Pat4DaPack
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Brett Favre is one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game of football. The things he did with the Packers are incredible and it would be a shame if his number isn't retired.
That'll be a good debateI wonder if the Vikings will retire Randy's number someday
Packer fans need to get over the "He was a Packer, said he would be a Packer for life" crap. That ended when the team traded him to the Jets. Vince was a Packer for life until he went to the Redskins. Can you imagine if he had lived another 10 years and had taken the Skins to 4-5 Super Bowls? The Packers would have been just a stop for him. Teams retire number for what players do on the field not off. If you want to hold someone to a higher standard than the standard has to higher than "Well he was suspected of doing so and so". That is not a higher standard, it's a lower one.We all know players and coaches talk to eachother to get info..
what people FAIL to understand through out all this is this.
He was a Packer, said he would be a Packer for life.
#1- Tells Detroit how to game plan on us (even if this isn't a huge deal to some, it is still relevant)
#2- Tells Peppers to BEAT THE PACKERS so they dont make the playoff game
some people believe that the Packers shouldnt honor him because of those two issues..
Packer fans need to get over the "He was a Packer, said he would be a Packer for life" crap. That ended when the team traded him to the Jets. Vince was a Packer for life until he went to the Redskins. Can you imagine if he had lived another 10 years and had taken the Skins to 4-5 Super Bowls? The Packers would have been just a stop for him. Teams retire number for what players do on the field not off. If you want to hold someone to a higher standard than the standard has to higher than "Well he was suspected of doing so and so". That is not a higher standard, it's a lower one.
Really? Gotta go with a Super Bowl slam. Guess I am just realistic enough to know that in today's NFL there is no such thing as a "player for life". It's a business. Has been for years. Being a Packer is no more "honorable" than being a "Texan". It's not like a majority of players have a choice were they play.I would ask how it feels to have a SB winner trade sides, but.....well you know
I'm realistic as well & of course I'm biast but I'd say b/c of the Packers history I'd rather be a Packer than any other team. Herb Adderly won a SB w/the Packers. Went to the Cowboys & won another SB. He then made a comment that he will not wear the Cowboys SB ring. In order for the Texans to have the right to play in the NFL they had to pay $700MILLION. I believe Curly paid about $250.00. The last part was just some added info.Really? Gotta go with a Super Bowl slam. Guess I am just realistic enough to know that in today's NFL there is no such thing as a "player for life". It's a business. Has been for years. Being a Packer is no more "honorable" than being a "Texan". It's not like a majority of players have a choice were they play.
I can see both sides of the issue and why they might not want to do it for a long time..Or I can see why they want to do it right away.
Just like when they traded him..I support their choice unless I really think it is stupid
I've already contacted your brother, father,etc. and explained that it would be a wonderful surprise if they bought you some great Favre memorabilia for your birthday (act surprised when you open the stuff, please). I think I let it slip to you last week that you're getting a Favre Fathead from me (Vikings variety).Sadly, in anyones life, one mistake can define you.
The Packers have already said they're going to retire Favre's # they just haven't said when.Too many slow script problems here....
Favre had many great moments during regular seasons.
Someone give me his greatest 5 games in the post-season.
Any buzzer-beaters?
Any games where he played better than the regular season?
We've seen him go the other way and play crappy, losing to bums like Culpepper and Vick, and lay eggs.
We've seen him become a chokey, interception machine in devastating losses to the Eagles, Giants, Saints... in the close Super Bowl loss he threw a bad interception, and then locked onto a covered Mark Chmura late to not come thrtu there as Eli and Brady and Montana always did.
We've seen him throw 6 Ints and 3 Pick-6's in a loss to the Rams, whom would later get upset by the Patriots.
I agree with the premise of this thread, and because I am usually sick of any talk of #4, I have avoided this thread til now (also, because the website keeps having some slow script problem, I usually have to exit).
After Ted Thompson and Aaron Rodgers are gone, then we can look at retiring #4. Until then, I'd love to see a kicker or punter wearing #4.
Can someone explain the point of not retiring a number but taking it out of use?
I've already contacted your brother, father,etc. and explained that it would be a wonderful surprise if they bought you some great Favre memorabilia for your birthday (act surprised when you open the stuff, please). I think I let it slip to you last week that you're getting a Favre Fathead from me (Vikings variety).
I've already contacted your brother, father,etc. and explained that it would be a wonderful surprise if they bought you some great Favre memorabilia for your birthday (act surprised when you open the stuff, please). I think I let it slip to you last week that you're getting a Favre Fathead from me (Vikings variety).
I can't speak for the org. but I personnally believe that part of the reason(not all)is for monetary purposes. Bretts not the first to turn his back on the Packers. Some of the absolute best Packers in the past of had problems off the field as well. Yet we retired their numbers that you've seen hanging up in Lambeau Field. Should we unretire them? Of course not!!! That would totally rediculous!!! Nobody's perfect and unless one of the 13,000+ owners of the Packers plans on giving the team a few hundred thousand dollars or a few million dollars to help them out I suggest the Packers do what they need to do to stay competitve. Hope your by a bathroom or trash can when you start puking.Why is it that people continue to define his mistakes by his off the field issues as opposed to his on the field ones? Now if we are going to separate them how do you define disrespecting the most storied franchise in NFL history? Is that on the field or off? It's not in the game but it's about the game.
I for one would be horribly disappointed to see his number up there. Sorry Fabre fans, he doesn't epitomize the franchise or it's ideals. We were fans while he battled his addiction and were fans when he threw interceptions to cost us championships. I stopped being a fan when he turned his back on all that we gave him, all the organization gave him to root for and coach other teams to beat the Packers. Seriously can't get how anybody can hope his number is retired.
I'd puke if the Packers did it for monetary reasons. It's still Lambeau Field and not Miracle Whip or Kotex field and I hope that it remains until I find my way to the other side of the playing field. No one player ever made a championship team and Brent had some really, really good teams and some unbelievable coaches to make it multiple. He didn't!
Its not a few months of ugly off-season. It was his attitude - what was in his heart. Benedict Arnold had a long and successful military career for America. Yet he is entirely defined by the last 2 weeks of his military career. The treachery. Is betraying your country the same as trying to stick it to your former team? Of course not. But it is a principle that reveals much. It was an absolute display of lack of respect for Packer fans and the Organization. Attempts to help to undermine the Packers is unforgivable. If you don't see it that way, fine. But understand, that is how I see it. I was here for the 1st Superbowl and the Packers are much bigger to me than Brett Favre - apparently Brett didn't feel that way.Favre was a great player for this franchise. For 16 seasons Favre was the face of the franchise, set almost every record at his position, and set most of the major NFL records while a Packer. He had ups and downs personally but was almost unanimously loved by every Packers fan. Yes he had an ugly breakup at the end, and it's clear that you still can't handle that, but you can't wash away the 16 years of success with a couple months of ugly off-season. That's pretty shallow.