Backup QB

[Pokerbrat2000]

On another topic, I was surprised Gluten didn't take a RB. There is no one on the current roster to replace Wilson. I haven't seen it mentioned a lot on the draft theads.

Marshawn Lloyd I believe will be Wilson's replacement. Let's hope he stays healthy. Chris Brooks is still on the roster as well.

 

[tynimiller]

I predict we nab Kyron Drones from Texas Tech in UDFA and we trade for Anthony Richardson after the draft or someone in the same trade scenario.

I almost listed this in the Amish draft thread lol should have

 

[Heyjoe4]

I almost listed this in the Amish draft thread lol should have

Richardson is an interesting backup candidate. I don't think he's as good, or maybe as mature, as Willis. But he's a big guy who can run. Behind a simple play book, he could be a great addition (who hopefully is never used!).

 

[Heyjoe4]

I just do not feel good about Ridder even though his mobility is terrific. I do not like Garopollo's immobility but he came from 2 winning organizations, NE and SF. And Flacco is no Fran Tarkenton but at his age he showed last year he can still get it done. So it says something for fossil fuel.

Fossil-Fuel Flacco! Has a ring to it! He's way up there in years, but other than mobility, his play still looks good. A beter option than Ridder, but with a very short career span left.......

 

[milani]

Richardson is an interesting backup candidate. I don't think he's as good, or maybe as mature, as Willis. But he's a big guy who can run. Behind a simple play book, he could be a great addition (who hopefully is never used!).

I believe Richardson wants to be a starter. We shall see.

 

[thequick12]

Hey quick, did either of these guys get drafted during rounds 2-7?

Payton drafted by the Eagles, Green by the Browns.

Cole Payton #178 5th Round

Taylen Green #182 6th Round

 

[thequick12]

Willis was the "perfect" backup candidate for the Packers. A guy with a lot of talent, decent game experience, but untapped. It turned out to be a totally savvy move by Gute and one I hope he repeats again soon. All Willis cost the Packers (besides salary) was a 7th round pick.

It is interesting to look at what Willis did while a Titan and what he did as a Packers. As you pointed out, he played in 11 games for each team and his stats were so much better while he was a Packer. Proof that being coached up and playing with a better team can make a player that much better.

I hope Willis thrives as a Dolphin. If he does, he will look back on being traded from the Titans to the Packers as possibly a move that saved his Football career.

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Unfortunately I dont think he will thrive as a dolphin. The quality of the players around him isnt gonna be nearly as good in Miami. I think he's one of those guys thats gonna end up being better as a backup

As for guys Gute could try to repeat tjis feat with...I think Anthony Richardson has to be at the top of the list

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I think Anthony Richardson has to be at the top of the list

It will cost the Packers something to make that happen. Richardson is still under contract with the Colts. His cap hit and dead cap hit are identical: $10,816,284. So if the Colts release him, they really don't gain anything but being able to split that dead cap hit over 2 seasons. What they lose in releasing him is a player with talent and could play as their backup, as well as a potential 2028 comp pick.

Also, Richardson might have a say as to where he goes. Maybe he wants to compete for a starting job, that isn't happening in GB. Now if he was smart, he would see what happened to Malik and urge the Colts to trade him for a 7th rounder to the Packers.

Unless Richardson is screaming and threatening not to play for the Colts, I just don't see a situation where they trade him for less than either a halfway decent player or a 2027 5th round or better pick. He's paid for and can be a solid backup for the Colts, that is worth a lot.

 

[thequick12]

It will cost the Packers something to make that happen. Richardson is still under contract with the Colts. His cap hit and dead cap hit are identical: $10,816,284. So if the Colts release him, they really don't gain anything but being able to split that dead cap hit over 2 seasons. What they lose in releasing him is a player with talent and could play as their backup, as well as a potential 2028 comp pick.

Also, Richardson might have a say as to where he goes. Maybe he wants to compete for a starting job, that isn't happening in GB. Now if he was smart, he would see what happened to Malik and urge the Colts to trade him for a 7th rounder to the Packers.

Unless Richardson is screaming and threatening not to play for the Colts, I just don't see a situation where they trade him for less than either a halfway decent player or a 2027 5th round or better pick. He's paid for and can be a solid backup for the Colts, that is worth a lot.

Oh, good point...i didnt think.about him being a high draft pick and thus having a high salary cap number. I think id be put becas of that. I have heard he was available for a late round pick. It seems the Colts have given up on him. Idk what happened but that injury last year seemed fishy

 

[thequick12]

Cole Payton #178 5th Round

Taylen Green #182 6th Round

I did fail to mention...the Packers did sign Kyron Drones who is a similar player to Payton and Green. Dual threat guy like Willis. He has a chance

6'1 226
40: 4.62
20: 2.52
10: 1.60
Vert: 33
Shut:4.27
Broad: 120"

 

[Heyjoe4]

I believe Richardson wants to be a starter. We shall see.

Agreed. HE's still on his rookie deal, I think, and is still trying to find a starting gig. He wouldn't be happy as a backup at vet minimum. Good point. Take him off the radar.

I'm ok if they stick with Ridder. Better yet, unearth talent in a rookie or 2nd year backup, using UDFAs. They do need a solid backup behind Love. He doesn't sustain major injuries, but he will miss a game or two during the season.

 

[Heyjoe4]

It will cost the Packers something to make that happen. Richardson is still under contract with the Colts. His cap hit and dead cap hit are identical: $10,816,284. So if the Colts release him, they really don't gain anything but being able to split that dead cap hit over 2 seasons. What they lose in releasing him is a player with talent and could play as their backup, as well as a potential 2028 comp pick.

Also, Richardson might have a say as to where he goes. Maybe he wants to compete for a starting job, that isn't happening in GB. Now if he was smart, he would see what happened to Malik and urge the Colts to trade him for a 7th rounder to the Packers.

Unless Richardson is screaming and threatening not to play for the Colts, I just don't see a situation where they trade him for less than either a halfway decent player or a 2027 5th round or better pick. He's paid for and can be a solid backup for the Colts, that is worth a lot.

After further consideration - yeah you and milani are right Poker. Richardson still has ambitions to be a starting guy somewhere. And if he ends up having to take a backup gig, he won't be happy. Take a pass here.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Oh, good point...i didnt think.about him being a high draft pick and thus having a high salary cap number. I think id be put becas of that. I have heard he was available for a late round pick. It seems the Colts have given up on him. Idk what happened but that injury last year seemed fishy

Richardson had all the attributes for a college QB to be a 1st round pick. Unfortunately, his play never lived up to the hype.

He probably has a future as a backup. But he's not gonna accept that at this point.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Unfortunately I dont think he will thrive as a dolphin. The quality of the players around him isnt gonna be nearly as good in Miami. I think he's one of those guys thats gonna end up being better as a backup

As for guys Gute could try to repeat tjis feat with...I think Anthony Richardson has to be at the top of the list

I think you're right about Wilis' immediate future in Miami. They are rebuiklding, and he's not gonna have the talent around him that he had in GB.

Initially I thought of Richardson as a good backup candidate. But Poker noted he's getting paid very well on his rookie deal. He may be a backup someday, but not until his rookie deal expires. Best if the Packers don't waste rtheir time on him right now.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

After further consideration - yeah you and milani are right Poker. Richardson still has ambitions to be a starting guy somewhere. And if he ends up having to take a backup gig, he won't be happy. Take a pass here.

Richardson is only 23 years old (24 next month). So while like most players, his ambition is to be a starter and make starter money, he has time to do so. As I mentioned, the smart career move for him would be to get the Colts to trade him to a team where he isn't stuck behind 2 other QB's on the depth chart. That way he can at least compete for the starting position in camp and if nothing else, like Malik did, learn his craft as the #2. I just don't think there are any teams who are willing to give up much, if anything for him, as well as pick up his $10M+ 1 year contract.

Prior to today, I assumed Richardson was the Colts #2 QB behind Jones, but that isn't the case. The Colts have Riley Leonard as their #2, so not trading Richardson might cost them a roster spot. So while the Colts won't save any cap by releasing Richardson, they would pick up that roster spot. Also, if Richardson has become a disgruntled and not a good player to have on the team, even more reason to just say "F the late round pick, lets release him."

If the Packers would pick him up off of waivers, and figure out a reasonable 2 year deal ($3-4M/year), he might be worth the gamble. However, if they value Ridder equally or higher than Richardson, they don't even have Anthony on their radar. Personally, I think Richardson is the better player, with the higher upside.

 

[tynimiller]

Richardson is only 23 years old (24 next month). So while like most players, his ambition is to be a starter and make starter money, he has time to do so. As I mentioned, the smart career move for him would be to get the Colts to trade him to a team where he isn't stuck behind 2 other QB's on the depth chart. That way he can at least compete for the starting position in camp and if nothing else, like Malik did, learn his craft as the #2. I just don't think there are any teams who are willing to give up much, if anything for him, as well as pick up his $10M+ 1 year contract.

Prior to today, I assumed Richardson was the Colts #2 QB behind Jones, but that isn't the case. The Colts have Riley Leonard as their #2, so not trading Richardson might cost them a roster spot. So while the Colts won't save any cap by releasing Richardson, they would pick up that roster spot. Also, if Richardson has become a disgruntled and not a good player to have on the team, even more reason to just say "F the late round pick, lets release him."

If the Packers would pick him up off of waivers, and figure out a reasonable 2 year deal ($3-4M/year), he might be worth the gamble. However, if they value Ridder equally or higher than Richardson, they don't even have Anthony on their radar. Personally, I think Richardson is the better player, with the higher upside.

I want Gute to trade for him and honestly I think a package of 5th rounders (2027 and 2028) is more than worth the risk of the move....perhaps say a 5th in 2027 and only a 5th in 2028 IF he is still on the roster by a date before the 2028 draft.

 

[milani]

Richardson is only 23 years old (24 next month). So while like most players, his ambition is to be a starter and make starter money, he has time to do so. As I mentioned, the smart career move for him would be to get the Colts to trade him to a team where he isn't stuck behind 2 other QB's on the depth chart. That way he can at least compete for the starting position in camp and if nothing else, like Malik did, learn his craft as the #2. I just don't think there are any teams who are willing to give up much, if anything for him, as well as pick up his $10M+ 1 year contract.

Prior to today, I assumed Richardson was the Colts #2 QB behind Jones, but that isn't the case. The Colts have Riley Leonard as their #2, so not trading Richardson might cost them a roster spot. So while the Colts won't save any cap by releasing Richardson, they would pick up that roster spot. Also, if Richardson has become a disgruntled and not a good player to have on the team, even more reason to just say "F the late round pick, lets release him."

If the Packers would pick him up off of waivers, and figure out a reasonable 2 year deal ($3-4M/year), he might be worth the gamble. However, if they value Ridder equally or higher than Richardson, they don't even have Anthony on their radar. Personally, I think Richardson is the better player, with the higher upside.

If I had a choice between Ridder and Richardson I would go with Richardson. Both played with teams that thrust them into starting early. No tutoring from a veteran.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

I want Gute to trade for him and honestly I think a package of 5th rounders (2027 and 2028) is more than worth the risk of the move....perhaps say a 5th in 2027 and only a 5th in 2028 IF he is still on the roster by a date before the 2028 draft.

My problem with trading for Richardson is the fact that the Packers have to pick up his current contract, which only has 1 year left and is for $10.8M+ . The Colts have yet to pick up his 5th year option, which is estimated to be $22.5M and would have to be picked up by Friday. I don't see the Colts or the Packers doing that.

Spending two draft picks for a backup QB that needs a lot of work, paying him $10.8M and only having him under contract for a year, I would pass.

Now if Richardson sees what happened to Malik in his 2 years with Green Bay and a deal can be worked out it is something to consider. Such deal would have the Colts pick up half the $10.8M and Richardson agrees to a 2 year deal with the Packers at $5.4M/year, then maybe it would be worth the draft picks and money. Richards gets his guaranteed $10.8M this season, half from the Colts, half from the Packers and is guaranteed another $5.4M next season from the Packers.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If I had a choice between Ridder and Richardson I would go with Richardson. Both played with teams that thrust them into starting early. No tutoring from a veteran.

Agree. The more I dig into Ridder, the less I like. But maybe the Packers see potential with him and will stay pat. He is by far the cheaper option.

I'm honestly fine with having a cheaper backup QB with experience and develop a younger guy via the Practice Squad. I really wished that the Packers would have jumped all over signing Kyler Murray. The Vikings signed him for $1.3M, quite a steal IMO. Obviously, Kyler also probably thought his odds of winning the starting spot in Minnesota was much higher than in Green Bay. Which is kind of the rub for the Packers, whomever they have as their #2, probably isn't going to take the job over from Jordan Love.

 

[DoURant]

Agree. The more I dig into Ridder, the less I like. But maybe the Packers see potential with him and will stay pat. He is by far the cheaper option.

I'm honestly fine with having a cheaper backup QB with experience and develop a younger guy via the Practice Squad. I really wished that the Packers would have jumped all over signing Kyler Murray. The Vikings signed him for $1.3M, quite a steal IMO. Obviously, Kyler also probably thought his odds of winning the starting spot in Minnesota was much higher than in Green Bay. Which is kind of the rub for the Packers, whomever they have as their #2, probably isn't going to take the job over from Jordan Love.

If we would have signed Kyler Murray, the situation would have been made into a starting job controversy... no thanks

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If we would have signed Kyler Murray, the situation would have been made into a starting job controversy... no thanks

Only for Murray and yeah, that would be a non-starter....no pun intended. The Cardinals are still paying him the rest of his money, so that is why he came so cheap to the Vikings. I also think it was a deal that Murray gave his stamp of approval on, knowing he had a legit shot at beating out McCarthy and Wentz for the starting job.

 

[gopkrs]

My 2 cents is that I'm ok with the way Gute is handling it right now. I just don't want him to stick with QBs on some imaginary upside. If they don't have the accuracy or the arm strength; let them go as soon as you can find someone to take their place. Back ups are not for upside. The whole point is for them to be able to enter a game. And I won't have a clue as to what I like until I see them play some. It's just different in a game than in practice although LaFleur should be able to tell alot during those two minute drills imo. He shouldn't be thinking that with a little work then he'll be all right. imho. My advice, look at the arm, not the footwork.

 

[OldSchool101]

I did fail to mention...the Packers did sign Kyron Drones who is a similar player to Payton and Green. Dual threat guy like Willis. He has a chance

6'1 226
40: 4.62
20: 2.52
10: 1.60
Vert: 33
Shut:4.27
Broad: 120"

That’s actually pretty quick for a Bigger QB. He’s about 10lb heavier than Rodgers, but faster. Both Love and Rodgers ran like a 4.72- 4.71 sec 40 yard.

 

[JPPT1974]

Malik was a great backup but now he is Da man in Miami. Need to find someone should Love go down and hopefully he will not by any and all means.

 

[OldSchool101]

Malik was a great backup but now he is Da man in Miami. Need to find someone should Love go down and hopefully he will not by any and all means.

I really don’t think we’re nearly as bad at QB2 as some in here think. Ridder has 18 Starts and I can’t remember the last time we had a backup with that live game experience? I stopped at 26yrs and 11 primary backup QB’s and I’m exhausted looking.
Not 1 backup of those 11 QB’s across 26 years came close to Ridders 18 starts. He’s basically been a .500 level QB against Pro competition. The only QB who rivaled Ridder in athleticism in his draft class would be Malik. Malik didn’t test at combine. Had Malik and Ridder got picked any closer they’d be twins.

Ridder scored a 9.80 RAS and that was # 1 among QB’s in his Draft class and Good enough for a Day 2 selection. If We’ve got the D we need? Ridder is good enough to play .500 ball +

He’s cheap and experienced and still growing.