Fire Matt LaFleur

[milani]

If the Packers come out flat tonight who can blame them. Certainly losing Parsons is hugely deflating. Are the Bears a big enough 'rivalry' to lift the team's spirits? Maybe but if not, I won't be surprised. When Rodgers went out with collar bone injuries, the Packers struggled. Those were different players but a similar situation.

The Bears and Vikings, respectively, were the 2 teams that broke the collarbone in separate years.

 

[rmontro]

If the Packers come out flat tonight who can blame them. Certainly losing Parsons is hugely deflating. Are the Bears a big enough 'rivalry' to lift the team's spirits? Maybe but if not, I won't be surprised. When Rodgers went out with collar bone injuries, the Packers struggled. Those were different players but a similar situation.

On the other hand, the Packers lost last week. I expect them to bounce back. The Bears are formidable, but we aren't without resources ourselves.

 

[longtimefan]

Win with a back up

Fire the coach

 

[Sanguine camper]

4 trips to the red zone and 6 points. Not a good night for Matt's red zone coaching

 

[DoURant]

4 trips to the red zone and 6 points. Not a good night for Matt's red zone coaching

The fumble isn't his fault

 

[longtimefan]

I have said this many times… back up quarterback, and he finds a way to win with him.

Game still isn’t over but he has put Willis in the spot to win

 

[Sanguine camper]

Not one of MLF's best efforts. Red zone woes and a gutless 4th quarter collapse led by the special teams.

 

[longtimefan]

Not one of MLF's best efforts. Red zone woes and a gutless 4th quarter collapse led by the special teams.

Really

Wow

 

[Thirteen Below]

I think Lafleur did the best he could with the key injuries and a 2nd string quarterback against a very tough team and one of the best new head coaches in the NFL, in their house. He did a masterful job of designing plays around Willis, and putting him into a position to succeed.

I can't think of much he could have done better tonight, overall. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one who told Doubs to muff the kickoff.

 

[rmontro]

Well, at least the Bears will have to play the first place schedule next year. Most likely.

 

[Sanguine camper]

I think Lafleur did the best he could with the key injuries and a 2nd string quarterback against a very tough team and one of the best new head coaches in the NFL, in their house. He did a masterful job of designing plays around Willis, and putting him into a position to succeed.

I can't think of much he could have done better tonight, overall. I'm pretty sure he wasn't the one who told Doubs to muff the kickoff.

What about the putrid red zone offense? Seem to be missing that.

Special teams are always the problem in close games. Can't seem to ever fix that.

Responsibility and accountability have to go somewhere.

 

[mradtke66]

Responsibility and accountability have to go somewhere.

You can do everything right and still lose. You can make the optimal call and the defense can get the better of you.

You shouldn’t like losing, but looking for blame in an OT loss against a division rival, in their house, missing some of your best players on both sides of the ball sounds like sour grapes.

 

[milani]

I have said this many times… back up quarterback, and he finds a way to win with him.

Game still isn’t over but he has put Willis in the spot to win

And Willis even got banged up. Batching that 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 were costly.

 

[Magooch]

I think the Seattle loss was the final nail in the coffin for the McCarthy era. He stayed around longer of course, but we never really recovered from that. He lost the team IMO. Will this be that moment for LaFleur? Only saving grace is it wasn’t a playoff game but in terms of collapses that’s about as bad as I’ve seen from us.

 

[Sanguine camper]

You can do everything right and still lose. You can make the optimal call and the defense can get the better of you.

You shouldn’t like losing, but looking for blame in an OT loss against a division rival, in their house, missing some of your best players on both sides of the ball sounds like sour grapes.

It would be if it wasn't so habitual. The Packers under MLF underperform and choke in the biggest games. You can make excuses, but at some point and after so many chokes, somebody needs to be held accountable. Otherwise, the choking in big games will continue and happen again and again. It's the team culture. They're soft and unfocused.

 

[longtimefan]

It would be if it wasn't so habitual. The Packers under MLF underperform and choke in the biggest games. You can make excuses, but at some point and after so many chokes, somebody needs to be held accountable. Otherwise, the choking in big games will continue and happen again and again. It's the team culture. They're soft and unfocused.

So it’s a choke with

a back up qb play most of game

Best def player in NFL out

On the road

Bear's still deeded a gift from Doubs to win

You still wish to blame Matt

 

[milani]

I think the Seattle loss was the final nail in the coffin for the McCarthy era. He stayed around longer of course, but we never really recovered from that. He lost the team IMO. Will this be that moment for LaFleur? Only saving grace is it wasn’t a playoff game but in terms of collapses that’s about as bad as I’ve seen from us.

No, I do not believe so. We had the game won and blew it. I thought we had a small chance going into this one, but with a decimated team going in and an even more injured team once the game started I do not know how we held out to the end.

 

[mradtke66]

It would be if it wasn't so habitual. The Packers under MLF underperform and choke in the biggest games.

To be clear, it’s a choke to lose, in overtime, on the road, against your division rival, missing:

1. Your best offensive lineman
2. Your best defensive lineman
3. Your starting quarterback

That is your position? How many teams in the league make those games even competitive?

I’m not asking you to like the outcome, losing sucks. Sometimes you just lose.

 

[Sanguine camper]

So it’s a choke with

a back up qb play most of game

Best def player in NFL out

On the road

Bear's still deeded a gift from Doubs to win

You still wish to blame Matt

Their red zone offense was atrocious. Yes I blame Matt for that.

Their special teams fail at the worst times in big games. I blame Matt for sticking with failing coaches like Mo Drayton or Bisacchia too long. Special Teams ******** up isn't bad luck, it's bad coaching.

Packers get beat up and habitually have more injuries to key players. Part of the responsible for injuries lies with the HC and part on the GM. As I've posted before, there's no way all injuries are pure random bad luck. When players are leaving the organization to look for better medical care, they have a problem.

I'm not sure rhe Packers would've done any better with Love at QB. They weren't lighting it up when he was in there. I din't think Willis lost the game for the Packers. On the contrary, he's one of the few players on the team that I think is clutch.

 

[longtimefan]

Love was worse then Willis?

He was gone way before half time

 

[milani]

Their red zone offense was atrocious. Yes I blame Matt for that.

Their special teams fail at the worst times in big games. I blame Matt for sticking with failing coaches like Mo Drayton or Bisacchia too long. Special Teams ******** up isn't bad luck, it's bad coaching.

Packers get beat up and habitually have more injuries to key players. Part of the responsible for injuries lies with the HC and part on the GM. As I've posted before, there's no way all injuries are pure random bad luck. When players are leaving the organization to look for better medical care, they have a problem.

I'm not sure rhe Packers would've done any better with Love at QB. They weren't lighting it up when he was in there. I din't think Willis lost the game for the Packers. On the contrary, he's one of the few players on the team that I think is clutch.

The offensive line is not as strong as it was in WK 1. When teams stack it is usually Jacobs that drives the pile. Not so much our blocking. And he was doing it right down to the 3. If he does not get mugged by 4 Bears without the blocking to help him he probably scores in another play or two.

 

[Magooch]

I don’t know if Love was better/worse than Willis but I also don’t really think Love vs Willis would’ve been the difference maker for us in that game either. I mean we had a 99% win probability with Willis playing the majority of it.

 

[OldSchool101]

Imo. The pair of fumbles beat us. I think they get credit for that Jacobs fumble as they punched it. They’ve been doing that all year. They did it to Hurts on a Tush push. We just don’t take Their ability to create takeaways seriously. Just my opinion.

On the Teams fumble. If the ball is much as touches the sideline it’s game over. We didn’t learn this with Bostick either. Slap the ball towards sideline. Trying to recover it in bounds is dangerous imo. Knock it out if bounds who cares about losing -3 yards of field position. It’s all about acquiring possession, not style points. That ball could’ve been slapped out very easily and it’s Game over. Pretty bad when Ty Monthomery knows this but Rich doesn’t.

The only time you need to field the ball is if it’s nite than a few yards from sidelines. Center of field etc.

 

[mradtke66]

Their red zone offense was atrocious. Yes I blame Matt for that.

Ah, right because MLF called the Jacobs-fumble-the-ball play. What a poor choice.

Their special teams fail at the worst times in big games.

Ah, because Basicia told Doubs to dance around and not cover up the ball. Clearly a coaching decision.

I blame Matt for sticking with failing coaches like Mo Drayton or Bisacchia too long. Special Teams ******** up isn't bad luck, it's bad coaching

Ah, MLF lost the game of a special teams coach that has been off the team for years.

Packers get beat up and habitually have more injuries to key players. Part of the responsible for injuries lies with the HC and part on the GM. As I've posted before, there's no way all injuries are pure random bad luck.

Site a source that says otherwise. Or are you implying the 49ers, for example, have been impacted worse than we are.

When players are leaving the organization to look for better medical care, they have a problem.

Watson, I assume? Maybe you have something there, maybe not.

I'm not sure rhe Packers would've done any better with Love at QB. They weren't lighting it up when he was in there. I din't think Willis lost the game for the Packers. On the contrary, he's one of the few players on the team that I think is clutch.

Ah, and MLF get zero credit for pivoting on the fly and putting Willis on position to succeed. Gotcha.

 

[Magooch]

As I’ve said many times before I think Matt does a ton of things really, really well. He has a lot of good qualities and IMO unless he totally loses the locker room he will pretty much always have us as a playoff team or close to it. But I also think we’ve probably already hit our ceiling with him.

More and more I get the sense that Matt is a guy who could take a bad team and make them dangerous/competitive. And he could take a good team and make them into a very good team or perennial “contender”. But at this point I do not believe he is ever going to be the guy to push us over the top. Yes, there’s been plenty of positives, and our regular season record has been exceptional. But we’ve also had the same issues crop up year after year after year with him in charge, and little-to-no signs of that changing.

At this point I just don’t have any reason to believe we’ll ever be a team who plays sharp or disciplined football in high-pressure situations with LaFleur as the boss. I mean, could anybody point me to one piece of evidence or reason to believe that could be the case? I just don’t see it.

A lot of things he does right, he’s a likable and seemingly high-character guy but I’m just starting to feel like this one’s starting to look like it’s run its course.