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Wait....
When I would bring up offense shortcomings, people would still say so what.... It was all capers fault...
Im going to find those posts..
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Wait....
When I would bring up offense shortcomings, people would still say so what.... It was all capers fault...
Im going to find those posts..
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Well, I pointed out that twice (once with Neal and once with Peppers) he had a DE on the scatback for two important 3rd down plays. If you are going to drop these big guys into coverage...well you just shouldn't. Another DB should be in the game insead.
That certainly has something to do with it however I wish some people would understand and give credit where credit is due. The Chargers executed the short passing game to perfection that day. They had a gameplan, nothing but short 3-step and few 5-step drops and the ball out of Rivers hands. This was done to combat the fact that the Packers were one of the top if not the top sack teams in the NFL leading into that game.
Sometimes other teams execute their gameplans to perfection or near perfection. We have all seen the Packers do it with 45 to 50 point games games last year. But can you see the difference between the Packers offense running at near perfection and the Charges offense doing the same? They lost. Think about that, on the rare day when the other team's offense was nearly perfect, they still LOST.
People nead to learn to tip their hat to the other team and get over it. It was a near flawless gameplan and execution of that gameplan by the Charges on that day. Nothing more, nothing less.
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So what do you propose? we're only allowed 11 on the field, are you suggesting we take one of our pass rushers off the field and put in a defensive back? What if that only leaves us with 3 pass rushers on the field? Fire Capers? or take away your posting privileges?
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We'll have a better idea of our strength after the next 2 weeks. Currently we have the 29th ranked schedule. If we beat a solid Carolina team I'll be a believer.
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BJ RAJI and PERRY!! Makes the difference on the packers D.
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Mondio, I hate the 3 man rush and Capers (not sure he hasn't been told not to use it) has not been using it. So when the two DE dropped back to cover the back in the flat (on two different plays)...there were 4 others that were rushing...at least 4 (not sure if he blitzed). I am saying that disguising your rush by dropping a big man back to cover a back is dumb. Just put in another DB. And anyway it is not much of a disguise. Those guys were out on an island all alone.
I've seen the Jets, Rams, Packers, Patriots, etc all use a 3 man rush at some point this year. Offenses scheme defensive personel too, they don't line their RB's up on DB's, they also try and create mismatches. SOmetimes you get caught in one. Take your DL or LB's and replace them with DB's and there are offenses that can be called to beat the crap out of that defense too. BJ Raji dropped back in coverage once, and did a dance afterwards called "the Raji" He's a big guy.
rushing 5 on the line leaves any number of combinations of LB and DB/safety help behind. Are you suggesting we run Dime all the time with 4 guys along the line a linebacker and 6 DB's all the time?
rushing 5 on the line leaves any number of combinations of LB and DB/safety help behind. Are you suggesting we run Dime all the time with 4 guys along the line a linebacker and 6 DB's all the time?
Depends if it's Fantasy or not. Then the yards REALLY matter!
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I watched the second half of the Chargers game last night. I noticed just one play the Packers rushed three - it was during the Chargers last drive of the game. The result was a five yard pass completion. Compared to the rest of the game, that counted as a win for the Packers D. I'm not sure how often they rushed just three in the first half but my guess is not a lot. So for those who hate a three-man rush, the 4, 5, and 6 man rushes didn't do much to prevent Rivers from averaging more than 11.5 yards per completion and 7.7 yards per attempt for the game. Capers said on the last four Chargers snaps of the game, they showed pressure and then backed out of it. Of course I don't want to see a steady diet of three man rushes on passing downs, but it does make sense at times and the last thing a defense wants to be is predictable.
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Some teams can get some pressure with 3. We usually don't. That 3rd and long (26?) against Seattle is a prime example. I think it is noteworthy that the Chargers ended up very close to a TD in that last drive. I think that both offensively and defensively you never go into a totally conservative mode.
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And? I've never had an issue saying offense stink it up when they did so.....can't blame the defense when they can't sustain a drive. I've never changed my stand in regards to that.
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The way the Chargers were throwing the ball...yes the dime would make sense all the time until they showed us they could then run the ball effectively. But I was talking about important 3rd downs where they have a medium yardage to go for a 1st. And the fast and quick back was one on one with a big man. To me that is an unacceptable chance to take. The final play showed the difference with them trying the same play but we had a DB out there.
from what they said, we had 7 DB's out there at times too. But for every defense, there's an offense designed to beat it. I'd rather not have Peppers covering a RB, but sometimes, for whatever reason, that's the situation a defense will find itself in. maybe they didn't get to substitute, maybe they did, and the offense ran a different play than they were expecting. maybe they were in a perfect defense for the play called for down and distance and Rivers sent someone in motion, saw the coverages, and changed the play? Either way, sometimes a OLB will have to cover a guy out of the backfield. It happens.
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That may be true for the head coach. The defensive coordinator and his assistants are more worried when giving up 500+ yards though.
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I watched the replay and only found one play on third down when Neal ended up covering Woodhead. On that play it seems Matthews was supposed to cover the Chargers RB but he went into motion and while Clay moved with him before the snap he rushed the passer on the play. The Packers were in a dime formation on that play and for whatever reason Hayward decided to blitz Rivers as well which resulted in Neal having to drop into coverage. I don´t think that was Capers idea on that play though.
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On their last drive, the Chargers passed the ball 7 times before their first and goal at the 3. All 7 were completed. One went for 13 yards, four went for 12 yards, one went for 11 yards and on the only play they rushed only three, the pass was completed for 5 yards. So the play on which the Packers were "most conservative", they were most successful.
It didn't look to me like they were playing prevent defense for any of that drive. For example look at this 2nd and 5 play during the last drive. The Packers rushed 6 and the result was a great pass and great catch for a 13-yard gain:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-...Gates-makes-one-handed-catch-for-13-yard-gain
Play by play: http://jsonline.sportsdirectinc.com...nfl/playbyplay/2015-2016/playbyplay47018.html
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