Fire Matt LaFleur

[Magooch]

An extension will also undoubtedly come with a pay raise, too. It’s not just a matter of “accepting” or “tolerating” these results and/or performances but actively rewarding them.

 

[Sanguine camper]

Amazing lose five games and the biggest playoff lead blown. Get an extension

Like I've posted before, that's accountability in Green Bay. You get rewarded for failure. We saw it play out much too often in the MM years when Capers would get extended for putting out porous defenses. The reward for failure has continued into the current era.

After 7 seasons of failing in the postseason, MLF isn't going to show us a new side to him and instill discipline and toughness. Any future seasons with him are going to be wasted. The only hope I see is if some of the veteran players take on a much bigger leadership role like Woodson.

 

[Snoops]

In hindsight there is nothing better than lafleur and they don’t want to gamble on that with the current team in place. We can all agree it would be gamble to have a worse coach it’s not a “strong” group of candidates so they are going to try and keep him they have to try and bring in a new OC and likely a DC if Hafley leaves which brings me to his “friend” Morris as the new DC which is mehhh I would prefer to open up checkbook to Flores if he doesn’t get a HC position they need to try and bring in McDaniel as OC which is unlikely but worth a shot. Playcalling needs to get turned over. This is monumental decision and could back fire badly if they don’t win the division this year. Lafleurs seat has to be hotter than the sun itself his first move better be firing Rich and trying to get better he has to show a different side of him to win over the fan base This is wild

 

[Magooch]

Supposedly a large factor in Harbaugh's departure was that he was told he needed to find new coordinators and he wasn't willing to do so. IMO that should be part of the stipulations to continue with LaFleur - special teams continues to suck and the offense falls apart late, so you're going to need to find a new ST coordinator and a new OC who can manage the second half adequately, or you're gone. Although at this point I'm not entirely sure I'd really trust LaFleur to pick the right guy(s) to fill those positions, either.

 

[Snoops]

If anyone has this stat, I would love to know it. Basically, the breakdown of the timeouts called by the Packers and the situation that they were called in. Maybe it is just selective muscle memory for me, but it seems like at least once or twice a game, the Packers burn a timeout to avoid a delay of game, a 5 yard penalty. Now sometimes, that doesn't come back to bite you (not having a timeout), but it sure would have been nice to have one in the back pocket on Saturday when Sean Rhyan went down and with no timeouts, it cost the Packers 10 seconds and at least one extra play to try and win the game.

Whether it is burning timeouts to avoid delay of games or Love having to rush a snap, too many times this season the communication between MLF and Love was way too slow. IF MLF is back and IF MLF won't give up play calling, this issue should be a high priority in 2026. Give your veteran QB plenty of time to look at the defense, audible out, shift players, etc.

There is no stat to look up you witness it every game he burns the most unnecessary Timeouts in the history of the NFL yes you see him panic on the sideline before he does it. Don’t be in denial you are right lol

 

[AGreen2AJones]

Like I've posted before, that's accountability in Green Bay. You get rewarded for failure. We saw it play out much too often in the MM years when Capers would get extended for putting out porous defenses. The reward for failure has continued into the current era.

After 7 seasons of failing in the postseason, MLF isn't going to show us a new side to him and instill discipline and toughness. Any future seasons with him are going to be wasted. The only hope I see is if some of the veteran players take on a much bigger leadership role like Woodson.

Youre absolutely right.

I'm seriously bewildered but shouldn't be surprised.

Only solution is for the board to be removed as soon as possible and for them to demand someone that will make the changes. That will never happen

 

[rmontro]

After 7 seasons of failing in the postseason, MLF isn't going to show us a new side to him and instill discipline and toughness. Any future seasons with him are going to be wasted.

What makes things worse is that MLF's teams seem to be regressing the longer his tenure goes on. Love's first year they won a playoff game. Then last year they finished the season 0-3. This year they finish 0-5. One thing I've always looked for as a prediction of future success is how a team finishes the season. Falling apart at the end of the season is never a good sign.

One possibility is that maybe Gute, or whoever is involved in making the decision to keep MLF, fears that if LaFleur is held accountable, then they might be held accountable as well. Safer to keep the "good old buys" club together.

 

[Sanguine camper]

The worst case scenario with MLF would be to extend him and then they win their 8 or 9 games per season. Too many wins for good draft picks and too few to be competitive. That scenario could easily happen.

Another scenario is the team has seen enough and continues to not play hard for him. Add in the salary cap problems, poor special teams and injury epidemic which is a lock and its quite conceivable that the MLF Packers sink down to a last place team. In that case, perhaps Policy and Gute will finally make an overdue change.

Right now the Packers are a despirited franchise judging by their lack of mental toughness. The annual Special teams mess, injury epidemic and cap constraints all point towards losing sessons with MLF at the helm.

 

[adambr2]

Supposedly a large factor in Harbaugh's departure was that he was told he needed to find new coordinators and he wasn't willing to do so. IMO that should be part of the stipulations to continue with LaFleur - special teams continues to suck and the offense falls apart late, so you're going to need to find a new ST coordinator and a new OC who can manage the second half adequately, or you're gone. Although at this point I'm not entirely sure I'd really trust LaFleur to pick the right guy(s) to fill those positions, either.

He has had one handpicked coordinator hire in his tenure (Hafley) that wasn’t a complete failure.

So yeah, there’s absolutely no reason to think he suddenly knows how to assemble a competent supporting staff.

 

[JoePack]

On 1 of the sports shows this am they all basically said how great MLF is as a coach and how great the GB job is. Sounds more like they want him to stay put so GB can continue doing much of the same.
I'm sorry, but when the coach keeps making the same mistakes time after time it's time to go. Pretty sure organization's don't allow players that keep making the same mistakes to get a bigger contract.

 

[Magooch]

I can understand feeling like "there's nobody guaranteed to be better out there" or "the next guy could be worse," but again, this was the case when we moved on from McCarthy, too. Nobody thought the Titans OC was going to come in and be an immediate smash hit. Not knowing yet who to hire next is not an excuse for extending with the current guy.

And as I've said many times before, I don't think Matt is a bad coach. I think he does a lot of things well, but I also think we have already seen his ceiling with us. I mean, at this point we have 7 years of first-hand "tape" on him. How can anyone look at all of that and still reasonably expect that he will improve beyond what we have already seen? It's not even so much that I think he lacks the "X's and O's" capacity to do better but rather that it just seems to be hard-wired into his DNA. I mean, the guy reverts to the same tendencies with an injury-ridden 9-8 team with Love at QB as he did with a 13-win team with an MVP-winning Rodgers at the helm. It's just who he is. It's like asking (and expecting) a lifelong introvert to suddenly switch to being an extrovert. You might be able to develop those traits some more and stretch your comfort zone but at the end of the day you'll always go back to your "wiring".

So ultimately I still find myself feeling the same as I said months ago in this thread: We pretty much find ourselves in purgatory. LaFleur and Gute are always going to be able to put together and coach a team that is relevant or competitive, broadly speaking. And they will almost always clear the minimum expectation, which seems to basically be just making the playoffs. They won't be consistently bad enough or regularly failing to meet that expectation so as to get fired, but I don't see this pairing ever rising above the level we have already seen, either.

 

[Pkrjones]

Gute & MLF are on the same level, with both reporting directly to Policy. This "fear of not finding a better coach" is the same BS that MLF operates under, playing to not lose. Nobody in the Packer hierarchy has any cajones... let's continue to play it safe and enjoy above-mediocre results.

I'm done wasting time on the Packers if/when MLF gets extended. Might as well schedule every Sunday afternoon to repeatedly punch myself in the nuts... same feeling, less time involved.

 

[Snoops]

On 1 of the sports shows this am they all basically said how great MLF is as a coach and how great the GB job is. Sounds more like they want him to stay put so GB can continue doing much of the same.
I'm sorry, but when the coach keeps making the same mistakes time after time it's time to go. Pretty sure organization's don't allow players that keep making the same mistakes to get a bigger contract.

I mean true to a good portion of that but Green Bay has paid players that don’t deserve a ext and have let players go that deserve one

 

[rmontro]

And as I've said many times before, I don't think Matt is a bad coach. I think he does a lot of things well, but I also think we have already seen his ceiling with us.

That's the bottom line, I think.

 

[adambr2]

The real cherry on top slap in the face to fans is when he becomes the highest paid coach in the NFL when this is announced.

 

[AGreen2AJones]

That's the bottom line, I think.

This...

He's not horrific in game prep. But he's awful in game manager. He will get out coached by anybody decent

 

[JoePack]

I would preface that with "the 1st half only"

 

[Wayne G]

The Packers are notorious cheap skates when it comes to their coaching staff.
Everyone is wanting Lafluer to be fired (me included) and John Hatbaugh to replace him. However, Packers would NEVER pay that type of money!
The ONLY way they move on from Lafluer is if he wants too much money. Then they would hire another cheap coach.....
They want to win....but not enough to pay for it!

 

[gopkrs]

This...

He's not horrific in game prep. But he's awful in game manager. He will get out coached by anybody decent

He's not a good play caller. He has these set ideas imho, and is going to do it come hell or high water. Whether or not we are good at those plays. And as said, is awful with time outs.

 

[rmontro]

I just realized the Packers last win was the last time we beat the Bears. I want to point out we collapsed in that game too, but Nixon's last minute interception won it.

 

[Snoops]

The Packers are notorious cheap skates when it comes to their coaching staff.
Everyone is wanting Lafluer to be fired (me included) and John Hatbaugh to replace him. However, Packers would NEVER pay that type of money!
The ONLY way they move on from Lafluer is if he wants too much money. Then they would hire another cheap coach.....
They want to win....but not enough to pay for it!

Then they bamboozle us with a piece of paper saying we are owners and the only right we have is to vote for the board of directors and they are all rich business owners that know nothing about football lmaooooo
If we are “owners” they should have a fan in the board of directors. We should start a movement until they open up a seat. Show they really care instead of taking advantage of us fans. Which is the truth in the matter it’s all a scam and they play off it lol
I will volunteer for the position.
I’ll Probly get booted out after a few days because they won’t like what i say so I’ll need a running mate to take my spot right after

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

There is no stat to look up you witness it every game he burns the most unnecessary Timeouts in the history of the NFL yes you see him panic on the sideline before he does it. Don’t be in denial you are right lol

I wanted to give your post a thumbs up, a laugh and a love....so here it is

I hope I don't run out of emoji's on here or can I only use 3 a post?

 

[Snoops]

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Mind you she is on the Board of Directors. Katherine Burgess Run wild with the comments lmaoooo

 

[Snoops]

I wanted to give your post a thumbs up, a laugh and a love....so here it is

I hope I don't run out of emoji's on here or can I only use 3 a post?

lol good stuff man!!! My buddy have been talking years about this topic lmao

 

[gopkrs]

Is that you in drag?