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Are Packers still winners?

Discussion in 'Green Bay Packers Fan Forum' started by IPBprez, Oct 1, 2005.

  1. IPBprez

    IPBprez Cheesehead

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    Dec 14, 2004
    Lambeau Midwest
    Posted Oct. 01, 2005
    Mike Woods

    Are Packers still winners? Let’s hear the arguments

    There are those of you who have decided it’s time to cash in your chips and start watching NFL draft geek Mel Kiper’s Big Board.

    Then there are those of you who still believe that despite an 0-3 start, the Green Bay Packers will keep alive their streak of 13 straight non-losing seasons.

    So today, we’ll take a look at both sides. Only time will determine which set of arguments holds more truth.

    The Packers will finish 8-8 or better because:

    • This team has too many good players on it to go from 10-6 in 2004 to anything less than 8-8 this year.

    • Quarterback Brett Favre is off to a bad start, but the guy is just too good for this to last much longer. He will come around soon.

    • Ahman Green has struggled, but when given room to run, he has run hard and looked good.

    • The offensive line, with two new guards, will get better as each week passes.

    • The defense, in particular the run defense, has looked good. Yeah, the Caddy from Tampa Bay ended up with 158 yards on 37 carries last Sunday. But after three quarters, he was at 22 carries for just 76 yards. In this case, the defense just wore down.

    • Coach Mike Sherman is an expert at digging a hole, but has shown he has the moxie to find a way out. The players have been down this road as well, and if they’ve had the will to do it before, they can do it again.

    • An improving Ahmad Carroll will help solidify the pass defense.

    • Defensive coordinator Jim Bates has done a good job of getting his troops to stop the run. It will only be a matter of time before he finds a way to enable them to put pressure on the opposing quarterback.

    The Packers will finish worse than 8-8 because:

    • This game is all about having playmakers on your team. The Packers lost a key one in wide receiver Javon Walker, and Favre and Green are struggling. The defense has none. This is a team without enough playmakers on its roster.

    • GM Ted Thompson misjudged the value of guards Marco Rivera and Mike Wahle. He should have signed at least one. Their replacements have not played up to par. It will prove to be a decision the Packers will not be able to recover from.

    • Green, like all backs who run with such a punishing style, is hitting the wall and will never be as good as he was.

    • Favre, knowing the shortcomings on offense, will continue to press to make plays. Invariably, mistakes will follow.

    • The defense will continue to struggle because of its inability to generate a pass rush, and teams will exploit that all season.

    • Penalties have haunted the Packers for several weeks, with no sign the problem is being fixed. This will continue to be a thorn in their side.

    • Sherman’s mistakes as a general manager, a combination of poor drafts and bad contracts, have caught up to the Packers. It will be a while before they can recover.

    Mike Woods writes for The Post-Crescent of Appleton.


    Certainly one point of view - just wish PackersNews would review our web site from time-to-time and ask us to post an Article on "their" web site.... Might liven things up just a bit....
  2. yooperfan

    yooperfan Cheesehead

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    Dec 4, 2004
    Michigans Upper Peninsula
    The Packers are still winners. I am of the opinion that they will go 9-7.
  3. Obi1

    Obi1 Cheesehead

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    Jun 4, 2005
    Just like many a fans on this forum, Packers will always be winners. Winning is in your heart, in your head and in your spirit. I REALLY don't care if Packers lose again...

    Winning is transitory... Designed to be. We've ALL heard that you can't win them all. So called "win or else" is a desperate cry from people who have never won anything worthwhile.

    Packers will always be winners because of what the team represents... its' concept of a small town, publicly owned team, thus the eternal underdog, the smalltown kid who made good...

    The literal definition of AMERICA.

    Because of their tradition and history, Packers have been and will always be winners.
  4. IU_packfan

    IU_packfan Cheesehead

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    Jan 31, 2005
    Southern Indiana
    the packers are THE GREEN BAY PACKERS, they will always be winners in most of our eyes. to be a true fan u must go thru the good and the bad times. we have experienced numerous years of success really rivaled by no other team over the past 10 or 11 years (numerous conference titles, a super bowl, and almost always in the playoffs). no matter how this year finishes i will always be there for the team and i know the rest of you will also

  5. PackerTraxx

    PackerTraxx Cheesehead

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    Mar 7, 2005
    The Packers are always winners, always, regardless of their record. They'
    re like a good friend or a child. They may not always do what you want but you always love them and look for better things. They may p*ss you off to no end and may even appear disfunctional, but you always love them and move forward to get better. Always looking for progress towards the Super Bowl.
  6. dhpackr

    dhpackr Cheesehead

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    Sep 13, 2005
    SE Wisconsin

    i agree, 2-3 at the bye, and 9-7 at the end of the season
    4 time north division champs

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