Fire Matt LaFleur

[rmontro]

Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco... probably Doug Williams... Jim McMahon... Nick Foles... I think it's happened more times than we realized.

That's only eight out of 59 Super Bowls though.

 

[Heyjoe4]

The only reason I could possibly think of why Stackhouse is not playing if healthy is that he isn't very good.

It's weird he isn't playing. I thought he had a great camp as an UDFA. There has been a case of the flu making its way through the team. I dunno......

 

[Heyjoe4]

Jeff Hostetler, Jim Plunkett, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Joe Flacco... probably Doug Williams... Jim McMahon... Nick Foles... I think it's happened more times than we realized.

That's a pretty good list. for the most part, they were one team wonders (Flacco, Foles, maybe Williams) or they were on teams that won in other ways, mostly D (McMahon, Dilfer).

 

[Sanguine camper]

It's weird he isn't playing. I thought he had a great camp as an UDFA. There has been a case of the flu making its way through the team. I dunno......

Stackhouse might have shown something in camp but in games where it counted, he played his way off the roster. As soon as Wyatt went down, the Packers scrambled to pick up anybody available rather than give Stackhouse playing time. He's an UDFA for a reason. Every team in the NFL including the Packers didn't want him in the draft.

 

[DoURant]

That's a pretty good list. for the most part, they were one team wonders (Flacco, Foles, maybe Williams) or they were on teams that won in other ways, mostly D (McMahon, Dilfer).

As the old saying goes...Defense wins Championships! Any QB in the NFL can win (guide) their team to victory, if their Defense plays elite.

 

[adambr2]

The Packers now have the longest drought since a division championship of any team in the NFC North.

The standard continues to drop.

Matt can thank his lucky stars that the NFL added the 7th playoff team just in time to help mask how bad this run has really been the last few years.

 

[tynimiller]

The Packers now have the longest drought since a division championship of any team in the NFC North.

The standard continues to drop.

Matt can thank his lucky stars that the NFL added the 7th playoff team just in time to help mask how bad this run has really been the last few years.

lol that division stat is funny because the North has changed hands a ton last six years

 

[Half Empty]

lol that division stat is funny because the North has changed hands a ton last six years

4 out of 5 years, different champ

 

[tynimiller]

4 out of 5 years, different champ

Yup….but let’s present it like some massive drought… such a foolishness way of presenting it like Adam did.

 

[DABIGZ]

Yup….but let’s present it like some massive drought… such a foolishness way of presenting it like Adam did.

But… it still has been that long, though, right? I mean it’s a fair point to bring up.

 

[tynimiller]

But… it still has been that long, though, right? I mean it’s a fair point to bring up.

2021. Less than four seasons have even passed.

It also isn’t like we’ve been bottom dwellers during that time frame.

It isn’t easy to win in the NFL at all.

 

[DoURant]

2021. Less than four seasons have even passed.

It also isn’t like we’ve been bottom dwellers during that time frame.

It isn’t easy to win in the NFL at all.

In that timeframe (2021-present), playoff appearances.
Packers, 4 ( 1 Division Title, 3 WC)
Vikings, 2 ( 1 Division Title, 1 WC)
Lions, 2 (Both Division Titles)
Bears, 1 (Division Title this year)

No Super Bowl champs from the North in any of these seasons, or for that matter since we won it in 2010.

You are absolutely right, Tyni... it's isn't easy to win in the NFL, and it's even harder when your team doesn't play a complete game in all 3 aspects.

 

[Catamount1971]

Are these results by MLF worthy of an extension? Settling for the playoffs and then losing because of mistakes and lack of execution gets old. There is a coach in North Carolina that might want to come back to the NFL.

 

[tynimiller]

Are these results by MLF worthy of an extension? Settling for the playoffs and then losing because of mistakes and lack of execution gets old. There is a coach in North Carolina that might want to come back to the NFL.

Oh God no, Bill was amazing but there are times and places which past everyone.

 

[AKCheese]

Are these results by MLF worthy of an extension? Settling for the playoffs and then losing because of mistakes and lack of execution gets old. There is a coach in North Carolina that might want to come back to the NFL.

I don’t think he could pass a physical

 

[adambr2]

lol that division stat is funny because the North has changed hands a ton last six years

Yes. And it used to be a division predominantly dominated by the Packers.

 

[Packers4ever]

The game yesterday was an embarrassment, either MLF did not prepared the team properly (which has been happening alot) or the team has lost respect for him which is a high possibility
The offense score 24 points that should be enough to win any game, I know parsons is hurt but the defense is not a one man deal
horrible loss , you have to wander if the Packers gave the big bucks to the wrong QB , Malik can hurt you with the passing and run, Love can not run , Love has done good but is over rated so far
The loss stops with the HC , he is in charge of everything , like i mentioned before MLF has to go and he got out coached by a proven leader in John Harbaugh , i love the Packers but playing the second seed on the road is a tough task and MLF will not be ready for it , MLF losses big games all the time , like yesterday again , Policy should not extend MLF contract ,or fire the guy ,maybe move from Gute too, for keeping MLF around this long, which is the Packers issues for a while now , keeping coaches around too long

 

[Packers4ever]

Any individual game can go wrong due to bad breaks. When that becomes a pattern, however, then you need to question just how well prepared the team is for higher intensity playoff football. When the Packers lose, they frequently make a series of mental mistakes by both players and coaches.

It isn't even that simple because the team also gets whipped on the LOS when they underperform. The 2020 NFCCG is an example. They got physically beat as well as the horrid mental mistakes.

I would still say the common denominator in most of their losses is a series of stupid mental mistakes. It just shows how unprepared they are for big games.

Correct and that falls on the HC

 

[NC_Cheese_Fan_100]

I have my doubts about MLF, but I think MLF gets an extension after this season and Gute gets the pink slip. Ed Policy picks the next GM and that GM will decide MLF's fate in the next 2-4 years.

After GB traded Kenny Clark to Dallas for Parsons (on the heels of TJ Slaton signing with Cincinnati), the DT spot became an immediate liability with only one proven DT on the team. Gute should have immediately sought a veteran DT even if it meant a trade. Yesterday we saw the consequences of Gute's failure to act. I get that Gute's job is hard, the Packers have had 2 top 10 draft picks in the last 20 years. But, he's missed on so many picks over the last few years that I think Policy lets someone else have a shot at the job. It's probably easier right now to replace the GM than en entire coaching staff.

So next year, MLF gets to start over with a new GM and the Packers see what he can do with different personnel decisions.

 

[milani]

It's weird he isn't playing. I thought he had a great camp as an UDFA. There has been a case of the flu making its way through the team. I dunno......

I heard he was one of the sick ones. Maybe next week.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I have my doubts about MLF, but I think MLF gets an extension after this season and Gute gets the pink slip. Ed Policy picks the next GM and that GM will decide MLF's fate in the next 2-4 years.

After GB traded Kenny Clark to Dallas for Parsons (on the heels of TJ Slaton signing with Cincinnati), the DT spot became an immediate liability with only one proven DT on the team. Gute should have immediately sought a veteran DT even if it meant a trade. Yesterday we saw the consequences of Gute's failure to act. I get that Gute's job is hard, the Packers have had 2 top 10 draft picks in the last 20 years. But, he's missed on so many picks over the last few years that I think Policy lets someone else have a shot at the job. It's probably easier right now to replace the GM than en entire coaching staff.

So next year, MLF gets to start over with a new GM and the Packers see what he can do with different personnel decisions.

I would say that MLF has let Gute down more than he's let MLF down. The team has had some holes due to too many first round busts, but the roster is still very talented because Gute strikes it rich quite often in the lower rounds, trades and free agency.

Two areas where the Packers sink is in quality of their assistant coaches and in training/medical staff. Is that on Gute or MLF? Hard to know from the outside.

I think Gute deserves a short extention where he can find another HC and see if it pans out. If not, Policy can decide to clean house.

 

[milani]

The game yesterday was an embarrassment, either MLF did not prepared the team properly (which has been happening alot) or the team has lost respect for him which is a high possibility
The offense score 24 points that should be enough to win any game, I know parsons is hurt but the defense is not a one man deal
horrible loss , you have to wander if the Packers gave the big bucks to the wrong QB , Malik can hurt you with the passing and run, Love can not run , Love has done good but is over rated so far
The loss stops with the HC , he is in charge of everything , like i mentioned before MLF has to go and he got out coached by a proven leader in John Harbaugh , i love the Packers but playing the second seed on the road is a tough task and MLF will not be ready for it , MLF losses big games all the time , like yesterday again , Policy should not extend MLF contract ,or fire the guy ,maybe move from Gute too, for keeping MLF around this long, which is the Packers issues for a while now , keeping coaches around too long

Maybe most of the above. But this is still a young team. Unlike veteran teams the players lose confidence after an earth shattering defeat like the previous week. They have to put that behind them and that is when the coach earns his salary. The injuries hurt but the illness bug in the locker impacted the practices and the game plan.

 

[Thirteen Below]

Oh God no, Bill was amazing but there are times and places which past everyone.

Additionally, I question whether he'd be willing to come back to the NFL without de facto GM powers.

 

[OldSchool101]

Stackhouse might have shown something in camp but in games where it counted, he played his way off the roster. As soon as Wyatt went down, the Packers scrambled to pick up anybody available rather than give Stackhouse playing time. He's an UDFA for a reason. Every team in the NFL including the Packers didn't want him in the draft.

Well you could say that about Brock Purdy. I’d even throw in Tom Brady. Draft placement does not determine a players career success.

Stack didn’t suit up for 59 games for the Georgia Bulldogs if he’s that bad, there’s a need for that Gap Plugger block eater. That said he’s a Rookie and he’s pretty raw, you’d probably go with experience over raw and Riley clearly had more experience

 

[adambr2]

The Packers are relevant every year.

But they’re no longer feared, at all.

Take that however you will. It’s a consistent, relevant franchise. If you find value in that, that’s fine.

But they aren’t a serious Super Bowl contender without a lot of lucky things happening anymore than the Pittsburgh Steelers are. It’s a similar franchise.