What made you a Packers fan?

Voyageur

Cheesehead
Joined
Nov 10, 2021
Messages
4,194
Reaction score
3,833
Brett Favre as really now like him more over as my dad, who is not a sports fan by any and all means, has Parkinson's like Brett does. It is really horrific. Praying for him and his family.
I have tremors. They call them ET. Essential Tremors. They're when I'm resting. They're involuntary but I can control them. As an example, when I'm typing on my keyboard, I press the heels of my palms down on my keyboard to avoid double and triple tapping a letter. I only print in capital letters now because the small letters are too difficult to do with PD. I can empathize with anyone who has Parkinson's but not totally grasp the mental and emotional situation they go through.

I was told that smoking marijuana was a way to control my tremors, but I won't smoke anything or be around smoke because I have COPD. It's difficult enough breathing. I have no idea if gummies would help but living in Texas, they think everything is illegal unless it deals with having mistresses and bilking people out of money to pad the pockets of the ultra-wealthy.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
3,818
It's not so much about self-promotion as it is about pride... having some significant accomplishment in which to take pride, to feel as though the team that represents you and that you've chosen to support, has done something that everyone recognizes them for. Something unique... something that every time it is mentioned, every football fan who hears it immediately understands who they're talking about.

Sorta like "41-0", or "0-4", except in a positive way.
When it comes to world championships, the Packers are to football what the Yanks are to baseball.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
3,818
I have tremors. They call them ET. Essential Tremors. They're when I'm resting. They're involuntary but I can control them. As an example, when I'm typing on my keyboard, I press the heels of my palms down on my keyboard to avoid double and triple tapping a letter. I only print in capital letters now because the small letters are too difficult to do with PD. I can empathize with anyone who has Parkinson's but not totally grasp the mental and emotional situation they go through.

I was told that smoking marijuana was a way to control my tremors, but I won't smoke anything or be around smoke because I have COPD. It's difficult enough breathing. I have no idea if gummies would help but living in Texas, they think everything is illegal unless it deals with having mistresses and bilking people out of money to pad the pockets of the ultra-wealthy.
Sorry to hear this V. Sounds like youre dealing with PD well.

My brother got early-age PD at 49. He passed at age 66. Somehow, he handled it well in spite of many spinal fusions caused by the body tremors. It seems PD takes a different toll on different people.

As for the cause - well it wasn't genetic. He was stationed in Cubic Bay during Vietnam, where they stored Agent Orange. Pretty sure exposure to that chemical, even a little exposure, brought on his early PD.

Be well, friend.
 

Zad Fnark

Cheesehead
Joined
Oct 17, 2019
Messages
80
Reaction score
40
Location
Neenah
I saw this old chestnut posted on another forum:

You must be logged in to see this image or video!

That brought back a bunch of names I had long forgotten. I actually worked with Eddie Garcia. I didn't at the time remember that he was the Packers' kicker. If I was an early teenager, I would have recognized his name in an instant. I would chat with him now and then and he was a very decent guy. He had retired about 3 years ago. We were all sad to see he had passed away last year.
 

milani

Cheesehead
Joined
Jun 11, 2012
Messages
7,666
Reaction score
3,569
Sorry to hear this V. Sounds like youre dealing with PD well.

My brother got early-age PD at 49. He passed at age 66. Somehow, he handled it well in spite of many spinal fusions caused by the body tremors. It seems PD takes a different toll on different people.

As for the cause - well it wasn't genetic. He was stationed in Cubic Bay during Vietnam, where they stored Agent Orange. Pretty sure exposure to that chemical, even a little exposure, brought on his early PD.

Be well, friend.
Agent Orange did a lot of damage...decades later.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
3,818
Honestly, what kind of moral human beings are we that we invent and use this ****? Who runs this **** show?
All they cared about in the 60s and 70s was if this garbage would kill the leaves on trees. It did, and killed a lot more.
 

gopkrs

Cheesehead
Joined
May 12, 2014
Messages
7,372
Reaction score
2,471
For my money we got the same kind of people running things. I actually don't want these *** holes making me safe. We can do that without all the head games.
 

milani

Cheesehead
Joined
Jun 11, 2012
Messages
7,666
Reaction score
3,569
Just awful stuff. And OSHA wasn't involved, maybe didn't even exist then. Tragic, what it did to the soldiers and others in that lousy "war".
Ar the time I believe OSHA had not even come into existence yet when the War was at its peak. And even if they had do you think they would dare challenge both the Johnson and Nixon administrations in those days? They were more concerned about destroying the enemy than the effects on our own soldiers.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
3,818
Ar the time I believe OSHA had not even come into existence yet when the War was at its peak. And even if they had do you think they would dare challenge both the Johnson and Nixon administrations in those days? They were more concerned about destroying the enemy than the effects on our own soldiers.
Agreed milani. I don't think OSHA was around, and to your point, nothing was going to interfere with the "war" Johnson escalated. I think Nixon was the one who ended it, finally, in the early 1970s - one of the things he got right.

But Agent Orange never should have been used - just using common sense. It defoliated trees, killed the leaves, and obviously was still present when soldiers and native Vietnamese were there, when it eas sprayed and after - so they were exposed to it.

I wonder how many service men and women who manage to make it back from that hellhole were affected? The government certainly won't offer anything. Post-9/11 - police, firemen, and others present that horrible day (who then suffered from cancer and other ailments) were only reluctantly helped by the government. No good deed goes unpunished.

Well, I'm way off topic here..... My apologies.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
3,818
For my money we got the same kind of people running things. I actually don't want these *** holes making me safe. We can do that without all the head games.
Yep gopkrs, nothing much has changed. One of the jobs of government - federal, state, and local - is to keep its citizens safe. We can and need to look out for our own safety. (Well, except for the local police and firemen who do thankless work. Most of them are good people who do want to keep us safe.)
 

milani

Cheesehead
Joined
Jun 11, 2012
Messages
7,666
Reaction score
3,569
Agreed milani. I don't think OSHA was around, and to your point, nothing was going to interfere with the "war" Johnson escalated. I think Nixon was the one who ended it, finally, in the early 1970s - one of the things he got right.

But Agent Orange never should have been used - just using common sense. It defoliated trees, killed the leaves, and obviously was still present when soldiers and native Vietnamese were there, when it eas sprayed and after - so they were exposed to it.

I wonder how many service men and women who manage to make it back from that hellhole were affected? The government certainly won't offer anything. Post-9/11 - police, firemen, and others present that horrible day (who then suffered from cancer and other ailments) were only reluctantly helped by the government. No good deed goes unpunished.

Well, I'm way off topic here..... My apologies.
It was ugly. Worse than even the tear gas used in the earlier wars. Not to veer away from football too far but Nixon really did not end it right away. The symbolic but not actual peace was made in 1973 with the pullout in 1975 via Henry Kissenger. We left. Congress would not appropriate any more money for the Saigon government and the enemy just moved in and took over.
Nixon convinced the enemy to get to the table by bombing the hell out of Hanoi on Christmas of 1972. Many experts ask why he did not do that in 1969. Politics. He had just won a very close election and feared his approval numbers would sink. After winning reelection in a huge landslide in 1972 he knew he had the support to do just about anything in Vietnam.
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
3,818
It was ugly. Worse than even the tear gas used in the earlier wars. Not to veer away from football too far but Nixon really did not end it right away. The symbolic but not actual peace was made in 1973 with the pullout in 1975 via Henry Kissenger. We left. Congress would not appropriate any more money for the Saigon government and the enemy just moved in and took over.
Nixon convinced the enemy to get to the table by bombing the hell out of Hanoi on Christmas of 1972. Many experts ask why he did not do that in 1969. Politics. He had just won a very close election and feared his approval numbers would sink. After winning reelection in a huge landslide in 1972 he knew he had the support to do just about anything in Vietnam.
Good points about Vietnam history and Nixon's role.

And yeah now that I think back, Nixon had a lot of political capital (before the WG coverup brough him down). He won 49 of the 50 states in the election. His opponent, George McGovern, didn't even win in his home state (I think it was Minnesota or one of the Dakotas).
 

Heyjoe4

Cheesehead
Joined
Apr 30, 2018
Messages
9,836
Reaction score
3,818
i been a Packers fan since 1963, I been following them ever since, I was the first to follow them , now my sons and grandkids follow them also
Sounds like we're about the same age. Yeah the Beatles were hot and the Packers were winning championships. The 60s was a very interesting decade to be a teenager.
 

milani

Cheesehead
Joined
Jun 11, 2012
Messages
7,666
Reaction score
3,569
Good points about Vietnam history and Nixon's role.

And yeah now that I think back, Nixon had a lot of political capital (before the WG coverup brough him down). He won 49 of the 50 states in the election. His opponent, George McGovern, didn't even win in his home state (I think it was Minnesota or one of the Dakotas).
McGovern won the Senate seat, but lost the presidential bid in his home state. Go figure. I should not admit it but I actually voted for McGovern. That was the last time I ever voted for a Democrat. I guess we all change and evolve for whatever reason. But I never paid much attention into the political perspective, but more into the historical. Politics is generally boring.
 

Firethorn1001

Cheesehead
Joined
Dec 20, 2015
Messages
2,619
Reaction score
2,113
Been on the boards a bit, but not sure I ever answered this.

Was born in Wisconsin and held allegiance to all the WI teams because just thought that's what you were supposed to do. Even though my childhood years were 70s/80s and would have been easy to steer towards the Steelers/Cowboys.
 

Thirteen Below

Cheesehead
Joined
Jan 15, 2022
Messages
2,134
Reaction score
1,976
When it comes to world championships, the Packers are to football what the Yanks are to baseball.
Baseball has the Yankees, the NHL has the Canadiens, basketball has the Celtics, and the NFL has the Packers. And it will always be that way.
 

Thirteen Below

Cheesehead
Joined
Jan 15, 2022
Messages
2,134
Reaction score
1,976
Agreed milani. I don't think OSHA was around, and to your point, nothing was going to interfere with the "war" Johnson escalated. I think Nixon was the one who ended it, finally, in the early 1970s - one of the things he got right.

Yeah, he wasn't all bad. Aside from being a paranoid crook, he was actually quite progressive in many ways. He created OSHA, as you say, and the EPA (I think he signed the executive orders on the same day), and was the last Republican president to significantly improve women's rights, native American rights, and civil rights.

He fought for a national minimum income (basically a reverse income tax) to help poor people care for their families, and universal health care. He was unable to get either one of those through Congress, but he did succeed in establishing SSI, and under his leadership, funding for Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare more than doubled.

The irony of Nixon is that if he were running for president today, he would be far too liberal for even the Republican nomination.

And the tragedy of Richard Nixon is that he just had no clear ethical principles. He could have done so much to make our country far greater than it is now. He could have been a truly great president had he just not given in to his weakest nature.


I wonder how many service men and women who manage to make it back from that hellhole were affected? The government certainly won't offer anything. Post-9/11 - police, firemen, and others present that horrible day (who then suffered from cancer and other ailments) were only reluctantly helped by the government. No good deed goes unpunished.

I don't know how current this is, but I do recall doing an article about Agent Orange some years ago, and that time the generally accepted figures were roughly 300,000 dead American vets, 400,000 Vietnamese civilians, and between 150,000 and 250,000 birth defects in Vietnamese children. Birth defects in areas of Vietnam where usage was heavy are still higher than average.



Sounds like we're about the same age. Yeah the Beatles were hot and the Packers were winning championships. The 60s was a very interesting decade to be a teenager.
I wouldn't trade growing up in the 60s for any other period of time, and I wouldn't trade growing up in rural north central Wisconsin for any other childhood. I could not possibly have picked a better time or better place. My wife was born and raised in New York 20 years after I was born, and she's just mesmerized by my stories.

We had a very small horse farm at the east end of a mile long dirt road, named Haymeadow Lane. The nearest neighbors were the Woijciks, who lived a mile west at the corner of Haymeadow and the paved north-south road. The nearest neighbor to the north was the Firkus farm, a mile directly north of us on the far side of the southernmost piece of the Dewey Marsh, and there was a mile of undeveloped forest of second- and third-growth pine all the way to the east before you hit someone's back yard.

So I lived smack dab in the geographical center of a 4-square mile block of forest, marshlands, meadow, and scrub pines. On a summer day, when my parents were at work, I was the only human being for a mile in every direction. A four square mile of land with a population of one - for a population density of .25 humans per square mile (plus, of course, my dog, who honestly was one of the luckiest dogs in the history of dogs). I spent my entire day every single summer just prowling around the woods, hiking, exploring, riding my horse, studying plants, animals, birds, and geology, sitting on a bench reading a book (I sometimes took an axe and saw with me, and made benches out of small trees in especially cool spots. I had several of those in those 4 square miles).

And when my wife went through that same stretch of her life, she was living in Manhattan, with a population of almost 3,000,000 people in that same 4-square mile area. Every now and then, her parents would toss her into the back seat and trundle her off to Central Park, but at the same stage of my life, I was close to a mile from the nearest human being.

On average, the state of Alaska has roughly 6 times the population density as the 4-square miles around our house. Where is this even possible today? I really question where it could be possible, at least in Wisconsin. I still can hardly believe how fortunate I was.

And Amy? She can't even begin to comprehend it. Doesn't even know how or where to start unpacking that. Totally outside any frame of reference she can imagine. God, I was lucky... when I die, I almost don't care where I end up, because I've already lived in heaven.
 
Last edited:

milani

Cheesehead
Joined
Jun 11, 2012
Messages
7,666
Reaction score
3,569
Yeah, he wasn't all bad. Aside from being a paranoid crook, he was actually quite progressive in many ways. He created OSHA, as you say, and the EPA (I think he signed the executive orders on the same day), and was the last Republican president to significantly improve women's rights, native American rights, and civil rights.

He fought for a national minimum income (basically a reverse income tax) to help poor people care for their families, and universal health care. He was unable to get either one of those through Congress, but he did succeed in establishing SSI, and under his leadership, funding for Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare more than doubled.

The irony of Nixon is that if he were running for president today, he would be far too liberal for even the Republican nomination.

And the tragedy of Richard Nixon is that he just had no clear ethical principles. He could have done so much to make our country far greater than it is now. He could have been a truly great president had he just not given in to his weakest nature.




I don't know how current this is, but I do recall doing an article about Agent Orange some years ago, and that time the generally accepted figures were roughly 300,000 dead American vets, 400,000 Vietnamese civilians, and between 150,000 and 250,000 birth defects in Vietnamese children. Birth defects in areas of Vietnam where usage was heavy are still higher than average.




I wouldn't trade growing up in the 60s for any other period of time, and I wouldn't trade growing up in rural north central Wisconsin for any other childhood. I could not possibly have picked a better time or better place. My wife was born and raised in New York 20 years after I was born, and she's just mesmerized by my stories.

We had a very small horse farm at the east end of a mile long dirt road, named Haymeadow Lane. The nearest neighbors were the Woijciks, who lived a mile west at the corner of Haymeadow and the paved north-south road. The nearest neighbor to the north was the Firkus farm, a mile directly north of us on the far side of the southernmost piece of the Dewey Marsh, and there was a mile of undeveloped forest of second- and third-growth pine all the way to the east before you hit someone's back yard.

So I lived smack dab in the geographical center of a 4-square mile block of forest, marshlands, meadow, and scrub pines. On a summer day, when my parents were at work, I was the only human being for a mile in every direction. A four square mile of land with a population of one - for a population density of .25 humans per square mile (plus, of course, my dog, who honestly was one of the luckiest dogs in the history of dogs). I spent my entire day every single summer just prowling around the woods, hiking, exploring, riding my horse, studying plants, animals, birds, and geology, sitting on a bench reading a book (I sometimes took an axe and saw with me, and made benches out of small trees in especially cool spots. I had several of those in those 4 square miles).

And when my wife went through that same stretch of her life, she was living in Manhattan, with a population of almost 3,000,000 people in that same 4-square mile area. Every now and then, her parents would toss her into the back seat and trundle her off to Central Park, but at the same stage of my life, I was close to a mile from the nearest human being.

On average, the state of Alaska has roughly 6 times the population density as the 4-square miles around our house. Where is this even possible today? I really question where it could be possible, at least in Wisconsin. I still can hardly believe how fortunate I was.

And Amy? She can't even begin to comprehend it. Doesn't even know how or where to start unpacking that. Totally outside any frame of reference she can imagine. God, I was lucky... when I die, I almost don't care where I end up, because I've already lived in heaven.
Great stories to hear. I look at the Vietnam War as probably the worst event of the 20th century for America. Not that the cause was wrong but the methodology and ideology discarded the practicality. We were, as a whole, a wealthy nation trying to grow the middle class and raise the lower one. We had no trade deficit. We had very little national debt. All our resources were dumped into that war. The 56,000 killed there was just a drop in the bucket compared to the perpetual effects. What could have been done with all that wealth could have advanced life so much sooner to get to where we are today. Medicine, technology, and communications that we have today could have been with us 30 to 40 years ago. Imagine.
Nixon was a politician. He actually played football at Whitier. Not well. He liked the NFL. He was caught up too much in the game of politics. He also passed FIFRA, which helped begin the watch out on pesticides. History hangs by a thread. Think. Another 10,000 votes in just 2 states and he wins the 1960 election. That may have changed that whole decade and 1968 would not have been the same.
 

DoURant

Go Pack Go!
Joined
Mar 25, 2017
Messages
2,520
Reaction score
2,001
Location
Michigan
I wouldn't trade growing up in the 60s for any other period of time, and I wouldn't trade growing up in rural north central Wisconsin for any other childhood. I could not possibly have picked a better time or better place. My wife was born and raised in New York 20 years after I was born, and she's just mesmerized by my stories.

We had a very small horse farm at the east end of a mile long dirt road, named Haymeadow Lane. The nearest neighbors were the Woijciks, who lived a mile west at the corner of Haymeadow and the paved north-south road. The nearest neighbor to the north was the Firkus farm, a mile directly north of us on the far side of the southernmost piece of the Dewey Marsh, and there was a mile of undeveloped forest of second- and third-growth pine all the way to the east before you hit someone's back yard.

So I lived smack dab in the geographical center of a 4-square mile block of forest, marshlands, meadow, and scrub pines. On a summer day, when my parents were at work, I was the only human being for a mile in every direction. A four square mile of land with a population of one - for a population density of .25 humans per square mile (plus, of course, my dog, who honestly was one of the luckiest dogs in the history of dogs). I spent my entire day every single summer just prowling around the woods, hiking, exploring, riding my horse, studying plants, animals, birds, and geology, sitting on a bench reading a book (I sometimes took an axe and saw with me, and made benches out of small trees in especially cool spots. I had several of those in those 4 square miles).
I feel the same way, however, it's the U.P., and it was the 70's and 80's. We made our own fun and entertainment, came home at dark, had no boundaries as long as we didn't get into trouble. We made trails through woods and fields to give us easier access, on our bikes or walking, to our friends houses. We gathered anyone who wanted to play pick up games in all 4 major sports from ages 10-50... age didn't matter for us in a small town, we needed bodies more than anything. When I wasn't with my friends, I was pretty much living in the woods, with my dad, who was a Sportsman and Logger by profession (Fishing, hunting, trapping, working, etc). We were raised to be respectable individuals in our community, dependable, everyone looking out for each other, and knowing if you screwed up, your parents would find out. It was different times back then... I often think back to the simplicity of life from those days, and everytime I return to my hometown, those memories flood my mind even more, and feel blessed of my upbringing.
 
Top