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And magic # part 2

Discussion in 'Packer Fan Forum' started by longtimefan, Oct 26, 2015.

  1. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Let's try this again

    Here is the best Stat for the defense


    http://tinyurl.com/oyjltdu

     
  2. PackFanNChiTown

    PackFanNChiTown Bear Fan's Bane

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  3. PFanCan

    PFanCan That's MISTER Cheesehead, to you.

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    Fire Capers.


    :p
     
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  4. gopkrs

    gopkrs Cheesehead

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    I respectfully disagree. A bend but don't break defense will not win superbowls. If you are giving up yards all over the place; it will come back to bite you sooner than later. That said, I like our D if we could only get off the field more often after 3rd down. I am not a Caper's fan. Anyone that wants to use the 3 man rush is washed up imho. And I disagree with anyone that says we don't have the players. I am looking forward to the rest of the season.
     
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  5. Carl

    Carl Cheesehead

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    What has Capers done wrong so far this year?
     
  6. gopkrs

    gopkrs Cheesehead

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    A fair question. Things are going pretty well and I like that he is giving the two rookie DBs experience. Keep Mathews in the middle and we should be good.
     
  7. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    New England has given up more yards than GB

    Denver is #1 with least yards allowed.... Tampa is 4th... Packers are 12th. You rather be as good as Tampa with yards given up? You win handly, sometimes the other team only passes and that's how yards are racked

    So worrying about yards clearly can back fire.. As I pointed about in 2005 Packers were #1 vs passing yards given up.. But we were 4-12....
     
  8. ivo610

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    Are games decided by yards or points? Sometimes i can't tell on here
     
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  9. gopkrs

    gopkrs Cheesehead

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    So much of giving up a lot of passing yards is because you are winning the game. I am only trying to point out that the really excellent defenses are stingy in giving up 1st downs. And I get worried about the defense getting tired at the end of the game if they are on the field too long through the 1st 3 quarters. Like I said though...I love this team and am looking forward to the rest of the season.
     
  10. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Packers 40% 3rd downs converted- that's 22nd in league..below average

    New England 43%

    Houston 1st with 29%

    In fact the top 10 in lowest % allowed there are 5 whose record is under. 500

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs/sort/thirdDownConvPct/position/defense
     
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  11. Poppa San

    Poppa San SB I trophy First of four Staff Member Moderator

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    IMO the yards given up in the first 3 quarters are probably more telling. 4th quarter garbage yardage skews the stats. IIRC Gurleys big run was late in the game as were a few long passes this season.
     
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  12. rodell330

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    Nice originality ...,
     
  13. captainWIMM

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    Interestingly, this season the Packers are ranked 4th in the league in yards allowed per play during the first three quarters at 4.71 while ranking only 31st in the fourth quarter at 6.71.
     
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  14. AmishMafia

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    Capers has done well this season. But that doesn't change the fact that he has underperformed for the last few years. He will have to put together a few season in a row to get back in my good graces.
     
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  15. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    I did say part 2
     
  16. Narveson

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    I believe the main reason why the Pack gave up so many yards through the air vs the Chargers is that the defense was on the field way too much.

    Packers offense went 20 minutes without a 1st down between the 3rd and 4th quarter. The offense needs to move the ball and keep possession. They obviously need to score but they can't go 3 and out 4 straight times. That puts too much pressure on the defense.
     
  17. captainWIMM

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    There´s no denying the offense has to reduce the three-and-outs, after week 6 the unit was ranked 27th in the league at 26.2% compared to being second in 2014 at 14.1%. The defense not being able to stop the Chargers on third down contributed to them being on the field way too much as well.
     
  18. Carl

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    This goes right back to has he underperformed or has it been the players? No reason to discuss it though as it's been talked about many times here already.
     
  19. Curly Calhoun

    Curly Calhoun Cheesehead

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    Bingo.

    Coaches and players worry about wins and losses. People who play fantasy football sweat the stats.
     
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  20. captainWIMM

    captainWIMM Cheesehead

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    Do you really think the coaches weren't concerned about the defense giving up 500+ passing yards to Rivers and tried to figure out a way to prevent that from happening again??? :rolleyes:
     
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    If the offense played a better game no way Rivers throws for that because he's standing on the sidelines. Won't be able to get away with that Sunday Night.
     
  22. captainWIMM

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    There's no denying the offense's performance factored into the defense guving up that many yards. But it's naive to think the coaching staff didn't address it because the team won the game.
     
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  23. Curly Calhoun

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    I think they worry less about it when they win.

    If they give up less than 200 yards passing and lose, that's a bigger deal. It just is.
     
  24. Raptorman

    Raptorman Vikings fan since 1966.

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    Not that I want to steal your thunder but a couple of things. The Bronco's 102 points include 18+ given up by the Bronco's offense, ie: Manning, on pick 6's. So in reality, the Bronco's defense has really only given up 84 points. The Vikings 102 points include 2 points given to the Lions on a safety at the end of the game in order to move the kick out of the end zone.

    That being said, 101 points is still pretty impressive.
     
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  25. longtimefan

    longtimefan Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Is that counted already?
     

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