Backup QB

[Pokerbrat2000]

ESPN today had us as the "ideal landing spot" for Arkansas QB Taylen Green and had him going in the 5th round.

Source

Basically the gist of it is that with LaFleur we've liked to keep athletic backup QBs and guys who can beat you with their legs and Green's an extremely athletic QB prospect and a dangerous runner. They figure (like we have in the past) we would go run heavy and give him a lot of reps carrying the ball rather than asking him to do a ton with his arm.

That would be disappointing for me, if the Packers spend a 5th round pick on developmental QB. As long as Love stays healthy, he is the Packers QB for at least 4 more years. Odds are you can't get a 5th round pick to the Practice Squad and thus either have to give him the backup job on the roster or have 3 QB's on the roster.

 

[El Guapo]

Broncos, Steelers, Giants. Wilson just has not had a good run since Seattle. Does he have much left in the tank?

Wilson offers two skill sets:
1) backup QB if Love gets injured
2) veteran presence to teach Love how to be a SB champion

I think that we all agree that Wilson makes us nervous for #1. However, I think that he would be really good for helping with the #2 item above. IMO - Love is a really good player. I'm just not sure that he has the leadership skills or the dagger instincts. Maybe he will never learn those skills, but somebody like Russell Wilson could certainly try.

 

[DoURant]

Altmyer is a late Day 3 or UDFA option if they are interested. I don't want them to use any Draft picks before the 6th on a QB. I want to see want Ridder can do. And if he isn’t cutting it, bring in a veteran to back up to Jordan.

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[milani]

Wilson offers two skill sets:
1) backup QB if Love gets injured
2) veteran presence to teach Love how to be a SB champion

I think that we all agree that Wilson makes us nervous for #1. However, I think that he would be really good for helping with the #2 item above. IMO - Love is a really good player. I'm just not sure that he has the leadership skills or the dagger instincts. Maybe he will never learn those skills, but somebody like Russell Wilson could certainly try.

I got to see Wilson in that 2019 playoff at Lambeau. Good game. If your starter went down you know he could run the offense. Hard to believe he has been around since 2011.

 

[OldSchool101]

Just a note. In Ridder’s 1st season (2023) as a regular starter Ridder was 6-7. across 18 games he went 8-10 Win-Loss, which really isn’t that bad for about a seasons worth of playing time. He also beat Jordan Love and the Packers 25-24.

Now I’m not suggesting next step is Canton OH. I do think Ridder could play .500 ball for GB if given a string of games. When at Atlanta Desmond played with Defenses ranked #23 and #18. If GB has a Top #12 Defense or better I think it’s very reasonable that Desmond could play over .500 Win-Loss.

 

[Heyjoe4]

ESPN today had us as the "ideal landing spot" for Arkansas QB Taylen Green and had him going in the 5th round.

Source

Basically the gist of it is that with LaFleur we've liked to keep athletic backup QBs and guys who can beat you with their legs and Green's an extremely athletic QB prospect and a dangerous runner. They figure (like we have in the past) we would go run heavy and give him a lot of reps carrying the ball rather than asking him to do a ton with his arm.

Interesting and thanks for the intel Magooch. With Jacobs' production starting to decrease, and the loss of Wilson, a QB who can run is tempting, especially in round 5. I also like the idea of adding a veteran, like R Wilson, but a young guy who can run is tempting.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Just a note. In Ridder’s 1st season (2023) as a regular starter Ridder was 6-7. across 18 games he went 8-10 Win-Loss, which really isn’t that bad for about a seasons worth of playing time. He also beat Jordan Love and the Packers 25-24.

Now I’m not suggesting next step is Canton OH. I do think Ridder could play .500 ball for GB if given a string of games. When at Atlanta Desmond played with Defenses ranked #23 and #18. If GB has a Top #12 Defense or better I think it’s very reasonable that Desmond could play over .500 Win-Loss.

Interesting OS. All you can ask of a backup QB is to play .500 ball. Ridder fits the bill.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I got to see Wilson in that 2019 playoff at Lambeau. Good game. If your starter went down you know he could run the offense. Hard to believe he has been around since 2011.

2011! Wow I didn't realize he's been around that long. OK w me if Gluten picks him up, or Ridder as OS pointed out.

 

[OldSchool101]

I’d have zero problem adding Wilson but I’d prefer to sit tight or draft a QB in RD5-7 IF one is slipping Rounds like Sanders did. I’d hope not to spend more than a 2yr X $7mil type offer maybe 50% guaranteed and another $1Mil in various playing incentives if he becomes a starter for any length.

Reason being we can walk away without impact after 2026 of we have a concrete QB2 through 2027 on the cheap.

Anything past around $3-4mil for Russell is a no for me because we take on a descending player and push out an ascending player. Not to mention Ridder could play himself into a prominent QB role and thus has a better chance of getting a contract that nets us a Comp selection.

The other Caveats are that Ridder makes Defenses account for his Speed. His explosion is Malik like and he’s already (9.63 RAS) proven it translates with:
78 Rush attempts.
24 1st downs
5 TD’s
3.8 per

Malik
74 Rush attempts
24 1st Downs
4 TD’s
5.5 per

 

[Heyjoe4]

I’d have zero problem adding Wilson but I’d prefer to sit tight or draft a QB in RD5-7 IF one is slipping Rounds like Sanders did. I’d hope not to spend more than a 2yr X $7mil type offer maybe 50% guaranteed and another $1Mil in various playing incentives if he becomes a starter for any length.

Reason being we can walk away without impact after 2026 of we have a concrete QB2 through 2027 on the cheap.

Anything past around $3-4mil for Russell is a no for me because we take on a descending player and push out an ascending player. Not to mention Ridder could play himself into a prominent QB role and thus has a better chance of getting a contract that nets us a Comp selection.

The other Caveats are that Ridder makes Defenses account for his Speed. His explosion is Malik like and he’s already (9.63 RAS) proven it translates with:
78 Rush attempts.
24 1st downs
5 TD’s
3.8 per

Malik
74 Rush attempts
24 1st Downs
4 TD’s
5.5 per

Yeah I much orefer Ridder over Wilson at this point. Ridder's ability to run adds another dimension to QB. Willis did well early on as a runner and occasional passer. Something Love just isn't good at. And when Willis was trusted to throw, he delivered.

As for comp, Wilson should get a slight premium to the veteran minimum, around $2 mil AAV.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

Yeah I much orefer Ridder over Wilson at this point. Ridder's ability to run adds another dimension to QB. Willis did well early on as a runner and occasional passer. Something Love just isn't good at. And when Willis was trusted to throw, he delivered.

As for comp, Wilson should get a slight premium to the veteran minimum, around $2 mil AAV.

Well, we have Desmond Ridder on the Roster at the moment, so you may get your wish. My questions marks on Ridder can only be answered by the Packers coaches. Does he have a bigger upside than we saw at Atlanta and LVR? Because if he doesn't, then I would question keeping him. I think people over value his "running ability". Bad QB's often run for their lives and his 3.8 yd run per carry average isn't going to scare many. For comparison, Russell Wilson's career average is 5.3 YC and last season it was 5.9. Also for comparison. Malik Willis averages 5.5 yds/carry.

Ridders TD's-Int.'s ration probably scares me the most, it is 16-14. Again, for comparison, Wilson is at 315-114.


I'm not opposed to Ridder, if he can be or has been, coached up. However, I do think Russell Wilson is by far the better and more proven QB. Possibly more future upside with Ridder, but we don't need a future QB, we just need a proven commodity that can come in and manage a game well. I would trust Wilson to be just that, proven and a known commodity.

The good news for the Packers. Ridder is on a $1.215M contract, that isn't guaranteed. So no risk to move forward with him and see where he is at come Sept. That said, if they can also bring Russell in at under $5M with little or no guarantees, I think you have a great QB camp (Love, Wilson, Ridder, McCord, Rookie), keeping your options wide open.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Well, we have Desmond Ridder on the Roster at the moment, so you may get your wish. My questions marks on Ridder can only be answered by the Packers coaches. Does he have a bigger upside than we saw at Atlanta and LVR? Because if he doesn't, then I would question keeping him. I think people over value his "running ability". Bad QB's often run for their lives and his 3.8 yd run per carry average isn't going to scare many. For comparison, Russell Wilson's career average is 5.3 YC and last season it was 5.9. Also for comparison. Malik Willis averages 5.5 yds/carry.

Ridders TD's-Int.'s ration probably scares me the most, it is 16-14. Again, for comparison, Wilson is at 315-114.


I'm not opposed to Ridder, if he can be or has been, coached up. However, I do think Russell Wilson is by far the better and more proven QB. Possibly more future upside with Ridder, but we don't need a future QB, we just need a proven commodity that can come in and manage a game well. I would trust Wilson to be just that, proven and a known commodity.

The good news for the Packers. Ridder is on a $1.215M contract, that isn't guaranteed. So no risk to move forward with him and see where he is at come Sept. That said, if they can also bring Russell in at under $5M with little or no guarantees, I think you have a great QB camp (Love, Wilson, Ridder, McCord, Rookie), keeping your options wide open.

Yikes I didn't realize Ridder was on the roster. Thanks.

And game management is, IMO, more important than running ability. Willis managed games well and stuck with the plays they gave him. Later, he showed he could pass as well. (It will be interesting to see how he does in Miami. He certainly helped the Packers and looks like a starter. But that brings high expectations and more pressure. I think he'll do well.)

Anyway thanks for the info on Ridder and Wilson. If Wilson isn't asked to do too much, he would be the preferred BU QB. He's been humbled the last few years and hopefully he's accepted that and doesn't see BU as a demotion. While it looks like he fell off a cliff after Seattle, he may just have been adjusting to NOT being the guy after so any years of being THE guy in Seattle.

His experience as starter is invaluable. Agree he would be a better choice over Ridder.

 

[gopkrs]

I am in the camp of not going for Wilson. He is not having a few bad seasons. He is done imho. I'm willing to make my mind up after I see Ridder play.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

If Wilson isn't asked to do too much, he would be the preferred BU QB.

I think the other thing Wilson would bring to the roster is his veteran knowledge of playing the position. With QB coach Sean Manion leaving, having Wilson there as someone to help "coach up" and support Love, as well as Ridder or the #3 QB, would be an added bonus.

Anthony Richardson would be another option and to me a bit similar to the Malik Willis pickup/trade by the Packers in 2024. Good experience, but needs to be coached up and in the right system. While there was some chatter about the Packers potentially being interested in Kirk Cousins, given what he signed for with the Raiders, I am glad that he isn't a Packer.

 

[gopkrs]

I think the other thing Wilson would bring to the roster is his veteran knowledge of playing the position. With QB coach Sean Manion leaving, having Wilson there as someone to help "coach up" and support Love, as well as Ridder or the #3 QB, would be an added bonus.

Anthony Richardson would be another option and to me a bit similar to the Malik Willis pickup/trade by the Packers in 2024. Good experience, but needs to be coached up and in the right system. While there was some chatter about the Packers potentially being interested in Kirk Cousins, given what he signed for with the Raiders, I am glad that he isn't a Packer.

What in the world did you think he was going to sign for?

 

[El Guapo]

Yeah, where was I when Ridder got signed??

I am even more favor now of signing Russell Wilson now. Make Desmond Ridder the backup and tell Wilson that he is the #3 with the main responsibility of making the #1 and #2 guys into great QBs. If he succeeds, he could have a decent, future career as a QB coach in the NFL. "Why not you, Russ?"

I don't want some nobody 7th round draft pick as our #3.

 

[OldSchool101]

Yeah, where was I when Ridder got signed??

I am even more favor now of signing Russell Wilson now. Make Desmond Ridder the backup and tell Wilson that he is the #3 with the main responsibility of making the #1 and #2 guys into great QBs. If he succeeds, he could have a decent, future career as a QB coach in the NFL. "Why not you, Russ?"

I don't want some nobody 7th round draft pick as our #3.

Hey @El Guapo!
I don’t know why but this got me chuckling. Maybe because everyone is far apart in varying opinions at QB2. So much and such varied opinion that I was thinking. The only thing I’m sure of anymore is that if each Poster had to divide into 32 groups and represent a NFL Team as GM’s? The NFL would call the Super Bowl off because the fans who replaced us would run us all out of town! Especially my ideas they wouldn’t even wait for me to land in GB and I’d have my very own Fire Oldschool thread!

 

[AKCheese]

Wilson is done
Move on

 

[DoURant]

Wilson is done
Move on

Agree, I have no interest in bringing him to Green Bay.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I am in the camp of not going for Wilson. He is not having a few bad seasons. He is done imho. I'm willing to make my mind up after I see Ridder play.

I understand your point. I just don't think Wilson is quite done. He's having to adjust to aging and playing a secondary role. That doesn't come easy.

I'd like to see Ridder play as well. If Gluten was really interested in Wilson, he'd be here already, I think. Let them duke it out in TC and PS.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Yeah, where was I when Ridder got signed??

I am even more favor now of signing Russell Wilson now. Make Desmond Ridder the backup and tell Wilson that he is the #3 with the main responsibility of making the #1 and #2 guys into great QBs. If he succeeds, he could have a decent, future career as a QB coach in the NFL. "Why not you, Russ?"

I don't want some nobody 7th round draft pick as our #3.

Thanks EG. I thought I was the only one who missed the Ridder signing.

Whether it's Wilson or Ridder or someone else, it should be a veteran QB - either a former starter or someone who has played meaningful snaps as a backup.

I don't know that the Falcons have planned for Tua. I'm a little surprised he's still playing. He'd be a great backup, but that doesn't change the fact that for his own good, he should retire.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

What in the world did you think he was going to sign for?

Who Cousins? Not what the Raiders gave him, that is for sure. People saying that Wilson is too old and washed up, should probably say the same thing about Cousins.

Anyway, we need a reliable, veteran, #2 QB, but not at the price the Raiders paid for Cousins.

 

[El Guapo]

Hey @El Guapo!
I don’t know why but this got me chuckling. Maybe because everyone is far apart in varying opinions at QB2. So much and such varied opinion that I was thinking. The only thing I’m sure of anymore is that if each Poster had to divide into 32 groups and represent a NFL Team as GM’s? The NFL would call the Super Bowl off because the fans who replaced us would run us all out of town! Especially my ideas they wouldn’t even wait for me to land in GB and I’d have my very own Fire Oldschool thread!

I'm perfectly happy to merely express my thoughts on here, get roasted or lauded, and not have all of the public scrutiny. Those folks need thick skin to get all of the hate and criticism. It's just a job of gut feel, with a few stats sprinkled in for fun.

 

[El Guapo]

Whether it's Wilson or Ridder or someone else, it should be a veteran QB - either a former starter or someone who has played meaningful snaps as a backup.

That's truly my opinion no matter what. I really don't like Russell Wilson much for a lot of reasons, but I think that he is one of the few decent veteran options left on the market.

 

[Pokerbrat2000]

That's truly my opinion no matter what. I really don't like Russell Wilson much for a lot of reasons, but I think that he is one of the few decent veteran options left on the market.

I don't think a team has to break the bank on a backup QB, but I also don't think a team that has the playoffs in sight should give that job to a guy with little or no NFL game experience. A smart GM finds a Veteran QB, at minimal cost, that can soak up a playbook, meld with his teammate, read defenses and come in on short notice and manage the offense. I don't know what Russell Wilson wants to be that guy, but if it is reasonable (Under $5M/year), Gute should ink the deal yesterday.