becomes successful, opposing Ds will account for it.

I'm not a big fan of running plays that start from shotgun or direct snap. The runner is 4 or 5 yards behind the LOS when he first gets the ball.

Even so, Kraft might be strong enough to pull that off consistently. I'd rather see them develop a tush push with Kraft under center. Everyone knows it's coming, but as Philadelphia has shown, it can have a high conversion rate.

 

[Heyjoe4]

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A little more from Schefter:

“There’s no deal right now, and it’s a negotiation. When there’s a negotiation and there’s no deal, there could be a breakthrough at any moment. I think both sides would like to make that happen, but... they’ve been trying to do this for a little while and still have not gotten it figured out. The longer it lingers, the more you wonder where it’s going to go and how it’s going to result. The way I would interpret it right now is that it’s up in the air."

"I do believe there’s a time limit, absolutely, because there are all these openings. I firmly believe most places would have a high level of interest in Matt LaFleur. Now you’re saying the Packers part ways. I don’t know whether they wouldn’t hold him up and say, ‘OK, Team X, you want him, give us a third-round pick or a second-round pick.’"

Interesting stuff Magooch, thanks. I like the idea of getting draft capital in a trade for MLF. I just don't think MLF would get more than a 6th or 7th rounder, if that.

I'm sure that is one thing Policy (and probably Gluten) are looking at. In this case, no news is not necessarily good news for MLF.

It's like the world of sales - "yes" comes quickly, "no" takes forever. Seems less likley MLF will be retained - but there are a lot of moving parts.

I've gone back and forth on the topic of whacking MLF. MLF has the respect of the team - no small thing. Even Parsons spoke up on behalf of keeping MLF. But this isn't just about MLF. Even if he stays, there are a lot of coaching positions likely to be changed, and the possibility that Policy promotes Gluten to head of all football staffing and operations and makes MLF's future his decision. That may be the reason for the delay.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I do also think, if nothing else, we can probably safely rule out Matt being straight-up fired at this point. If that was their intention, that would've happened by now IMO. I can't see any advantage to drawing it out. Either they are still trying to hash out terms (and think they are close enough that an agreement will ultimately be reached) or they really are shopping a possible trade.

Agreed. And Policy may want to promote Gluten to head of football staffing and operations. Under that scenario, MLF and Russ Ball would report to Gluten, and Gluten makes the call on HC. That's one possible reason this is taking longer.

 

[Magooch]

The latest update (as of this morning) is more or less what some have speculated...both sides want to continue working together but they've not quite got on the same page just yet.

"[Matt LaFleur] is the next coach to watch right now. He and the Green Bay Packers have been discussing a new deal, but there have been some disagreements over the length of the contract, over the money involved in the contract..."

"I would expect this to come to a head at some point here by the end of this week, one way or another. Both sides would like to figure it out. And maybe they will, but it hasn't happened just yet. We'll see if they can get that done today or tomorrow."

(Schefter)

 

[mradtke66]

That's an interesting stat. I'm not that surprised that Kraft picked up first downs on direct snaps, although once that becomes successful, opposing Ds will account for it.

I'm not a big fan of running plays that start from shotgun or direct snap. The runner is 4 or 5 yards behind the LOS when he first gets the ball.

The catch is that is not what he's done. We lined up in shotgun, Kraft motioned to under-center QB, took the snap, and ran a sneak.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Players are not going to speak ill of the current couch, BUT the level of which players are speaking in support of Matt is for sure something Ed has to consider. I mean Parsons being so new to the organization has made it clear and evident in a big way MLF was a major reason they have him in the building.

Yeah I thought it was odd that Parsons went out of his way to voice support for MLF, citing MLF as a reason he wanted to come to GB. Can't ignore that.

My best guess (today) is that Gluten gets promoted to head of football staffing and operations. So Gluten would make the call on MLF's future. Whether MLF stays or not, there are a lot of coaching positions that will change. This isn't just about MLF's future, but about how the organization is structured with Policy as the boss. That could be the cause for this delay.

 

[tynimiller]

Demarcus Covington getting DC interview calls....

 

[Magooch]

Demarcus Covington getting DC interview calls....

I had heard some chatter previously that made it sound like if Hafley gets a HC gig, there's a good chance he'd try and bring one of Covington/Ansley along to be his DC...

Not sure how reliable that is but we could be looking at a serious shakeup... and potentially a mostly clean slate for LaFleur assuming he returns

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Some interesting but troubling scoring stats for 2025:

Defense:

- The Packers defense was the best in the NFL when it came to points allowed in the 1st Q: 1.6 pts/game.

- However, the defense was 29th in the NFL in the 4th Q. Giving up 8.8 pts/game.

Offense:

The offense was somewhat the polar opposite.

- Offense scored only 3.2 pts/game in the 1st Q. which was 28th lowest in the NFL

- Offense scored 7.7 pts/game in the 4th Q, their best Q statistically, which ranked them 8th in the NFL.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Demarcus Covington getting DC interview calls....

Is Bisaccia getting any calls?

 

[Pkrjones]

Is Bisaccia getting any calls?

That's a Band-aid that needs to be ripped & forcefully thrown away... but hopefully by the new regime.

 

[tynimiller]

Is Bisaccia getting any calls?

I've heard Gute and MLF have been trying to call him but he won't answer LOL

 

[Magooch]

As some have speculated:

"I was told that Ed Policy would prefer to go back to the old way (having HC report to GM and GM to president) and the problem is do you extend Gutey and give him that power before you extend LaFleur? That could also be part of the hold up here." (Demovsky)

 

[rdawsoniii]

The latest update (as of this morning) is more or less what some have speculated...both sides want to continue working together but they've not quite got on the same page just yet.

"[Matt LaFleur] is the next coach to watch right now. He and the Green Bay Packers have been discussing a new deal, but there have been some disagreements over the length of the contract, over the money involved in the contract..."

"I would expect this to come to a head at some point here by the end of this week, one way or another. Both sides would like to figure it out. And maybe they will, but it hasn't happened just yet. We'll see if they can get that done today or tomorrow."

(Schefter)

No way should Matt get much…if any…raise, and certainly not a long extension. He has earned neither.

 

[Magooch]

No way should Matt get much…if any…raise, and certainly not a long extension. He has earned neither.

Practically speaking they will go hand-in-hand... I have my complaints but all in all LaFleur's salary currently is pretty reasonable as far as most head coaches go, and probably less than you would expect to pay a new one... Guys like Aaron Glenn, Ben Johnson, Liam Coen, Mike McDonald all walked into higher salaries as first-time head coaches than LaFleur was earning *after* his first extension with the team. In all likelihood if you move on from LaFleur you are going to have to spend every bit as much and more on a new guy as it would cost you to retain LaFleur.

That's not to say he has earned it or that we SHOULD go that direction, but that's the practical reality of the situation. If you're keeping LaFleur, he's getting a pay raise...and if you're not keeping him, you're going to pay that amount for a replacement (or less for a total no-name, I suppose. Which is perfectly possible lol)

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I've heard Gute and MLF have been trying to call him but he won't answer LOL

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[rmontro]

- Offense scored 7.7 pts/game in the 4th Q, their best Q statistically, which ranked them 8th in the NFL.

Considering their propensity for collapsing, I find that somewhat surprising.

 

[tynimiller]

No way should Matt get much…if any…raise, and certainly not a long extension. He has earned neither.

The league will prove you dramatically wrong if we fired him...100%

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

No way should Matt get much…if any…raise, and certainly not a long extension. He has earned neither.

It is the way of the NFL.....The pie just keeps getting bigger and bigger!

So even if your performance stays the same, you still want your slice of the pie to grow just as much as the rest of the pie grew.

Here is the thing folks. The Packers basically print their own money and "money" is really only a concern in how it is accounted for in terms of the salary cap. Coaches salaries do not impact the cap in any way. This is the same for all teams. So if you hear that the Packer retained MLF and gave him a 30% increase in doing so, stay away from the ledge!