Blame the offense?

[Oshkoshpackfan]

It continues to amaze me how how people can think one of the best offenses in the league does it with bad play calling.

The run game didn't work well last night. The passing game didn't work well either. Not much MM could have done.

Plus, Sherrod got beat bad on a 4th down and for a safety. Should we really have stopped running a lot when our LT was struggling mightily?

Ummm.... yes there is something he could have done, not be so dama vanilla. If they see a run over and over they can stop it, change up running schemes, change up runners sooner, different looks ...... worked for seattle. Seattle used Lynch, Turbin, and Harvin in multiple different running roles even had a combo on any 2 in the back field so we didnt know who was gunna get it. They out played and oout coached us simple as that. Do we have the tools to beat them, yes indeed we do, but not using any wont get you a win.

 

[easyk83]

Ummm.... yes there is something he could have done, not be so dama vanilla. If they see a run over and over they can stop it, change up running schemes, change up runners sooner, different looks ...... worked for seattle. Seattle used Lynch, Turbin, and Harvin in multiple different running roles even had a combo on any 2 in the back field so we didnt know who was gunna get it. They out played and oout coached us simple as that. Do we have the tools to beat them, yes indeed we do, but not using any wont get you a win.

Well it was going to be tough last night the way Guion and Jones were playing in the middle. Maybe later in the year we'll be at a level where we can beat them.

 

[Carl]

Well yeah except how many of our drives sputtered because Aaron just flat out missed an easy throw? I think the first drive died after some good initial movement after Aaron threw a wide receiver screen a yard behind Jordy Nelson and turned what would have likely been a 5 yard gain into a 2 yard loss. I counted 2 other drives where Aaron screwed up two easy throws and the Offense sputtered. Then of course there were his sideline jump balls that just didn't seem to have his usual touch. I'm not saying that Aaron was terrible last night but we do need him to outplay the other quarterback and let's face it Russell Wilson was the better player last night.

Okay. Rodgers was off. I'll agree to that.

Therefore, I'd say the offense was poor due to him being off, Bulaga out, and Seattle being that good.

We are on the same page as far as play calling not being the issue.

 

[easyk83]

Okay. Rodgers was off. I'll agree to that.

Therefore, I'd say the offense was poor due to him being off, Bulaga out, and Seattle being that good.

We are on the same page as far as play calling not being the issue.

Ok we're agreed. Don't mean to pile on Rodgers, but with his paycheck he has produce better and not miss easy throws. That being said we have to protect him better.

 

[Carl]

Ummm.... yes there is something he could have done, not be so dama vanilla. If they see a run over and over they can stop it, change up running schemes, change up runners sooner, different looks ...... worked for seattle. Seattle used Lynch, Turbin, and Harvin in multiple different running roles even had a combo on any 2 in the back field so we didnt know who was gunna get it. They out played and oout coached us simple as that. Do we have the tools to beat them, yes indeed we do, but not using any wont get you a win.

How do you know they weren't changing up schemes?

I saw stretches, tosses, draws, runs inside, outside, 3 in the back field, 2 in the backfield. It's not like they did the same thing over and over.

Seattle's run worked because their o-line pushed our defense around. There's nothing innovative about that.

Didn't really matter if we knew who was getting the ball as they'd get the yards anyway.

 

[Carl]

Ok we're agreed. Don't mean to pile on Rodgers, but with his paycheck he has produce better and not miss easy throws. That being said we have to protect him better.

Rodgers sums it up well too, “This is the Seattle Seahawks, a great defense,” Aaron Rodgers

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said when asked for a reason that would explain the Packers offense’s failures in Thursday’s 36-16 loss. “You don’t expect to move the ball on every drive, but you have to make the most of your opportunities.”

 

[Oshkoshpackfan]

How do you know they weren't changing up schemes?

I saw stretches, tosses, draws, runs inside, outside, 3 in the back field, 2 in the backfield. It's not like they did the same thing over and over.

Seattle's run worked because their o-line pushed our defense around. There's nothing innovative about that.

Didn't really matter if we knew who was getting the ball as they'd get the yards anyway.

Did you also happen to notice that when they stacked 8 guys in the box, we still ran the ball up the middle? Why? Why not change the play? What is the excuse for that madness? No matter who we had the runs were all basically the same up the guts or off tackle. Plain vanilla

 

[Carl]

Did you also happen to notice that when they stacked 8 guys in the box, we still ran the ball up the middle? Why? Why not change the play? What is the excuse for that madness? No matter who we had the runs were all basically the same up the guts or off tackle. Plain vanilla

As I just said, they did a lot more than just those two runs.

Any run called wouldn't have worked anyway when the line was not getting it done.

 

[longtimefan]

Did you also happen to notice that when they stacked 8 guys in the box, we still ran the ball up the middle? Why? Why not change the play? What is the excuse for that madness? No matter who we had the runs were all basically the same up the guts or off tackle. Plain vanilla

Isnt that on Rodgers to change the play?

 

[easyk83]

Well it was going to be tough last night the way Guion and Jones were playing in the middle. Maybe later in the year we'll be at a level where we can beat them.

Maybe is optimistic?

 

[fritothedog]

Rookie Center with no NFL game experience. Arguably the loudest stadium in the game (Rodgers and McCarthy both said they were going to go with more simple plays because of the noise). Both of these led to the offense sputtering. We were trying to get the tempo up but when Rodgers can't hit his receivers the hurry-up offense just doesn't work.

The game plan going in was to play "vanilla." It wasn't necessarily a bad idea considering the reasons. What bit us on that though is that once that is your game plan you are all but forced to stick with it. You can't hardly change that particular plan mid-game in that environment.

I do agree that the play calling needs to improve. Unfortunately, I think there were several good reasons not to try to force that mid-game last night. Hopefully we can get rolling next week and our offense will find its identity again.

 

[Oshkoshpackfan]

Isnt that on Rodgers to change the play?

Indeed, but you didnt see it happening. Crowd noise maybe? Plenty of plays should have been diagnosed AT THE LINE, but he failed to do so..... maybe because that hurry up crap didn't allow him to see what was coming being a such a hurry.

either way, the entire team played like ****

 

[Deleted member 6794]

Indeed, but you didnt see it happening. Crowd noise maybe? Plenty of plays should have been diagnosed AT THE LINE, but he failed to do so..... maybe because that hurry up crap didn't allow him to see what was coming being a such a hurry.

either way, the entire team played like ****

I think crowd noise and playing with Linsley for the first time in a game had something to do with it.

 

[wist43]

Our OL is almost always shaky to start the season... then Tretter goes down, then Bulaga...

When McCarthy came out against the Seahawks in the Fail Mary game, and passed, passed, and passed some more - our offensive line gave up 8 sacks in one half of football.

Give Seattle credit, they have an absolutely awesome defense... wish I had better news, but we simply are not in their league, and they proved it last night.

 

[pacmaniac]

When a team loses to another team, a good coach will make adjustments so they don't lose the next time they play that team. That explains how we have lost 4 straight times to the 9ers.

 

[Carl]

When a team loses to another team, a good coach will make adjustments so they don't lose the next time they play that team. That explains how we have lost 4 straight times to the 9ers.

That doesn't take into account at all some teams just having better players than others. Put Vince Lombardi on the Jaguars or Raiders and they'd still lose to the Seahawks every single time.

 

[Carl]

Our OL is almost always shaky to start the season... then Tretter goes down, then Bulaga...

When McCarthy came out against the Seahawks in the Fail Mary game, and passed, passed, and passed some more - our offensive line gave up 8 sacks in one half of football.

Give Seattle credit, they have an absolutely awesome defense... wish I had better news, but we simply are not in their league, and they proved it last night.

Good news is we have 16-18ish weeks to get better before a playoff meeting.

 

[D3uc3]

You can disagree with me all you want to but I would appreciate it if you had started or contributed to another thread on defense already.
This is for discussions about the offense and what was wrong with it.
Back to discussing ONLY the offense, please.
Thank you.

I never said I agree or disagree with u or ur response I spoke on a thread that was involving the team I am a fan of I could give two ***** about u or the thread honestly.
It amazes me that after as bad as the Packers just lost all u can post on is ****ing offense. DEFENSE KICKED OUR *** AND OUR DEFENSE CANT TACKLE.
BUT I CAN ALSO COMMENT ON THE OFFENSE ALSO AND HOW SHERROD GOT BLOWN OFF THE BALL ALL NIGHT, OR HOW AROD DIDNT EVEN ATTEMPT TO THROW AT SHERMAN HE CUT THE FIELD IN HALF, RODGER AND MM TOGETHER IM STARTING TO BELIEVE WILL NEVER BEAT SEATTLE OR SF!

 

[PackerfaninCarolina]

I will say one thing in regards to the offense, we need to get the TEs more involved again. TEs have been a big part of the offense over the years and need to be utilized more.

My concern is that Rodgers doesn't seem to have much confidence or like throwing to Quarless as he did with Finley. Now obviously Finley's height advantage and other athletic abilities would've been why Rodgers liked looking his way, but I really think if he's not going to be playing in Packer green, we gotta be looking for another TE this offseason to bring to Green Bay.

I mean just look at the Patriots offense. Whenever Gronkowski is playing and Brady is looking his way, he causes all kinds of matchup issues for any defense no matter how good they are. I'm wondering what the options are for that position coming into the 2015 draft are.

 

[D3uc3]

I expected a pretty vanilla offense with a rookie center. I think it will be fairly conservative until they feel Linsely/Sherrod are ready for more.

SHERROD needs to be let go ASAP he sucks period!

 

[D3uc3]

That doesn't take into account at all some teams just having better players than others. Put Vince Lombardi on the Jaguars or Raiders and they'd still lose to the Seahawks every single time.

The Packers have the specialist to overcome SF AND SEATTLE it's just our OLINE period A-Rod had no real pocket time

 

[Darth Garfunkel]

One thing that has always bugged me about this offense is watching Aaron dancing around in the pocket for 5 minutes looking deep when all they need is 3 yards for the first.

It puts too much pressure on the line especially if Sherrod plays for any length of time.

 

[Deleted member 6794]

SHERROD needs to be let go ASAP he sucks period!

We don't have another RT on the roster if Bulaga is out for some time.

 

[Carl]

The Packers have the specialist to overcome SF AND SEATTLE it's just our OLINE period A-Rod had no real pocket time

SHERROD needs to be let go ASAP he sucks period!

I never said I agree or disagree with u or ur response I spoke on a thread that was involving the team I am a fan of I could give two ***** about u or the thread honestly.
It amazes me that after as bad as the Packers just lost all u can post on is ******* offense. DEFENSE KICKED OUR *** AND OUR DEFENSE CANT TACKLE.
BUT I CAN ALSO COMMENT ON THE OFFENSE ALSO AND HOW SHERROD GOT BLOWN OFF THE BALL ALL NIGHT, OR HOW AROD DIDNT EVEN ATTEMPT TO THROW AT SHERMAN HE CUT THE FIELD IN HALF, RODGER AND MM TOGETHER IM STARTING TO BELIEVE WILL NEVER BEAT SEATTLE OR SF!

Do you think all caps make your points better?

 

[TJV]

Blame the offense? Certainly (along with the D and STs). IMO the blame on offense begins with number 12. In order to beat one of the best teams in the league, everything needs to be clicking on both sides of the ball and for the Packers it also means Rodgers has to be at his best, extremely accurate, self. He wasn’t. (BTW, it looked to me like Rodgers was at times changing plays at the LOS.) I think it was the second drive of the second half, on third and five Rodgers rolled to his left. It looked like he could have run and slid for a first down; instead he threw a pass way over Jordy’s head who was open next to the sideline. That just isn’t a normal Rodgers’ play.

In order to beat one of the best teams in the league you have to win the turnover battle. Giving up an INT near your goal line and giving up a safety are deadly.

In order to beat one of the best teams in the league you have to be able to run the ball. After his first three carries, Lacy was ineffective. I thought they should have run him more between the tackles rather than wide (because Seattle’s D is fast) but honestly I don’t think that would make much of a difference. Starks ran well late but mostly after the Seahawks had a 19-point lead.

In order to beat one of the best teams in the league you have play nearly error free. Of course that includes not committing penalties, particularly on plays which could have been crucial to the outcome.

Way below average play by Rodgers + losing Bulaga to injury + losing the TO battle + inability to run the ball + untimely penalties = what we saw.