2023 Draft Clusters

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I'm just going to start with the first round.

Locks to be Off the Board:

1) C. Stroud, QB, OSU
2) B. Young, QB, UA
3) A. Richardson, QB, FLA
4) W. Levis, QB, UK
5) J. Carter, iDL, UGA
6) W. Anderson, ED, UA
7) T. Wilson, ED, TTU
8) C. Gonzalez, CB, OR
9) D. Witherspoon, CB, ILL

9 players off the board, meaning that a cluster for GB needs to be at least 6 players long. Here are the 10 guys that interest me, in order of interest here on 3/13.

1) J. Smith-Njigba, WR, OSU: Perfect fit in the slot, immediate impact potential, great school pedigree.

2) D. Wright, OT, TENN: Plug and play RT with great combo of power/athleticism.

3) P. Skoronski, OL, NW: Not a full-time tackle, but high end prospect with versatility.

4) B. Jones, OT, UGA: Highly athletic tackle who lacks refinement to hold down a spot immediately.

5) N. Smith, ED, UGA: Elite speed rush potential to complement bigger power edges on the roster.

6) L. Van Ness, ED/DL, IA: Undeveloped, but too young/explosive to write off.

7) Z. Flowers, WR, BC:
Explosive WR with elite COD.

8) Q. Johnston, WR, TCU: Inside/outside versatile receiver with size/athleticism combo.

9) B. Robinson, RB, UT: Low positional value, but elite weapon for Love in the offense.

10) D. Washington, TE, UGA:
True Y with receiving upside.
 

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I would have to have Bresee somewhere in there personally. I also would say Porter Jr.

I like both of them more than Bijan and Zay. I have higher prospect ranking on both vs Darnell Washington as well.
 
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If we get a 2nd Rounder or better. I’d use #15 and a Day 3 and get Quentin Johnston. He’d be very formidable paired with Watson. Then pluck Slayton from FA for the Slot.

Apply 1 Second Rounder #43/#45 at the best TE fit.
Use the other 2nd Rounder to apply to our Pass Rush.

I’d also draft another RB in that late Day 2-Day 3 area that is dynamic after the catch. I’m eyeing RB Tyjae Spears from Tulane
 
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I would have to have Bresee somewhere in there personally. I also would say Porter Jr.

I like both of them more than Bijan and Zay. I have higher prospect ranking on both vs Darnell Washington as well.

I don’t know what to do with Bresee. He looks and tests like a Packer but he sucked in 2022. He was dealing with a lot so there could be mitigating factors, but I can’t untangle that.

I’d rather they not use a 1st on the iDL spot next to Clark right after taking Wyatt. They rotate enough to get value out of it, but it’s not my preference.
 

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I'm just going to start with the first round.

Locks to be Off the Board:

1) C. Stroud, QB, OSU
2) B. Young, QB, UA
3) A. Richardson, QB, FLA
4) W. Levis, QB, UK
5) J. Carter, iDL, UGA
6) W. Anderson, ED, UA
7) T. Wilson, ED, TTU
8) C. Gonzalez, CB, OR
9) D. Witherspoon, CB, ILL

9 players off the board, meaning that a cluster for GB needs to be at least 6 players long. Here are the 10 guys that interest me, in order of interest here on 3/13.

1) J. Smith-Njigba, WR, OSU: Perfect fit in the slot, immediate impact potential, great school pedigree.

2) D. Wright, OT, TENN: Plug and play RT with great combo of power/athleticism.

3) P. Skoronski, OL, NW: Not a full-time tackle, but high end prospect with versatility.

4) B. Jones, OT, UGA: Highly athletic tackle who lacks refinement to hold down a spot immediately.

5) N. Smith, ED, UGA: Elite speed rush potential to complement bigger power edges on the roster.

6) L. Van Ness, ED/DL, IA: Undeveloped, but too young/explosive to write off.

7) Z. Flowers, WR, BC: Explosive WR with elite COD.

8) Q. Johnston, WR, TCU: Inside/outside versatile receiver with size/athleticism combo.

9) B. Robinson, RB, UT: Low positional value, but elite weapon for Love in the offense.

10) D. Washington, TE, UGA: True Y with receiving upside.
Are you missing Paris Johnson?
 
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Here's where I'm at:

Considered Likely to be Gone:

-OL:

-P. Johnson, Ohio State
-P. Skoronski, Northwestern

-iDL:
-J. Carter, Georgia

-ED:
-W. Anderson, Alabama
-T. Wilson, Texas Tech
-L. Van Ness, Iowa

-CB:
-D. Witherspoon, Illinois
-C. Gonzalez, Oregon

Round 1:

-WR:

-J. Smith-Njigba, Ohio State

-OL:
-D. Wright, Tennessee
-B. Jones, Georgia

-iDL:
-B. Bresee, Clemson

-ED:
-M. Murphy, Clemson
-N. Smith, Georgia

-CB:
-D. Banks, Maryland

Trade Up/Down:

-TE:

-D. Washington, Georgia
-D. Kincaid, Utah

-iDL:
-M. Smith, Michigan

-ED:
-W. McDonald IV, Iowa State

-DB:
-K. Ringo, Georgia

Round 2:

-TE:

-S. LaPorta, Iowa
-T. Kraft, South Dakota State

-WR:
-J. Mingo, Mississippi
-C. Tillman, Tennessee

-OL:
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M. Bergeron, Syracuse
-A. Harrison, Oklahoma
-C. Mauch, North Dakota State

-iDL:
-K. Benton, Wisconsin
-G. Dexter, Florida

-ED:
-I. Foskey, Notre Dame
-D. Hall, Auburn

-CB:
-D. Rush, South Carolina

-DB:
-T. Stevenson, Miami

Round 3:

-TE:

-L. Schoonmaker, Michigan
-B. Strange, Penn State

-WR:
-R. Rice, Southern Methodist
-T. Palmer, Nebraska

-OL:
-B. Freeland, BYU
-N. Saldiveri, Old Dominion

-iDL:
-Z. Pickens, South Carolina

-ED:
-I. McGuire, Missouri
-Z. Harrison, Ohio State

-CB:
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R. Moss, Iowa
-C. Mitchell, Northwestern

-DB:
-J. Martin, Illinois

Rounds 4-5:

-QB:

-C. Tune, Houston

-RB:
-C. Brown, Illinois

-TE:
-J. Whyle, Cincinnati

-WR:
-M. Wilson, Stanford
-X. Hutchinson, Iowa State

-OL:
-B. Daniels, Utah
-J. Ojukwu, Boise State
-J. Gaines, UCLA
-R. Stromberg, Arkansas

-iDL:
-M. Ojomo, Texas
-S. Matlock, Boise State

-ED:
-L. Phelps, Kansas
-Y. Diaby, Louisville

-CB:
-T. Smith, Minnesota

-SAF:
-J. Taylor, Oklahoma State
-A. Johnson, Iowa State
-D. Scott, Cal
-B. Hill, Pittsburgh
-C. Conner, Virginia Tech

Rounds 6-7:

-QB:

-S. Clifford, Penn State

-RB:
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E. Hull, Northwestern
-D. Prince, Tulsa
-X. Valladay, Arizona State

TE:
-N. Gindorff, North Dakota State
-P. Durham, Purdue
-W. Mallory, Miami

WR:
-M. Landers, Arkansas
-E. Higgins, Stanford

OL:
-E. Bostick, Kansas
-T. Reid, Louisville
-S. Aumavae-Laulu, Oregon

iDL:
-D. Stills, West Virginia

-ED:
-J. Ramirez, Eastern Michigan

-CB:
-C. Valentine, Kentucky

-DB:
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M. Garner, LSU

-SAF:
-J. Howden, Minnesota
-T. Okada, Montana State
 
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Here's where I'm at:

Round 1:

-WR:

-J. Smith-Njigba, Ohio State
-Z. Flowers, Boston College

-OL:
-D. Wright, Tennessee
-B. Jones, Georgia

-ED:
-N. Smith, Georgia
-L. Van Ness, Iowa

Trade Up/Down:

-TE:

-D. Washington, Georgia
-D. Kincaid, Utah

-WR:
-Q. Johnston, TCU

-OL:
-M. Bergeron, Syracuse

-iDL:
-B. Bresee, Clemson
-M. Smith, Michigan

-ED:
-W. McDonald IV, Iowa State

-CB:
-D. Banks, Maryland

-DB:
-K. Ringo, Georgia

Round 2:

-TE:

-S. LaPorta, Iowa
-T. Kraft, South Dakota State

-WR:
-J. Mingo, Mississippi
-C. Tillman, Tennessee
-A. Perry, Wake Forest

-OL:
-C. Mauch, North Dakota State
-S. Avila, TCU

-iDL:
-K. Benton, Wisconsin

-ED:
-I. Foskey, Notre Dame
-D. Hall, Auburn

-CB:
-R. Wright, Oregon State
-C. Philips, Utah

-SAF:
-S. Brown, Illinois

-DB:
-T. Stevenson, Miami

Round 3:

-TE:

-L. Schoonmaker, Michigan
-B. Strange, Penn State

-WR:
-R. Rice, Southern Methodist

-OL:
-B. Freeland, BYU
-T. Steen, Alabama

-iDL:
-J. Roy, LSU
-M. Ojomo, Texas

-ED:
-I. McGuire, Missouri
-K. Henry, Clemson

-CB:
-T. Smith, Minnesota

-SAF:
-J. Battle, Alabama

-DB:
-R. Moss, Iowa
-J. Martin, Illinois

Day 3:

-QB:

-C. Tune, Houston
-D. Thompson-Robinson, UCLA

-RB:
-E. Hull, Northwestern
-R. Johnson, Texas

-TE:
-J. Whyle, Cincinnati
-N. Gindorff, North Dakota State
-P. Durham, Purdue

-WR:
-M. Landers, Arkansas
-C. Jones, Purdue
-E. Higgins, Stanford

-OL:
-B. Daniels, Utah
-J. Ojukwu, Boise State
-J. Gaines, UCLA

-iDL:
-Z. Pickens, South Carolina
-B. Young, Alabama
-D. Stills, West Virginia

-ED:
-L. Phelps, Kansas
-Y. Diaby, Louisville
-J. Ramirez, Eastern Michigan

-LB:
-Y. Abdullah, Louisbille
-O. Pappoe, Auburn
-A. Orji, Vanderbilt

-CB:
-J. Bennett, Maryland

-SAF:
-J. Taylor, Oklahoma State
-A. Johnson, Iowa State
-D. Scott, Cal
-J. Howden, Minnesota

-DB:
-M. Gardner, LSU
-J. Johnson, Texas AM

Here are some different ideas based on these clusters:

WR:

1.15: J. Smith-Njigba, WR, OSU
2.45: S. LaPorta, TE, IA
3.78: I. McGuire, ED, MIZZ
4.116: J. Taylor, S, OKST

OL:

1.15: D. Wright, OT, TENN
2.45: T. Kraft, TE, SDSU
3.78: J. Battle, S, UA
4.116: E. Higgins, WR, STAN

ED:

1.15: N. Smith, ED, UGA
2.45: C. Mauch, OL, NDSU
3.78: L. Schoonmaker, TE, MICH
4.116: Z. Pickens, iDL, SC

Trade Down:

1.29: D. Washington, TE, UGA
2.40: M. Bergeron, OL, SYR
2.45: I. Foskey, ED, ND
3.78: R. Rice, WR, SMU
4.116: A. Johnson, IAST
 

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Curious as to why you don't have the TCU w/o? Nobody seems to value him highly.
 
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Curious as to why you don't have the TCU w/o? Nobody seems to value him highly.

He's in the "Trade Up/Down" category.

I haven't seen enough to be dogmatic. But I am conflicted. He's clearly a very good athlete-- his movement after the catch is really unique. But the BIG12 does not produce many good receivers outside of Oklahoma. The style of offense/defense in that league doesn't lend itself to WR development.

Just look at the track record from day 1/2 (this goes back to 2011):

-Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
-Ceedee Lamb, Oklahoma
-Jalen Reagor, TCU
-Denzel Mims, Baylor
-Devin Duvernay, Texas
-Hollywood Brown, Oklahoma
-Jalen Hurd, Baylor
-James Washington, Ok. State
-Josh Doctson, TCU
-Corey Coleman, Baylor
-Kevin White, West Virginia
-Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
-Tavon Austin, West Virginia
-Terrance Williams, Baylor
-Marquise Goodwin, Texas
-Stedman Bailey, West Virginia
-Josh Gordon, Baylor
-Justin Blackmon, Ok. State
-Kendall Wright, Baylor
-Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma

So you have the guys who played for Lincoln Riley (Lamb, Brown) and otherwise you have 18 players and the best results are:

Tyler Lockett
Josh Gordon
Terrance Williams
Marquise Goodwin

So basically taking BIG12 WR's in the top 100 has been a really low value proposition.
 

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He's in the "Trade Up/Down" category.

I haven't seen enough to be dogmatic. But I am conflicted. He's clearly a very good athlete-- his movement after the catch is really unique. But the BIG12 does not produce many good receivers outside of Oklahoma. The style of offense/defense in that league doesn't lend itself to WR development.

Just look at the track record from day 1/2 (this goes back to 2011):

-Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
-Ceedee Lamb, Oklahoma
-Jalen Reagor, TCU
-Denzel Mims, Baylor
-Devin Duvernay, Texas
-Hollywood Brown, Oklahoma
-Jalen Hurd, Baylor
-James Washington, Ok. State
-Josh Doctson, TCU
-Corey Coleman, Baylor
-Kevin White, West Virginia
-Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
-Tavon Austin, West Virginia
-Terrance Williams, Baylor
-Marquise Goodwin, Texas
-Stedman Bailey, West Virginia
-Josh Gordon, Baylor
-Justin Blackmon, Ok. State
-Kendall Wright, Baylor
-Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma

So you have the guys who played for Lincoln Riley (Lamb, Brown) and otherwise you have 18 players and the best results are:

Tyler Lockett
Josh Gordon
Terrance Williams
Marquise Goodwin

So basically taking BIG12 WR's in the top 100 has been a really low value proposition.

That is the BIGGEST trend which makes me so hesitant on one of my absolute favorite WRs in this entire draft - Xavier Hutchinson.
 

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Here are some different ideas based on these clusters:

WR:

1.15: J. Smith-Njigba, WR, OSU
2.45: S. LaPorta, TE, IA
3.78: I. McGuire, ED, MIZZ
4.116: J. Taylor, S, OKST

OL:

1.15: D. Wright, OT, TENN
2.45: T. Kraft, TE, SDSU
3.78: J. Battle, S, UA
4.116: E. Higgins, WR, STAN

ED:

1.15: N. Smith, ED, UGA
2.45: C. Mauch, OL, NDSU
3.78: L. Schoonmaker, TE, MICH
4.116: Z. Pickens, iDL, SC

Trade Down:

1.29: D. Washington, TE, UGA
2.40: M. Bergeron, OL, SYR
2.45: I. Foskey, ED, ND
3.78: R. Rice, WR, SMU
4.116: A. Johnson, IAST

I've always loved your clustering approach and have started doing it as part of my exercises as well - LOVE it.

Of those options I find it incredibly hard to dislike any of them...truly the only nitpick thing I'd have for any of them is I am not as high on Johnson out of IAST...but we're talking I don't have him in my top 150 and that's pick 116th...talk about splitting absolute hairs over either way an early day 3 guy.

If forced to pick one surprisingly I'm going to pick the Nolan Smith one. Gives us a special edge prospect unlike any we have, an instant IMO start on the inside over Myers at center or at a guard position freeing up potentially Tom to play the other or even push Yosh out of RT spot. It also adds a very PACKER type TE in Schoonmaker a guy that is fully comfortable blocking yet is very athletic and surehanded IMO. Toss in Pickens in the fourth and that is just a massive blessing of reinforcement to our iDL room losing Lowry and Reed and is the perfect type too...instantly will fight TJ and Ford for that #3 depth spot.

*The D Wright one would get my second preference...big fan of Battle in the third and Higgins is a route artist.
 
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He's in the "Trade Up/Down" category.

I haven't seen enough to be dogmatic. But I am conflicted. He's clearly a very good athlete-- his movement after the catch is really unique. But the BIG12 does not produce many good receivers outside of Oklahoma. The style of offense/defense in that league doesn't lend itself to WR development.

Just look at the track record from day 1/2 (this goes back to 2011):

-Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
-Ceedee Lamb, Oklahoma
-Jalen Reagor, TCU
-Denzel Mims, Baylor
-Devin Duvernay, Texas
-Hollywood Brown, Oklahoma
-Jalen Hurd, Baylor
-James Washington, Ok. State
-Josh Doctson, TCU
-Corey Coleman, Baylor
-Kevin White, West Virginia
-Tyler Lockett, Kansas State
-Tavon Austin, West Virginia
-Terrance Williams, Baylor
-Marquise Goodwin, Texas
-Stedman Bailey, West Virginia
-Josh Gordon, Baylor
-Justin Blackmon, Ok. State
-Kendall Wright, Baylor
-Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma

So you have the guys who played for Lincoln Riley (Lamb, Brown) and otherwise you have 18 players and the best results are:

Tyler Lockett
Josh Gordon
Terrance Williams
Marquise Goodwin

So basically taking BIG12 WR's in the top 100 has been a really low value proposition.
Interesting. I never considered the Conference vs Position argument but I can see that. Id definitely add successful group for CeeDee Lamb:
1,359 9 TD’s etc. but it’s true, overall not a high degree of success for that early draft grouping

Round 2:

-WR:

-J. Mingo, Mississippi
-C. Tillman, Tennessee
-A. Perry, Wake Forest
I Really like Mingo, so I’m asking this from curiosity and not to trap you. Mingo is one of my top 20 guys as far as a value for where’s I’m seeing him universally projected. (I’ve been using interactive Mocks in that 4-5th Round range). For you, What is it that makes him a deal in Round 2? He’s the only one that appeared to me anyway, as jumping out off the page to expectation. I’m curious if I need to lift him on my own Mocks.

I’m seeing comparisons to Deeboe elsewhere, is he that good? Thanks
 
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Interesting. I never considered the Conference vs Position argument but I can see that. Id definitely add successful group for CeeDee Lamb:
1,359 9 TD’s etc. but it’s true, overall not a high degree of success for that early draft grouping


I Really like Mingo, so I’m asking this from curiosity and not to trap you. Mingo is one of my top 20 guys as far as a value for where’s I’m seeing him universally projected. (I’ve been using interactive Mocks in that 4-5th Round range). For you, What is it that makes him a deal in Round 2? He’s the only one that appeared to me anyway, as jumping out nowhere I expected. so I’m curious if I need to lift him on my own Mocks.

I’m seeing comparisons to Deeboe elsewhere, is he that good? Thanks

Yes, Lamb is very good. That's what I was meaning when I said that the guys who have played for Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma have been successful. Otherwise, it's been bleak.

On Mingo, I'll say this:

1) I don't know where he will go. If I've learned anything following the draft closely for 15 years, it's that I shouldn't be dogmatic about where guys ought to be projected.

2) I think that PFF's mock simulator is having a majorly outsized impact on where the public thinks players will go. Their tool is super fun, but so many people are using it that I think it's having too strong an influence.

3) "Elite athlete" is way overused in draft season. But Mingo really is one. His RAS is 9.97, which means that .03% of WR's have tested better as far back as the data goes. He's productive-- he had 15/290/3 in three games before getting hurt in 2021. Last year he had 51/861/5 with really bad QB play. He's versatile: 62% out wide, 38% in the slot. He has ball skills to threaten down the field and he has the toughness to secure contested catches. He's a YAC threat AND a solid route runner. And he is a committed run blocker.

When I put all that together, that's a top 40 player. I have no idea why he's being projected so late. My guess is that the media types will get wind that they're way too low on him compared to NFL teams, will label him a "riser," and move him way up. But mocking him to GB on day 3 feels very unrealistic.
 
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I've always loved your clustering approach and have started doing it as part of my exercises as well - LOVE it.

Of those options I find it incredibly hard to dislike any of them...truly the only nitpick thing I'd have for any of them is I am not as high on Johnson out of IAST...but we're talking I don't have him in my top 150 and that's pick 116th...talk about splitting absolute hairs over either way an early day 3 guy.

If forced to pick one surprisingly I'm going to pick the Nolan Smith one. Gives us a special edge prospect unlike any we have, an instant IMO start on the inside over Myers at center or at a guard position freeing up potentially Tom to play the other or even push Yosh out of RT spot. It also adds a very PACKER type TE in Schoonmaker a guy that is fully comfortable blocking yet is very athletic and surehanded IMO. Toss in Pickens in the fourth and that is just a massive blessing of reinforcement to our iDL room losing Lowry and Reed and is the perfect type too...instantly will fight TJ and Ford for that #3 depth spot.

*The D Wright one would get my second preference...big fan of Battle in the third and Higgins is a route artist.

Yeah, I often don't feel super comfortable projecting draft slot at the top of the draft. When it comes to day 3, it's just guessing.

I really hope that they don't reach for a safety early. If anything, just take a corner with some safety projectability.
 

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Yes, Lamb is very good. That's what I was meaning when I said that the guys who have played for Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma have been successful. Otherwise, it's been bleak.

On Mingo, I'll say this:

1) I don't know where he will go. If I've learned anything following the draft closely for 15 years, it's that I shouldn't be dogmatic about where guys ought to be projected.

2) I think that PFF's mock simulator is having a majorly outsized impact on where the public thinks players will go. Their tool is super fun, but so many people are using it that I think it's having too strong an influence.

3) "Elite athlete" is way overused in draft season. But Mingo really is one. His RAS is 9.97, which means that .03% of WR's have tested better as far back as the data goes. He's productive-- he had 15/290/3 in three games before getting hurt in 2021. Last year he had 51/861/5 with really bad QB play. He's versatile: 62% out wide, 38% in the slot. He has ball skills to threaten down the field and he has the toughness to secure contested catches. He's a YAC threat AND a solid route runner. And he is a committed run blocker.

When I put all that together, that's a top 40 player. I have no idea why he's being projected so late. My guess is that the media types will get wind that they're way too low on him compared to NFL teams, will label him a "riser," and move him way up. But mocking him to GB on day 3 feels very unrealistic.

I think your #2 cannot be stressed enough...PFF is controlling vastly too many. Mingo is just one example. A guy like Bryce Ford-Wheaton doesn't do as well, yet in a very limited system was very productive...tested through the roof and when asked to deliver has.
 

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Yeah, I often don't feel super comfortable projecting draft slot at the top of the draft. When it comes to day 3, it's just guessing.

I really hope that they don't reach for a safety early. If anything, just take a corner with some safety projectability.

I keep thinking Julius Brents could be a perfect pick for this....but I fear that young man is going to take a first or second. IMO he is a top 50 guy.
 

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Mingo is a great example at the WR position where I think PFF is crazy with their rankings and people gotta stop blindly following it....

Blake Freeland - starting LT in a big conference continually facing elite rushers and was solid, measurables are all there and showed out at elite level moments. There isn't anything really that doesn't say 2nd round worst case...yet they have him ranked outside of the top 100 even. Strongly disagree...honestly I'm more a fan of him than Dawand Jones (I know that is a strong opinion comparison but is what it is...I'll take a guy that fits all the indicators of success than one that is such a special outlier but still an outlier). You're talking about tackle prospect that had a 91.00 PFF grade in 2022...for reference that is better than Skoronski, Paris Johnson, Anton Harrison, Broderick Jones, Dawand Jones...Bergeron, Wright, Duncan.....Cody Mauch is likely the highest "rated" Tackle prospect with a better grade.....and only one of all those names I just listed has had a 90+ rated year in the past three and that was actually Broderick Jones also in 2020.

John Ojukwu - again a LT with everything you could want just like Freeland with the only exception being his conference didn't allow him the game to game level of defense he was facing. However, I mean you're talking about a starting LT logging just shy of 1800 snaps in just the last two seasons for Boise State (over 3500 in his college time)....a 6'6' and 34 inch arm frame with mittens almost 11 inches - you type in what you want from a LT prospect this man is it honestly. PFF has him essentially as a possible UDFA....personally speaking this man is closer to a Day 2 prospect for me than that...strongly believe PFF is drunk on his ranking.

McClendon Curtis - I'll just stay in the LT to illustrate my thoughts...another guy they have ranked past 200 at #219 that I personally have a 3rd round grade on just like Ojukwu. I understand this one touch more as small school guys - he's from Chattanooga - are much more difficult to rank and figure out where they fall. However, Curtis could be the most physical specimen outside of Dawand for me. This man checked in at 6056, but had the second longest arms at 35 inches and 84 inch wingspan. I am higher on him than I bet you are Dantes as he doesn't quite hit what many say is that threshold of indication of 8.000 I think it was for Tackles but he didn't measure a bad athlete at 7.66.

Andre Carter -
Example of the other way...his 2021 outlier/atypical year inflated vastly too much his stock IMO. He tested absolutely autrociously which further strengthens my thoughts of Day 3 type guy...yet they have him come in at #52. I wouldn't touch him till the 5th or so personally.

Tank Dell - Is another for me at least....this young man is SPECIAL but such an outlier I'm not risking it honestly unless I have a luxury of four or five Day 1 and Day 2 picks. For every Tyreek Hill that exists....there has been ten failures at his size and stature. They have him a #43.
 
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Yes, Lamb is very good. That's what I was meaning when I said that the guys who have played for Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma have been successful. Otherwise, it's been bleak.

On Mingo, I'll say this:

1) I don't know where he will go. If I've learned anything following the draft closely for 15 years, it's that I shouldn't be dogmatic about where guys ought to be projected.

2) I think that PFF's mock simulator is having a majorly outsized impact on where the public thinks players will go. Their tool is super fun, but so many people are using it that I think it's having too strong an influence.

3) "Elite athlete" is way overused in draft season. But Mingo really is one. His RAS is 9.97, which means that .03% of WR's have tested better as far back as the data goes. He's productive-- he had 15/290/3 in three games before getting hurt in 2021. Last year he had 51/861/5 with really bad QB play. He's versatile: 62% out wide, 38% in the slot. He has ball skills to threaten down the field and he has the toughness to secure contested catches. He's a YAC threat AND a solid route runner. And he is a committed run blocker.

When I put all that together, that's a top 40 player. I have no idea why he's being projected so late. My guess is that the media types will get wind that they're way too low on him compared to NFL teams, will label him a "riser," and move him way up. But mocking him to GB on day 3 feels very unrealistic.
He looks like an ideal fit to support Love. Love is very adept and dropping off short passes with some good accuracy (as seen especially in College) YAC will be important to his early success and Jon Mingo is an ideal YAC threat. He has to be accounted for or if you rush 6 and he gets the ball he’s a total physical mismatch for DB’s. Low center of gravity, great burst and long speed and If you don’t use perfect form tackling ? He’ll smooth stiff arm and run you over.

He reminds me of Treylon Burks, albeit less production.
 
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He looks like an ideal fit to support Love. Love is very adept and dropping off short passes with some good accuracy (as seen especially in College) YAC will be important to his early success and Jon Mingo is an ideal YAC threat. He has to be accounted for or if you rush 6 and he gets the ball he’s a total physical mismatch for DB’s. Low center of gravity, great burst and long speed and If you don’t use perfect form tackling ? He’ll smooth stiff arm and run you over.

He reminds me of Treylon Burks, albeit less production.

Mingo is a more refined route runner than Burks still is IMO. Burks relies solely on his raw athleticism and scheme to make plays, Mingo can legit make things with his routes sometimes and he plays the ball better than Burks in the air IMO...although I get that player comp to a point for sure. I think he is a close comp to Lazard, but is more juice and twitch.
 
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He looks like an ideal fit to support Love. Love is very adept and dropping off short passes with some good accuracy (as seen especially in College) YAC will be important to his early success and Jon Mingo is an ideal YAC threat. He has to be accounted for or if you rush 6 and he gets the ball he’s a total physical mismatch for DB’s. Low center of gravity, great burst and long speed and If you don’t use perfect form tackling ? He’ll smooth stiff arm and run you over.

He reminds me of Treylon Burks, albeit less production.

He reminds me of A.J. Brown. I know that's high praise, but recall that Brown was drafted at #51.
 

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