What made you a Packers fan?

[Heyjoe4]

I remember BJ. I think he was on the UHF station. Ray Rayner was on WGN. Ray played a lot of characters in those days. And a few years earlier there was Kiddie-A-Go-Go with Pandora on the other UHF station.

I'm drawing a complete blank on BJ, and I think we are all around the same age. Did his broadcast originate in Milwaukee? If it was WGN back in the 60s we would not have access to it here in SE Wisconsin. Thanks milani.

 

[milani]

Yeah for some reason the best electronic devices are developed in Japan. This has been (mostly) true for decades.

Since about 1970.

 

[gopkrs]

Yeah for some reason the best electronic devices are developed in Japan. This has been (mostly) true for decades.

The transistor

 

[Heyjoe4]

The transistor

That was the start of it all.

That was followed by semiconductors, as far as generational changes in tech. Semis were developed largely outside of Japan. The USA is largely the leader in semis, especially Nvidia. But there is no one-country dominance given. the varieties of semi investments. Taiwan Semi is the only real supplier/builder of chips, especially GPUs. Gaming drove the initial wave, and that's been overtaken by AI. Same kind of chip, different business cases.

The USA also leads, arguably, in networking.

 

[PackerFanInMS]

Being from Central Mississippi my father was a huge Ole Miss fan, Archie Manning fan, and therefore a Saints fan. We live a little over 2 hours from New Orleans, so my first taste of football was the Saints. My father was a semi-season ticket holder(4 regular season and 1 preseason), and he'd take me and my brother to a game or so a year.

In 1982, the Saints traded Archie Manning to the Oilers, so 10 year old me was done with the Saints and have been ever since. I tried the Oilers, but I couldn't get into them. They were as bad as the Saints had been, and I wanted a winner like my friends who were Cowboys and Steelers fans. So, I jumped on the Raiders wagon.

What does any of this have to do with the Packers? Well, I need a NFC team, and my father seemed to hate all of them, but he respected the Packers. So, I started in on the Pack. They weren't bad from 82-85 with Lynn ****ey, James Lofton, John Jefferson, Paul Coffman, etc, but they weren't real great either. Of course it got real bad in the mid to later 80's then came Majik.

We didn't get to see the Packers much here in MS unless they were on Monday Night Football, which they hardly were in the mid-late 80's, or playing the Saints. Finally, in 1989, I got to watch more than a game or two because the Packers were finally a playoff contender. That combined of the drafting of Tony Bennett from Ole Miss in the first round of 1990 draft had me firmly hooked. I had just graduated from high school and bought me a Packers t-shirt for the first time. 1990 and 1991 were not good(can anyone say Anthony Dilwig?), but good times were a coming.

Even though most Packers fans probably weren't, I was fired up when the Pack gave up a first round pick for Brett Favre. I'd known about Favre and his rocket arm for a while. He was a senior in high school when I was a freshman. We didn't play his school, but I remembered his father coaching them and running the wing T. I remember as a Sophomore in high school when he went from 7th on the depth chart at USM to starting. I kept up and followed him through college(went to a game or two on an high school recruiting trip just to watch him). My father always said that kid is going to something special in the NFL.

I've seen the Packers play in New Orleans, and I plan to go again this year, but going to Lambeau is on my bucket list. To sum it up I've been a Packers fan for close to 40 years, brought my firstborn son home in baby Packers clothing, and people who haven't seen me in years always ask "I guess you are still a Packers fan?", which I reply "Go Pack Go!".

 

[milani]

Being from Central Mississippi my father was a huge Ole Miss fan, Archie Manning fan, and therefore a Saints fan. We live a little over 2 hours from New Orleans, so my first taste of football was the Saints. My father was a semi-season ticket holder(4 regular season and 1 preseason), and he'd take me and my brother to a game or so a year.

In 1982, the Saints traded Archie Manning to the Oilers, so 10 year old me was done with the Saints and have been ever since. I tried the Oilers, but I couldn't get into them. They were as bad as the Saints had been, and I wanted a winner like my friends who were Cowboys and Steelers fans. So, I jumped on the Raiders wagon.

What does any of this have to do with the Packers? Well, I need a NFC team, and my father seemed to hate all of them, but he respected the Packers. So, I started in on the Pack. They weren't bad from 82-85 with Lynn ****ey, James Lofton, John Jefferson, Paul Coffman, etc, but they weren't real great either. Of course it got real bad in the mid to later 80's then came Majik.

We didn't get to see the Packers much here in MS unless they were on Monday Night Football, which they hardly were in the mid-late 80's, or playing the Saints. Finally, in 1989, I got to watch more than a game or two because the Packers were finally a playoff contender. That combined of the drafting of Tony Bennett from Ole Miss in the first round of 1990 draft had me firmly hooked. I had just graduated from high school and bought me a Packers t-shirt for the first time. 1990 and 1991 were not good(can anyone say Anthony Dilwig?), but good times were a coming.

Even though most Packers fans probably weren't, I was fired up when the Pack gave up a first round pick for Brett Favre. I'd known about Favre and his rocket arm for a while. He was a senior in high school when I was a freshman. We didn't play his school, but I remembered his father coaching them and running the wing T. I remember as a Sophomore in high school when he went from 7th on the depth chart at USM to starting. I kept up and followed him through college(went to a game or two on an high school recruiting trip just to watch him). My father always said that kid is going to something special in the NFL.

I've seen the Packers play in New Orleans, and I plan to go again this year, but going to Lambeau is on my bucket list. To sum it up I've been a Packers fan for close to 40 years, brought my firstborn son home in baby Packers clothing, and people who haven't seen me in years always ask "I guess you are still a Packers fan?", which I reply "Go Pack Go!".

Poor Lynn spent most of his career on the operating table. But it was Holmgren who not only brought discipline back to the team, but also a positive team morale.

 

[rmontro]

Poor Lynn spent most of his career on the operating table. But it was Holmgren who not only brought discipline back to the team, but also a positive team morale.

I always wonder what would have happened if Holmgren had stayed. But he wasn't interested, and wanted to be GM.

 

[DoURant]

Being from Central Mississippi my father was a huge Ole Miss fan, Archie Manning fan, and therefore a Saints fan. We live a little over 2 hours from New Orleans, so my first taste of football was the Saints. My father was a semi-season ticket holder(4 regular season and 1 preseason), and he'd take me and my brother to a game or so a year.

In 1982, the Saints traded Archie Manning to the Oilers, so 10 year old me was done with the Saints and have been ever since. I tried the Oilers, but I couldn't get into them. They were as bad as the Saints had been, and I wanted a winner like my friends who were Cowboys and Steelers fans. So, I jumped on the Raiders wagon.

What does any of this have to do with the Packers? Well, I need a NFC team, and my father seemed to hate all of them, but he respected the Packers. So, I started in on the Pack. They weren't bad from 82-85 with Lynn ****ey, James Lofton, John Jefferson, Paul Coffman, etc, but they weren't real great either. Of course it got real bad in the mid to later 80's then came Majik.

We didn't get to see the Packers much here in MS unless they were on Monday Night Football, which they hardly were in the mid-late 80's, or playing the Saints. Finally, in 1989, I got to watch more than a game or two because the Packers were finally a playoff contender. That combined of the drafting of Tony Bennett from Ole Miss in the first round of 1990 draft had me firmly hooked. I had just graduated from high school and bought me a Packers t-shirt for the first time. 1990 and 1991 were not good(can anyone say Anthony Dilwig?), but good times were a coming.

Even though most Packers fans probably weren't, I was fired up when the Pack gave up a first round pick for Brett Favre. I'd known about Favre and his rocket arm for a while. He was a senior in high school when I was a freshman. We didn't play his school, but I remembered his father coaching them and running the wing T. I remember as a Sophomore in high school when he went from 7th on the depth chart at USM to starting. I kept up and followed him through college(went to a game or two on an high school recruiting trip just to watch him). My father always said that kid is going to something special in the NFL.

I've seen the Packers play in New Orleans, and I plan to go again this year, but going to Lambeau is on my bucket list. To sum it up I've been a Packers fan for close to 40 years, brought my firstborn son home in baby Packers clothing, and people who haven't seen me in years always ask "I guess you are still a Packers fan?", which I reply "Go Pack Go!".

I lived for 3 months in Biloxi, back in the fall of 1990, then moved back to Michigan, the last week of November that year. Welcome to the Forum.

 

[milani]

I always wonder what would have happened if Holmgren had stayed. But he wasn't interested, and wanted to be GM.

I am sure he would have produced a better record for the 1999 team under Rhodes. But I am not so sure he would have been any different as a GM than Sherman. However, he would have demanded more from the defensive side of the ball. Holmgren had the 3 tough losses to a great Dallas team in the playoffs. And he lost those 2 heartbreakers to Denver and Frisco. He did well in Seattle.
I wonder how Holmgren would have done coaching us in the 2002,2003, and 2004 playoffs.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Being from Central Mississippi my father was a huge Ole Miss fan, Archie Manning fan, and therefore a Saints fan. We live a little over 2 hours from New Orleans, so my first taste of football was the Saints. My father was a semi-season ticket holder(4 regular season and 1 preseason), and he'd take me and my brother to a game or so a year.

In 1982, the Saints traded Archie Manning to the Oilers, so 10 year old me was done with the Saints and have been ever since. I tried the Oilers, but I couldn't get into them. They were as bad as the Saints had been, and I wanted a winner like my friends who were Cowboys and Steelers fans. So, I jumped on the Raiders wagon.

What does any of this have to do with the Packers? Well, I need a NFC team, and my father seemed to hate all of them, but he respected the Packers. So, I started in on the Pack. They weren't bad from 82-85 with Lynn ****ey, James Lofton, John Jefferson, Paul Coffman, etc, but they weren't real great either. Of course it got real bad in the mid to later 80's then came Majik.

We didn't get to see the Packers much here in MS unless they were on Monday Night Football, which they hardly were in the mid-late 80's, or playing the Saints. Finally, in 1989, I got to watch more than a game or two because the Packers were finally a playoff contender. That combined of the drafting of Tony Bennett from Ole Miss in the first round of 1990 draft had me firmly hooked. I had just graduated from high school and bought me a Packers t-shirt for the first time. 1990 and 1991 were not good(can anyone say Anthony Dilwig?), but good times were a coming.

Even though most Packers fans probably weren't, I was fired up when the Pack gave up a first round pick for Brett Favre. I'd known about Favre and his rocket arm for a while. He was a senior in high school when I was a freshman. We didn't play his school, but I remembered his father coaching them and running the wing T. I remember as a Sophomore in high school when he went from 7th on the depth chart at USM to starting. I kept up and followed him through college(went to a game or two on an high school recruiting trip just to watch him). My father always said that kid is going to something special in the NFL.

I've seen the Packers play in New Orleans, and I plan to go again this year, but going to Lambeau is on my bucket list. To sum it up I've been a Packers fan for close to 40 years, brought my firstborn son home in baby Packers clothing, and people who haven't seen me in years always ask "I guess you are still a Packers fan?", which I reply "Go Pack Go!".

Great story PF in MS! Happy to have you on board the Packers' fan train.

 

[Heyjoe4]

I am sure he would have produced a better record for the 1999 team under Rhodes. But I am not so sure he would have been any different as a GM than Sherman. However, he would have demanded more from the defensive side of the ball. Holmgren had the 3 tough losses to a great Dallas team in the playoffs. And he lost those 2 heartbreakers to Denver and Frisco. He did well in Seattle.
I wonder how Holmgren would have done coaching us in the 2002,2003, and 2004 playoffs.

Interesting thought experiment. The story reminds me how much I dislike the HC and the GM being one person. Both are very difficult jobs, and doing both usually means neither will be done well.

 

[Heyjoe4]

Poor Lynn spent most of his career on the operating table. But it was Holmgren who not only brought discipline back to the team, but also a positive team morale.

I remember Lynn D as a very good QB for the Packers. I don't recall his injury history, so thanks for the intel.

I do agree that with Wolf and Holmgren, the Packers became a disciplined team. That was the thing the team had lacked since the second SB win - a disciplinarian at both GM, and especially at HC. Starr was truly a bad head coach, but a legend and terrific person. That's why he spent 9 years as HC. It was a very forgettable part of an otherwise brilliant career. RIP Bart.

 

[milani]

Interesting thought experiment. The story reminds me how much I dislike the HC and the GM being one person. Both are very difficult jobs, and doing both usually means neither will be done well.

Especially in the modern day. You picture Halas, coach, GM, AND owner. Not even Jerry Jones does that. But even back then I believe it actually hurt both Halas and Lombardi, particularly in the days of smaller rosters. Halas, although he won a championship in 1963, he always had QB and OL issues.
Lombardi missed the scouting of Jack Vainisi who died in 1960. Vince could have used him. The suspension of Hornung in 1963 did not appear to be a big deal since the Packers finished 11-2-1 that year. But the ensuing season of 1964 saw the absence of Jerry Kramer, due to a strange critical infection, who had assumed the place kicking duties in late 1962 for Hornung. Vince put Hornung back as a kicker and he had a horrific season going 12-39 on FGs and missed 2 PATS ( from 10 yards! ). It cost the Packers the conference when you analyze the games we lost that season. Had Vince had a GM or a Vainisi the team may have addressed its kicking needs before Don Chandler arrived in 1965.

Interesting thought experiment. The story reminds me how much I dislike the HC and the GM being one person. Both are very difficult jobs, and doing both usually means neither will be done well.

 

[jetfixer]

Being from Central Mississippi my father was a huge Ole Miss fan, Archie Manning fan, and therefore a Saints fan. We live a little over 2 hours from New Orleans, so my first taste of football was the Saints. My father was a semi-season ticket holder(4 regular season and 1 preseason), and he'd take me and my brother to a game or so a year.

In 1982, the Saints traded Archie Manning to the Oilers, so 10 year old me was done with the Saints and have been ever since. I tried the Oilers, but I couldn't get into them. They were as bad as the Saints had been, and I wanted a winner like my friends who were Cowboys and Steelers fans. So, I jumped on the Raiders wagon.

What does any of this have to do with the Packers? Well, I need a NFC team, and my father seemed to hate all of them, but he respected the Packers. So, I started in on the Pack. They weren't bad from 82-85 with Lynn ****ey, James Lofton, John Jefferson, Paul Coffman, etc, but they weren't real great either. Of course it got real bad in the mid to later 80's then came Majik.

We didn't get to see the Packers much here in MS unless they were on Monday Night Football, which they hardly were in the mid-late 80's, or playing the Saints. Finally, in 1989, I got to watch more than a game or two because the Packers were finally a playoff contender. That combined of the drafting of Tony Bennett from Ole Miss in the first round of 1990 draft had me firmly hooked. I had just graduated from high school and bought me a Packers t-shirt for the first time. 1990 and 1991 were not good(can anyone say Anthony Dilwig?), but good times were a coming.

Even though most Packers fans probably weren't, I was fired up when the Pack gave up a first round pick for Brett Favre. I'd known about Favre and his rocket arm for a while. He was a senior in high school when I was a freshman. We didn't play his school, but I remembered his father coaching them and running the wing T. I remember as a Sophomore in high school when he went from 7th on the depth chart at USM to starting. I kept up and followed him through college(went to a game or two on an high school recruiting trip just to watch him). My father always said that kid is going to something special in the NFL.

I've seen the Packers play in New Orleans, and I plan to go again this year, but going to Lambeau is on my bucket list. To sum it up I've been a Packers fan for close to 40 years, brought my firstborn son home in baby Packers clothing, and people who haven't seen me in years always ask "I guess you are still a Packers fan?", which I reply "Go Pack Go!".

A lady that works at a vet in E. Tx. I go to had an Ole Miss shirt on one day, and me being from Memphis know many fans plus my older brother lives close to Oxford, anyway I ask her about her connection and she was from Drew Ms. and grew up with Archie.

 

[Heyjoe4]

A lady that works at a vet in E. Tx. I go to had an Ole Miss shirt on one day, and me being from Memphis know many fans plus my older brother lives close to Oxford, anyway I ask her about her connection and she was from Drew Ms. and grew up with Archie.

Very cool jet. You are one degree of separation from Archie Manning, And everyone else on this forum who reads this is now two degrees.