Fire Matt LaFleur

How many wins does MLF need to keep his job?

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  • He shouldn’t be fired this year no matter what

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Well you could say that about Brock Purdy. I’d even throw in Tom Brady. Draft placement does not determine a players career success.

Stack didn’t suit up for 59 games for the Georgia Bulldogs if he’s that bad, there’s a need for that Gap Plugger block eater.
Packers are desperate for a big run plugger. They just don't think it's Stackhouse. He got some playing time earlier in the season but has been benched in favor of Brinson, Riley and anybody else.

I would give him more playing time. He can't be any worse than what the Packers trotted out there Saturday night.
 
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The Packers are relevant every year.
I’d take that as a superior compliment. Very few teams are “relevant” every year. Just in MLF time as a HC he’s qualified for Postseason 6 out of 7 times. 3 NFC appearances 2 Divisional appearances and 1 Wildcard
Bested by
2 SB Winners
3 SB contenders
1 NFC contender
 

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I’d take that as a superior compliment. Very few teams are “relevant” every year. Just in MLF time as a HC he’s qualified for Postseason 6 out of 7 times. 3 NFC appearances 2 Divisional appearances and 1 Wildcard
Bested by
2 SB Winners
3 SB contenders
1 NFC contender
I’ll be honest, I think I’d settle for some down years if it meant being a real contender on the other end. We’re relevant every year, but not usually a “real” contender.

Look at New England. They were an absolute dumpster fire as recently as last year, found some young talent, found their franchise quarterback, and now they’re elite again.

Why are we never comparing ourselves to organizations like that? Why can’t we be the 49ers, or the Eagles ? Why are we always pointing to dumpster fires like the Browns and Jets and saying “hey! At least we aren’t them!”
 

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Stackhouse might have shown something in camp but in games where it counted, he played his way off the roster. As soon as Wyatt went down, the Packers scrambled to pick up anybody available rather than give Stackhouse playing time. He's an UDFA for a reason. Every team in the NFL including the Packers didn't want him in the draft.

Willie Wood wasn't even drafted at a time when the draft had 20 rounds. Just sayin'
 

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I have my doubts about MLF, but I think MLF gets an extension after this season and Gute gets the pink slip. Ed Policy picks the next GM and that GM will decide MLF's fate in the next 2-4 years.
You think MLF deserves another 2-4 years?! Look, I'm not one to make knee-jerk reactions with coaches, but this year he has repeatedly shown no ability to make critical decisions and no ability to learn by his mistakes. His absolutely STUPID decision to run yet another failed inside zone run from the shotgun when we literally needed and inch or two, just put it over the top for me. He has repeatedly run that play at least half a dozen times in similar situations with absolute zero success. On top of that, he should have punted the ball anyway. His stubborn doggedness to run that play come hell or high water is borderline pathological. Even my 12 year old niece knew what MLF was going to do on that play before they even broke the huddle. It was probably the single most bone-headed play call of his career and everyone saw it coming. My patience is long-suffering but not infinite and he has finally exhausted mine. Oh, and I'm also tired of having a coach who looks like he's about to cry all the time.
 

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I’ll be honest, I think I’d settle for some down years if it meant being a real contender on the other end. We’re relevant every year, but not usually a “real” contender.

We were absolutely real contenders this year. But you can only lose so many of your top 10 players before you're done. Every year there are 5 or 6 teams who legitimately have a shot at winning it all. Usually, the one fortunate enough to have the fewest significant injuries ends up being that team. It's not enough to be good. You also have to be lucky on the injury report.
 

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Willie Wood wasn't even drafted at a time when the draft had 20 rounds. Just sayin'
He had to write a letter to Coach Lombardi for a tryout. Lombardi was impressed because he was teaching math and science in school which Lombardi once did.
 

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We were absolutely real contenders this year. But you can only lose so many of your top 10 players before you're done. Every year there are 5 or 6 teams who legitimately have a shot at winning it all. Usually, the one fortunate enough to have the fewest significant injuries ends up being that team. It's not enough to be good. You also have to be lucky on the injury report.
You think the 49ers haven’t had major injuries? Nick Bosa? Purdy missed a ton of time. Aiyuk hasn’t even played.

They lose Kittle tonight, again, and don’t miss a beat, and put up 42 points. You think Kittle isn’t at least as important to their offense as Tyler Kraft is to ours?

Oh yeah, they lost Trent Williams tonight too for almost the entire game.

That’s the difference between us and well-coached teams with deep 53 man rosters. They aren’t just screwed when some key guys go down.
 

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You think the 49ers haven’t had major injuries? Nick Bosa? Purdy missed a ton of time. Aiyuk hasn’t even played.

They lose Kittle tonight, again, and don’t miss a beat, and put up 42 points. You think Kittle isn’t at least as important to their offense as Tyler Kraft is to ours?

Oh yeah, they lost Trent Williams tonight too for almost the entire game.

That’s the difference between us and well-coached teams with deep 53 man rosters. They aren’t just screwed when some key guys go down.
Not much difference at all. They beat the Bears by the skin of their teeth and we lost to them by the skin of ours. Both games could have gone either way down the stretch.
 

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3 playoff wins in 6 years!!! pathetic
Clearly one would want more. But 3 is “pathetic”? (Commence with the barstool chest beating about “I have higher standards”… bro … we are observers… you can want all you want … NOT a huge MLF fan, but this team has been consistently GOOD, and consistently competitive.
 
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Look at New England. They were an absolute dumpster fire as recently as last year, found some young talent, found their franchise quarterback, and now they’re elite again.
I did just that. I scored New England since Matt LaFleur became a HC because this is a Matt LaFleur thread, not a Super Bowl history thread. The Patriots have been historical, but not recently.

I went back and did my own calculations on success rates since 2019 when Matt became a HC

I weighted each Postseason contest and with each advancing level I doubled the points.
Wildcard
1pt Loser
2pt Winner

Divisional
2Pt Loser
4pt Winner

Conference game
4pt Loser
8pt Winner

Super Bowl
8pt Loser
16pt Winner

I had no idea how this would fall other than I knew we lost quite a few postseason games. Success rates into Postseason since MLF became a HC are as follows

#1. Chiefs 110pts
#2. 49ers 56pts
#3 Bucs 41pts
#4 Eagles 31pts
#5 Rams 29pts
#6 Bills 27pts
#7 Ravens 23pts
#8 Packers 22pts (tied Bengals)
#10 Lions 14pts

Jets,Jax,Giants,Panthers,Falcons finished with 0 appearances

The 49ers, Bucs, Eagles are the “near Elite” behind the Tier1 Chiefs.

Tier 3 teams are the Rams, Bills, Ravens, Packers, Bengals.

* your pick of New England had …
2 points for a pair of Wildcard lossed by a combined -37 point differential
or #24 ranked Postseason success rated
 
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I did just that. I scored New England since Matt LaFleur became a HC because this is a Matt LaFleur thread, not a Super Bowl history thread. The Patriots have been historical, but not recently.

I went back and did my own calculations on success rates since 2019 when Matt became a HC

I weighted each Postseason contest and with each advancing level I doubled the points.
Wildcard
1pt Loser
2pt Winner

Divisional
2Pt Loser
4pt Winner

Conference game
4pt Loser
8pt Winner

Super Bowl
8pt Loser
16pt Winner

I had no idea how this would fall other than I knew we lost quite a few postseason games. Success rates into Postseason since MLF became a HC are as follows

#1. Chiefs 110pts
#2. 49ers 56pts
#3 Bucs 41pts
#4 Eagles 31pts
#5 Rams 29pts
#6 Bills 27pts
#7 Ravens 23pts
#8 Packers 22pts (tied Bengals)
#10 Lions 14pts

Jets,Jax,Giants,Panthers,Falcons finished with 0 appearances

The 49ers, Bucs, Eagles are the “near Elite” behind the Tier1 Chiefs.

Tier 3 teams are the Rams, Bills, Ravens, Packers, Bengals.

* your pick of New England had …
2 points or #24 ranked Postseason success rated
Interesting. So we are 8th out of 32. I’ve said for years now it’s about getting hot and being healthy come tournament time. This year we are neither. Can we use this last game to get as healthy as possible? - AND get things on track on both sides of the ball? That’s my expectation. Injuries hit EVERY team and I normally don’t give any mercy for that. Love doesnt get knocked out against Chicago we win that game. (Doubs doesn’t F up the onsides kick we win that game). Ravens game we were PHYSICALLY beaten - period. The number and caliber and CONCENTRATION of losses to injury this year HAVE cost us. Not having adequate depth especially on DEFENSE has cost us. Gametime execution and play calling have cost us. Those last 2 areas are correctible. If we play our best football of the year with the players we have on hand we can win our first playoff game. That should be the focus. That is THE MISSION.
 
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They lose Kittle tonight, again, and don’t miss a beat, and put up 42 points. You think Kittle isn’t at least as important to their offense as Tyler Kraft is to ours?
I noticed you conveniently used only their good plays. The 49ers DEFENSE also allowed 38 points to the Bears AT HOME. Does that sound like a team not affected by losses like Bosa?

GB allowed 21 and 22 points to Chicago in Week 14,16
So comparatively The Packers allowed less points in Regulation to Chicago in BOTH games (weeks 14 and 16) combined (37 pts) than San Fran did tonight alone (38pts).
 
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Interesting. So we are 8th out of 32. I’ve said for years now it’s about getting hot and being healthy come tournament time. This year we are neither. Can we use this last game to get as healthy as possible? - AND get things on track on both sides of the ball? That’s my expectation. Injuries hit EVERY team and I normally don’t give any mercy for that. Love doesnt get knocked out against Chicago we win that game. (Doubs doesn’t F up the onsides kick we win that game). Ravens game we were PHYSICALLY beaten - period. The number and caliber and CONCENTRATION of losses to injury this year HAVE cost us. Not having adequate depth especially on DEFENSE has cost us. Gametime execution and play calling have cost us. Those last 2 areas are correctible. If we play our best football of the year with the players we have on hand we can win our first playoff game. That should be the focus. That is THE MISSION.
Yes. I just don’t like using 1 game to declare drastic proclamations. I get the frustration and I’m keenly aware of our Run D issues. However we do have 2 weeks and I’m guessing we’ll be net+ in getting a DT or 2 thrown in the mix. I’m actually more concerned with our own consistency in NOT winning turnover margin and making critical end of game errors.

In each of the last 3 losses we’ve lost the turnover margin -negative.

The last game we broke even or + was Chicago at net even and we Won

That doesn’t even account for 4th down conversions. We lost 1 on 4th n inches this week and another on 4th n 1 from the opponent 7 yard line. Those are point swings you can’t gift a good opponent like a Chicago or Denver or Baltimore.
 
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Willie Wood wasn't even drafted at a time when the draft had 20 rounds. Just sayin'
True, but most UDFA players do wash out. For every Willie Wood or a Sam Shields. There are dozens if not hundreds of guys that hang on practice squads but never really develop.

If Stackhouse was on the Wood-Shields course, he may have already shown some real flashes of dominance. While he will probably still develop and be a valuable depth player, expecting anything more isn't realistic.

The draft had many more rounds when there were only 12 or 14 teams in the NFL. Today's late 6th or 7th round player is taken at a similar spot as guys who went in rounds 15-20 back in the day.
 

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Couldn’t find a thread for this, so I’m starting one. The team looks so unprepared and undisciplined, and that’s on the coaching staff. I’m not saying he should be fired, but given our recent performance, I suspect we will hear more in this vein soon. So it’s worth having a thread.
I think the graphic tell was in his post game conference LeFleur said about the defense: “I don’t know..I’ll have to look at the game film to see if we had our guys in the right places.” ANYBODY who watched the game except obviously him knows that answer. Over 300 yards rushing allowed?? Time for Matt and Gute to go.
 

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True, but most UDFA players do wash out. For every Willie Wood or a Sam Shields. There are dozens if not hundreds of guys that hang on practice squads but never really develop.

If Stackhouse was on the Wood-Shields course, he may have already shown some real flashes of dominance. While he will probably still develop and be a valuable depth player, expecting anything more isn't realistic.
And that's really all you expect from a UDFA, a decent depth player. And we need some of that right now at his position. Put him out there next week. It can't hurt. The game means nothing anyway. Let him get his sea legs and see what he can do.
 

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Maybe most of the above. But this is still a young team. Unlike veteran teams the players lose confidence after an earth shattering defeat like the previous week. They have to put that behind them and that is when the coach earns his salary. The injuries hurt but the illness bug in the locker impacted the practices and the game plan.
The problem is the Coach MLF is not earning his salary , most of the time he does not get his team ready for big games, in big games that count he gets out coached , in my opinion he is not a coach that will get the Packers to the SB
 

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You think the 49ers haven’t had major injuries? Nick Bosa? Purdy missed a ton of time. Aiyuk hasn’t even played.

They lose Kittle tonight, again, and don’t miss a beat, and put up 42 points. You think Kittle isn’t at least as important to their offense as Tyler Kraft is to ours?

Oh yeah, they lost Trent Williams tonight too for almost the entire game.

That’s the difference between us and well-coached teams with deep 53 man rosters. They aren’t just screwed when some key guys go down.
And recall names like Fred Warner and a guy named Deebo.
 

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I think the graphic tell was in his post game conference LeFleur said about the defense: “I don’t know..I’ll have to look at the game film to see if we had our guys in the right places.” ANYBODY who watched the game except obviously him knows that answer. Over 300 yards rushing allowed?? Time for Matt and Gute to go.
over 300 hundred yards running and MLF says ill have to look and see if we had our guys in the right places, everybody knows Henry is a heck of a runner , MLF could not see before the game if he had the right guys to deal with Henry, shows MLF lack of getting prepared for an important game
 

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over 300 hundred yards running and MLF says ill have to look and see if we had our guys in the right places, everybody knows Henry is a heck of a runner , MLF could not see before the game if he had the right guys to deal with Henry, shows MLF lack of getting prepared for an important game

You're misunderstanding his point. You get beat essentially in three ways:

- The other team flat beat you. You were in the right spot, had right technique, hustle a non-issue and just got beat for whatever reason.
- You were out of position and didn't practice sound football. Cannot make a play if you're not in the proper place to make it. This can be on the player or the alignment call each rep.
- Hustle and heart were left back in the lockeroom

Tape illustrates which is the reason on every single play.

NO coach knows if his team has the ability to handle a guy like Henry any given Sunday...I mean dude is one of the best RBs we've seen in the last two/three decades. However, I guarantee you one of those three, maybe multiple happened every time he busted one - some can be coached, studied...sometimes you flat lose a rep.
 

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over 300 hundred yards running and MLF says ill have to look and see if we had our guys in the right places, everybody knows Henry is a heck of a runner , MLF could not see before the game if he had the right guys to deal with Henry, shows MLF lack of getting prepared for an important game
Henry never put up numbers like that against us when he was with the Titans. And that was with a lesser defense.
 

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The Packers are relevant every year.

But they’re no longer feared, at all.

Take that however you will. It’s a consistent, relevant franchise. If you find value in that, that’s fine.

But they aren’t a serious Super Bowl contender without a lot of lucky things happening anymore than the Pittsburgh Steelers are. It’s a similar franchise.
I can agree with this. Maybe a franchise needs to hit rock bottom sometimes, and build it back up with some high draft picks. Tomlin is the longest tenured coach in the league, makes the Playoffs almost every year, which helps/allows him to keep his job.
 

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I did just that. I scored New England since Matt LaFleur became a HC because this is a Matt LaFleur thread, not a Super Bowl history thread. The Patriots have been historical, but not recently.

I went back and did my own calculations on success rates since 2019 when Matt became a HC

I weighted each Postseason contest and with each advancing level I doubled the points.
Wildcard
1pt Loser
2pt Winner

Divisional
2Pt Loser
4pt Winner

Conference game
4pt Loser
8pt Winner

Super Bowl
8pt Loser
16pt Winner

I had no idea how this would fall other than I knew we lost quite a few postseason games. Success rates into Postseason since MLF became a HC are as follows

#1. Chiefs 110pts
#2. 49ers 56pts
#3 Bucs 41pts
#4 Eagles 31pts
#5 Rams 29pts
#6 Bills 27pts
#7 Ravens 23pts
#8 Packers 22pts (tied Bengals)
#10 Lions 14pts

Jets,Jax,Giants,Panthers,Falcons finished with 0 appearances

The 49ers, Bucs, Eagles are the “near Elite” behind the Tier1 Chiefs.

Tier 3 teams are the Rams, Bills, Ravens, Packers, Bengals.

* your pick of New England had …
2 points for a pair of Wildcard lossed by a combined -37 point differential
or #24 ranked Postseason success rated
It’s easy to come up with convenient looking data when you use cutoffs that support your narrative.

Of course your cutoff came right after the Patriots won the Super Bowl and included their rebuilding years, which I already said I would deal with some rebuilding years here to come out stronger in the end and not be a perennial 7 seed.

You could have also used the post Aaron Rodgers era (which others say is basically when the MLF era really begins).

But then we’d have 4 points, not 22, which wouldn’t support the narrative.
 
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